Xpost from the MOTF. This is the most fun with a map and a scenario for a long time - whoever thought up this contest concept had a great idea.
Map Thread XVIII
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Census are always by self-identification. And really, I feel like "American" is a more honest answer than "German" or "English". There is, after all, nothing really "German" or "English" about those people anymore, for the most part. Even "Ethnic German" doesn't fit; it isn't at all analogous to ethnic Serbs in Bosnia or ethnic Kurds in Turkey. So "American" makes more sense to me than "German" or "English" or "Irish", really.
As a German, I reject that. Your ancestry may be German, but I would say that is something different: Going by the examples named above, I would define ethnicity by identity and culture, as something closer to national identity than ancestry. Which would make you, and those people who self-identify as such, ethnic American.
As for allegations of racism, well, it isn't like they identified as "white Americans"; as such the category would be open to black Americans as well.
The ATL is one of a world where Slavs never became a significant ethnic group. The map is of that world's imagining of what a major Slavic state might have looked like. If it helps to orient, Menesk is just upriver of Warsaw, and Kyv is Kyiv, Ukraine.
It kinda gives the impression that it is not quite part of the title but rather that the respective site had an update, and most stuff that has 'weekly' as part of their title don't have something after that (Entertainment Weekly, Science Weekly etc.) so I guess me and others kinda overlook it.
What makes it really sad is the fact that the 48 Like was the like that I gave it.
All jokes aside, great list! Must have taken forever to make. I humbly accept spot #155
Thanks!
And yeah, forever just about sums it up. Haha.
damein fisher
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The Crown Colony of New Ireland
At the tipping point of the Napoleonic wars, during the Peninsular war in Portugal, the United States of America declared war on the British Empire. Their goal was to reopen neutral trade to the French Empire, and maybe take over the Provinces of Upper and Lower Canada, though this is debated.
The war was a disaster on both sides from the beginning, this was the first major war of the United States and it showed; their militia often retreated, refused orders, or even didn't fight outside of their home state. However, the lack of British forces in the Canada's allowed the Americans to make minor progress with the Canadian militia able to keep them from making too much ground. However in the New England region, where the militia refused to fight at all, much of the Maine district was able to become occupied by the New Brunswick local militia.
The War took an overwhelming turn in 1814 when the British were able to win the Peninsular War and send troops to the United States. They bombarded coastal cities, burn down the capital and occupied much of the Northern American Territories of Illinois and Michigan. Following the British Victory, the Treaty of Ghent ceded much land to the British, including the Maine district Northeast of the Kennebec River, establishing the Colony of New Ireland.
This map is part of the timeline The Lion, the Rooster, and the Eagle. A larger version of the map can be found here.
Poor wording on my part, the census was about ancestry, not ethnicity. I was tired and mixed the terms up in my post.
can someone help me to either find a good quality version to recreate this map or locate this map on another forum please. its from the movie Bushwick.........sorry its a really bad pic.
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United States Federal Regions: The New South
The New South refers to the states south of the North Carolina-Tennessee border, although Georgia is often times considered both an Old South and a New South state having not officially gone through an extensive Reconstruction process. What makes the New South distinct from the Old South is the extended Reconstruction that occurred throughout the New South, along with the mass industrialization of the area that started with the rise of Terminus and the Federal Southern Line in the early 1860s, and continued through to the grand development of Mobile as America's premier port into the Gulf. The New South is also home to the United States' cinema industry, which is located in Tempi, East Florida. The island state of Jamaica, a way's away from the rest of the New South, is the newest addition to the region.
The States of the New South Region:
EF - East Florida
EY - East Yazoo
GA - Georgia
JA - Jamaica
SC - South Carolina
WF - West Florida
WY - West Yazoo
The New South refers to the states south of the North Carolina-Tennessee border, although Georgia is often times considered both an Old South and a New South state having not officially gone through an extensive Reconstruction process. What makes the New South distinct from the Old South is the extended Reconstruction that occurred throughout the New South, along with the mass industrialization of the area that started with the rise of Terminus and the Federal Southern Line in the early 1860s, and continued through to the grand development of Mobile as America's premier port into the Gulf. The New South is also home to the United States' cinema industry, which is located in Tempi, East Florida. The island state of Jamaica, a way's away from the rest of the New South, is the newest addition to the region.
The States of the New South Region:
EF - East Florida
EY - East Yazoo
GA - Georgia
JA - Jamaica
SC - South Carolina
WF - West Florida
WY - West Yazoo
These aren't strictly alternate history, but I think they will be an enormous help to anyone who is making a TL or a basemap. These are the first eight maps in my Warlord Atlas series, which will (if it ever gets completed) map the history of China from 1910 to 1952. If you think this is a useful resource and want to see more, please tell me and I may create a thread for this. Corrections are appreciated.
Wuchang Uprising
Defense of Yangsia
Battle of Nanking
Mongolian Revolution
Republic of China
Second Chinese Revolution
Kiangsi Campaign
Outbreak of the Great War
• A - Nanking falls; Kuomintang defeated (Sept 1 1913)
• B - Tannu Uriankhai accepts Russian protection (17 Apr 1914)
• C - The First World War begins (Jul 28 1914)
• D - Japan declares war on Germany (Aug 23 1914)
• E - Japanese capture the German colony of Tsingtao (Nov 16 1914)
Wuchang Uprising
- A - China occupies Tibet (Feb 12 1910)
- B - Japan annexes Korea (Aug 29 1910)
- C - Wuchang Uprising; A Tangmenghui insurrection triggers the Chinese Revolution (Oct 10 1911)
Defense of Yangsia
- A - Revolutionaries in Shensi and Hunan revolt (Oct 22 1911)
- B - First stage of the Battle of Yangsia (Oct 26-Nov 1 1911)
- C - Provinces begin to secede from the Qing (Oct 29-31 1911)
- D - In a futile attempt to preserve itself, the Qing state becomes a constitutional monarchy with Yuan Shikai as its premier.
Battle of Nanking
- A - Southern China joins the revolution (Nov 4-11 1911)
- B - Revolutionary forces advance on Nanking (Nov 8-11 1911)
- C - Qing forces attack Hanyang (Nov 21 1911)
Mongolian Revolution
- A - Qing capture Hanyang (Nov 22-27 1911)
- B - Khalkha Mongol insurrection (Nov 28 1911)
- C - Qing governor of Mongolia flees (Nov 30 1911)
- D - Revolutionaries capture Nanking (Dec 2 1911)
- E - Great Mongolian State established (Dec 29 1911)
Republic of China
- A - Republic of China established (Jan 1 1912)
- B - Qing emperor abdicates (Feb 12 1912)
- C - Tannu Uriankhai separates from Mongolia (Feb 15 1912)
- D - North-South Compromise: Yuan Shikai inaugurated as President of the Republic of China (Mar 10 1912)
Second Chinese Revolution
- A - Tibet declares independence (Apr 4 1912)
- B - Mongolia occupies Chakhar and Suiyuan (Feb 2 1913)
- C - Yuan Shikai accused of abusing his power (May 20 1913)
- D - Second Chinese Revolution: Five southern provinces rebel against Yuan Shikai (Jul 10 1913)
Kiangsi Campaign
- A - Kuomintang defeated at Nanchang (Aug 1 1913)
Outbreak of the Great War
• A - Nanking falls; Kuomintang defeated (Sept 1 1913)
• B - Tannu Uriankhai accepts Russian protection (17 Apr 1914)
• C - The First World War begins (Jul 28 1914)
• D - Japan declares war on Germany (Aug 23 1914)
• E - Japanese capture the German colony of Tsingtao (Nov 16 1914)
So, the Old World is dominated by the Romans, the *Finns, and the *Koreans? Sure, why not.
But would an alternate history group spend that much time arguing about "crimes" centuries old? That's frankly unbelievable.
POD: The British keep Moskito Coast in 1852, leading to the United States reforming the FRCA to block British influence in the region. The relations between the US and the UK get worse enough that the UK intervenes in the American Civil War, leading to a disunited America and a FRCA without any foreign backers. Eventually foreign companies, typically American, Confederate (including British companies trying to get around anti-British sentiment in the FRCA), and French, jockey for influence in the nation, ending with a Socialist Revolution in the 1920s.
this has been bothering me about people using the current Chinese Tibet as the historic one, that is not what Tibet was
The Tibetan Empire at its greatest extent between the 780s and the 790s AD
Map showing major religious regimes during the Era of Fragmentation in Tibet
Tibet within the Qing dynasty in 1820.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tibet
Tibet has been historically much larger and has shrunk over the ages, the current map is a product of the PRC
"Greater Tibet" as claimed by Tibetan exile groups
Tibetan autonomous areas, as designated by China
Tibet Autonomous Region, within China
Chinese-controlled, claimed by India as part of Aksai Chin
Indian-controlled, parts claimed by China as South Tibet
Other areas historically within the Tibetan cultural sphere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tibet
Tibet has been historically much larger and has shrunk over the ages, the current map is a product of the PRC
"Greater Tibet" as claimed by Tibetan exile groups
Tibetan autonomous areas, as designated by China
Tibet Autonomous Region, within China
Chinese-controlled, claimed by India as part of Aksai Chin
Indian-controlled, parts claimed by China as South Tibet
Other areas historically within the Tibetan cultural sphere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet
damein fisher
Banned
this has been bothering me about people using the current Chinese Tibet as the historic one, that is not what Tibet was
The Tibetan Empire at its greatest extent between the 780s and the 790s AD
Map showing major religious regimes during the Era of Fragmentation in Tibet
Tibet within the Qing dynasty in 1820.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tibet
Tibet has been historically much larger and has shrunk over the ages, the current map is a product of the PRC
"Greater Tibet" as claimed by Tibetan exile groups
Tibetan autonomous areas, as designated by China
Tibet Autonomous Region, within China
Chinese-controlled, claimed by India as part of Aksai Chin
Indian-controlled, parts claimed by China as South Tibet
Other areas historically within the Tibetan cultural sphere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet
I was noticing this to! I wanted to do a British Tibet TL, but cannot find any good maps of 1910 Tibet
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