Map Thread XVIII
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Yes, I realized this a bit later, I was just initially confused by the lack of his name being crossed out. I left my post unedited because the reason for the ban was more the user's general approach to the board than any single incident, so it's still possible for people to speculate which action was the straw that broke the camel's back. I get it, I'm also not surprised that this finally happened, it just seemed to be a bit gravedance-y is all.
Why do the Japanese have the Philippines?My "realistic" Axis victory scenario. For what it's worth. Map shows the situation of the world in 1948.
POD is a combination of "Moscow, not Kiev in 1941" and "Germans appeal to USSR nationalities instead of opressing them".
Europe:
German hegemony is now established firmly through the continent. Their destruction of France in 1940 was followed up by an invasion of the USSR a year later. It was enormously successful at first, obliterating the Red Army and rolling on to Moscow. A Russian National Government was established in Petrograd 1942, but this did not mark the end of the Soviet Union. It was not until 1943 that the the Germans were able to fully expel the Soviets from southern Russia. The Germans have never been able to actually destroy the Soviet army or the its government, since each time it is uprooted it retreats eastward. The current front line has remained more or less stable for five years now, punctuated by German campaigns (such as the as the partially successful Astrakhan Expedition of 1945) or Soviet raids.
Europe itself has settled under a stable status quo. German authority is not challenged anywhere, but Italy, Spain, and Turkey are major secondary powers in the the Axis and pursue a largely independent policy. Without the threat of the Soviet Union or a major Axis military campaign to give Berlin leverage, many European countries are attempting to forge their own spheres of influence. Franco's regime has been doing clandestine dealings with London for some time now.
Africa and the Middle East:
These are two of the last fronts of the war. The terrain and sheer size of East Africa and Iran are not conducive to large scale warfare, however, and the back-and-forth fighting here is not considered very important in the larger scheme of things.
Asia:
The Sino-Japanese war is still ongoing as of 1948, with the Chinese holding on in mountainous and remote regions. Japan's southern thrust in 1944-1946 captured huge amounts of land, but they have never been able to fully secure this area. A Chinese offensive in Innr Mongolia actually succeed in recaptured considerable amounts of territory. Meanwhile the Communists decided to relocate to Shantung after their home base in Shensi was briefly occupied by the Japanese.
Japan decided to invade the USSR in late 1941 after the stunning German victory in European Russia. This diverted resources from the planned attack on the western powers. In 1942 Japan reached a rapprochement of sorts with the US. The US debated intervention after Japan invaded SE Asia in 1944, but although the Allies have received enormous support from the US, it is still a neutral power.
I mean, they pretty much conquered it IOTL before MacArthur took it back
Isaac Beach
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Better -man made- drainage and a cooler climate by extending green bands further north using southern river systems, encouraging more rain (such as with seeding) and so making intermittent rivers more permanent. Those rivers do exist but usually only flow during especially rainy years. Nothing crazy.
And it’s an Oba because I made it in an hour and didn’t want to dig around for some obscure Chadic equivalent while doing my work.
Thanks! I appreciate the sentiment. It needs a lot of work but it’s a nice start.
The United Kingdom of Brazil and Portugal.
(Deviantart Link if you can't see it)
Hello! This is my submission to the current Map Contest. It depicts an imaginary poster for a post office in a world where the Union of Brazil and Portugal, something that actually happened for a few years, continued. Portugal colonized Africa very early IRL, but with the manpower from brazil, it managed to colonize most of the "pink" map and more before the British did. This did create some tensions after the berlin conference as britain wanted to link their territories in congo with south africa, and they proposed an international zone, but brazil-portugal refused, eventually they stroke a deal and brazil-portugal offered to give half its part of congo and recognize all of the british colonies, the UK didn't have a lot of choice especially after the second boer war, where they lost in this timeline. Brazil-portugal also accepted to join England in a potential war with germany, which as IRL happened, and they decided to partition the german colonies.
Thanks to immigration effort, by 1937 (the year in which this poster was made), more than 10 million Portugueses and Brazilians live in africa, accounting for a large minority (40%) of the territories. The african territories were awarded equal status as Portugal or Brazil in the 1920s as a reward for the fighting in ww1, despite this few black people are citizens and inequalities is still widespread.
Link to my deviantart Gallery if you want to see other maps
Link to the reddit thread with a bit more info
(Deviantart Link if you can't see it)
Hello! This is my submission to the current Map Contest. It depicts an imaginary poster for a post office in a world where the Union of Brazil and Portugal, something that actually happened for a few years, continued. Portugal colonized Africa very early IRL, but with the manpower from brazil, it managed to colonize most of the "pink" map and more before the British did. This did create some tensions after the berlin conference as britain wanted to link their territories in congo with south africa, and they proposed an international zone, but brazil-portugal refused, eventually they stroke a deal and brazil-portugal offered to give half its part of congo and recognize all of the british colonies, the UK didn't have a lot of choice especially after the second boer war, where they lost in this timeline. Brazil-portugal also accepted to join England in a potential war with germany, which as IRL happened, and they decided to partition the german colonies.
Thanks to immigration effort, by 1937 (the year in which this poster was made), more than 10 million Portugueses and Brazilians live in africa, accounting for a large minority (40%) of the territories. The african territories were awarded equal status as Portugal or Brazil in the 1920s as a reward for the fighting in ww1, despite this few black people are citizens and inequalities is still widespread.
Link to my deviantart Gallery if you want to see other maps
Link to the reddit thread with a bit more info
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I updated it with the deviantart picture and a link, can you see it?
Edit: i asked some other guys and they can see it, is it a problem on your end? The picture is quite large (8k*10k), maybe it doesn't load?
Augustine Sedira
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Inspired by the Aladdin achievement from CK2. Here a Chinese mercenary replaces what would go on to become the Tulunids and eventually a Chinese dynasty is formed in the region. Just a concept as of now.
1. Apologies for the big wall of text
2. apologies for the clearly asb nature of the scenario
Say hello to the Socialist Republic of the Swahili Peoples, a totally not fascist nation in east Africa founded in 1964.
The P.O.D. occurs immediately after Kenya's independence, where an offshoot of a Tanganyikan nationalist party (that is totally not being supported by the Tanganyikan government) launches a coup in the new nation, and shortly after taking control, proposes a political merger between the two nations Under the title of the Swahili Republic based on a shared cultural and linguistic heritage. Shortly after, the Peoples Republic of Zanzibar agreed (more than likely at gunpoint) to be annexed into the nation. Two years later in 1966, war broke out between Rwanda and Burundi with both sides accusing the other of committing crimes against humanity against each others peoples. Seeing an opportunity to incorporate Rwandas Swahili speaking minority and to expand in general, On the grounds of preventing acts of genocide from occurring, the Republic invaded the two nations. When the fighting was over, both nations ended up being directly annexed into the Republic. In a rush of euphoria, the Republic declared war on Somalia, with the intent of protecting (aka incorporating) the Swahili speaking minorities in Somalia's southern provinces.
The war proved financially damaging to the new nation, and while the war was ultimately won with the spoils being much greater than originally intended, the economy was left devastated. To compensate, the president ordered a complete government takeover of the nations industry. While this helped to stabilize the economy, the president realized that more would be necessary to make up for the losses. As such the government began sending people to various western nations to do research into various types of manufacturing and methods of locating and refining resources (specifically iron and oil) more effectively. By 1968, the methods learned, combined with a series of public works projects were able to revitalize the economy and earn the nation back almost three times as much as they had lost in the war with Somalia. Not only that, but the new manufacturing capabilities made the production of arms and military vehicles substantially more cost effective.
Immediately to the Republics west however Congo-Léopoldville still found itself facing great political instability, in particular the State of Katanga. The Republic saw an opportunity, and made an agreement to provide military aid to Katanga in exchange for uniting with the Republic. By 1969, the Crisis had clearly ended up swaying in favor of Katanga, and on August first of that year, the Congo was forced to accept the breakaway states independence. Almost immediately however, fighting broke out between Katanga and the republic, due to most Katangese believing that being annexed like that was an insult to those who died fighting for Katanga's independence in the first place. Malawi and Zambia, both home to Swahili minorities in their northern provinces declared war on the republic with the intent of halting its expansion. This would prove to be a fatal mistake however, as both nations found their armies outclassed by the Republics much larger and more advanced military. On January eleventh, 1970 Malawi and Zambia both accepted unconditional surrender, recognizing the republics control over Katanga and accepting the Swahilis annexation of large portions of non Swahili land.
With this, the President declared himself President for life, and officially renamed the country The Socialist Republic of the Swahili Peoples. Recently the President has turned his attention north to Uganda, the only major independent Swahili state left. However satellite footage has uncovered evidence of internment camps, which to many has validated claims from refugees that the Republic has been committing genocidal acts against the various non Swahili speaking tribes living throughout the nations. All this combined with their history of aggressive acts against its neighbors has turned the Socialist Republic of the Swahili Peoples into a pariah state forced to turn to other pariahs for allies.
2. apologies for the clearly asb nature of the scenario
Say hello to the Socialist Republic of the Swahili Peoples, a totally not fascist nation in east Africa founded in 1964.
The P.O.D. occurs immediately after Kenya's independence, where an offshoot of a Tanganyikan nationalist party (that is totally not being supported by the Tanganyikan government) launches a coup in the new nation, and shortly after taking control, proposes a political merger between the two nations Under the title of the Swahili Republic based on a shared cultural and linguistic heritage. Shortly after, the Peoples Republic of Zanzibar agreed (more than likely at gunpoint) to be annexed into the nation. Two years later in 1966, war broke out between Rwanda and Burundi with both sides accusing the other of committing crimes against humanity against each others peoples. Seeing an opportunity to incorporate Rwandas Swahili speaking minority and to expand in general, On the grounds of preventing acts of genocide from occurring, the Republic invaded the two nations. When the fighting was over, both nations ended up being directly annexed into the Republic. In a rush of euphoria, the Republic declared war on Somalia, with the intent of protecting (aka incorporating) the Swahili speaking minorities in Somalia's southern provinces.
The war proved financially damaging to the new nation, and while the war was ultimately won with the spoils being much greater than originally intended, the economy was left devastated. To compensate, the president ordered a complete government takeover of the nations industry. While this helped to stabilize the economy, the president realized that more would be necessary to make up for the losses. As such the government began sending people to various western nations to do research into various types of manufacturing and methods of locating and refining resources (specifically iron and oil) more effectively. By 1968, the methods learned, combined with a series of public works projects were able to revitalize the economy and earn the nation back almost three times as much as they had lost in the war with Somalia. Not only that, but the new manufacturing capabilities made the production of arms and military vehicles substantially more cost effective.
Immediately to the Republics west however Congo-Léopoldville still found itself facing great political instability, in particular the State of Katanga. The Republic saw an opportunity, and made an agreement to provide military aid to Katanga in exchange for uniting with the Republic. By 1969, the Crisis had clearly ended up swaying in favor of Katanga, and on August first of that year, the Congo was forced to accept the breakaway states independence. Almost immediately however, fighting broke out between Katanga and the republic, due to most Katangese believing that being annexed like that was an insult to those who died fighting for Katanga's independence in the first place. Malawi and Zambia, both home to Swahili minorities in their northern provinces declared war on the republic with the intent of halting its expansion. This would prove to be a fatal mistake however, as both nations found their armies outclassed by the Republics much larger and more advanced military. On January eleventh, 1970 Malawi and Zambia both accepted unconditional surrender, recognizing the republics control over Katanga and accepting the Swahilis annexation of large portions of non Swahili land.
With this, the President declared himself President for life, and officially renamed the country The Socialist Republic of the Swahili Peoples. Recently the President has turned his attention north to Uganda, the only major independent Swahili state left. However satellite footage has uncovered evidence of internment camps, which to many has validated claims from refugees that the Republic has been committing genocidal acts against the various non Swahili speaking tribes living throughout the nations. All this combined with their history of aggressive acts against its neighbors has turned the Socialist Republic of the Swahili Peoples into a pariah state forced to turn to other pariahs for allies.
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I'm still working on my Coptic Haesteinn Egypt. But alas, I'm still trying to get back into the game and trying to wrap my head around the Prepared Invasion mechanics (GIMME EGYPT DAMN YOU). Could and did overrun Nubia in a test save, but that's a piss poor place.
Very nice! I've always thought Brazil might have a good chance of directly assimilating parts of Portuguese Africa, given it's very large population and the fact that so much of its population has African ancestry to begin with.
Why is Nyasaland sitting there by itself?
Edit: "Very Nice" probably doesn't cover it. That's a first-rank map.
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Not mine, but interesting.
http://ideamia.co/fictional-states-...ssians-in-the-20th-century-part-ii-by-anatol/
http://ideamia.co/fictional-states-...ssians-in-the-20th-century-part-ii-by-anatol/
Pretty good find there, Bruce!
Great map! And it looks like Portugal got particularly lucky ITTL, though the Brits (despite failing to secure OTL Rhodesia/Zimbabwe) don't seem to be doing that bad either, as they appear to be holding firmly to their Empire.
Great map! And it looks like Portugal got particularly lucky ITTL, though the Brits (despite failing to secure OTL Rhodesia/Zimbabwe) don't seem to be doing that bad either, as they appear to be holding firmly to their Empire.
I’m sure I’ve seen this before in a thread, not sure if a Map thread N° “Z” but still that gives me the excuse to like it again. Still not enough likes though.
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