Map Thread XVIII
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Gian
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I'll compile a list when I start my ASB TL (This map is supposed to be what the world looks like immediately after the Event)
I recall a short AH story set in a similar setting, where a pagan Celtic *Elizabeth is looking for allies against a reviving Christian western Empire and pondering a change of religion (the story doesn't really focus on that, though, it's mostly about a couple con men taking advantage of the religious uncertainty by reviving the cult of Glycon )
Nice. It's been some time since I saw the anime, but I've always considered it a Britannian romanticization of their history--a claimed lineage much like 19th century romantic nationalism.
Augustine Sedira
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California began focusing on the construction of a great navy and thus seeked to maintain trade routes as well as dominating resources from Africa.
Seriously though, it would have been interesting. The Britons have tried to form their own independent empire since the Romans walked in, but like the Goths and the Franks centuries later, they couldn't avoid deep cultural influence.
This is just a personal opinion, so don't take it too seriously:
1) Studying History, I came to the conclusion that a deep, ancient and often neglected undercurrent exists in the cultural development of Europe, from the Bronze Age and possibly earlier to today. In practice, two European Cultures exist: the classical Greco-Roman that we study in School on the shores of the Mediterranean Sea, and the more ancient Celto-Norse culture on the Atlantic.
While often snobbishly considered "barbaric", this second culture was actually more advanced than its Classic counterpart, almost "modern" in its approach to issues that we are barely rediscovering today but that have influenced the British (and by extension American) culture for centuries.
2) the main difference is that this "barbaric" culture was honor-based, centered around the heroic figure of a "Defender of the Land": Cuculain in the Irish Myths, Sir Lancelot in the Middle Ages, until we come to the modern concept of the "Super-Hero". Notice that this defender of the land didn't have to be male: think Boudicca, Joan of Arc, Anne Bonny, Lara Croft (all Historic except Lara Croft).
In short, what we have is a gallant, "Knightly" culture, opposed to the "Picaresque" culture of the Med.
3) As far as I know there is only another Knightly culture outside of Europe: that of Japan (ironically). A non-romanized Briton Empire would have looked similar to feudal Japan: while they wouldn't have been Samurai in the strict sense, there would have been a warrior elite following an elaborate code of honor. If that helps, think of the British Islands as a sort of Japan (even with a shogun-like King Arthur) and the Roman Empire as an ersatz China.
4) Also consider that the Gauls, under Roman rule, were very similar to the Britons culturally, but more exposed to Roman Influence. The Battle between the Roman and Briton Empire would have had Gaul as the main battlefield. Think of it as the Hundred-Years War lasting a Thousand Years.
Is that enough for a timeline?
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This is probably my favorite image to ever spawn off of this site ever.
As hard it would be to get a major victory in the Crimean War, but this seem pretty neat. You likely killed the Second French Empire, or at the very least Napoleon III's power is greatly limited by getting beaten by the Bear. Italian unification is pushed back, but only delayed. You see Russia riding on a wave of Pan-Orthodoxy with the decline of the Ottomans is set in stone with a independent Romania, a independent Bulgaria, ( Armenia if the Russians desire it.) and Austria-Hungary trying to get back in Russia's good set. And the almost guarantee of Russian control of the Turkish Straits. (London's greatest nightmare.)
Defeat in the Crimean War prompted significant social reforms in Russia, the government censure was lifted, some power was transferred to the Duma, Alexander II began currency reform, and most importantly, the serfs were liberated. This came on the heels of 30 years of government repression of opposition voices; failure to secure Russian interests in not only the Ottoman Empire but her own back yard lent credence to the idea that maybe the opposition to absolute, despotic Czarist rule had something worth saying. A victorious Russia in the Crimean War will have none of these things; you'd probably end up having a less-developed Russia overextend herself massively (though not impressively) and collapse in a much more dramatic and bloody fashion.
Your right on the money on this one. You can look at it the same way a Russian Victory in the Russo-Japanese War: Stop the need for any well needed reforms, and push off modernization, as well as poison any hope of a Entente. (The Great Game continues and France is left out in the cold.)
You right after some Russian adventures, it comes undone even worst and faster in anything in OTL.
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