Map Thread XVIII
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I wonder what a map of the United States with every state being designed to have about 300 000 people--the same number as lived in each of the 13 colonies, on average, in the first census of 1790--would look like, assuming an even vaguely sensible attempt at drawing boundaries. Obviously you'd have some extremely tiny "states" in large cities (Manhattan would have five or six!), and then huge states out west, but it would be interesting to actually see the borders that might result...
Michigan would be broken into 33. The entire Upper Peninsula would be one state, and the city of Detroit would be split in two. I have nothing better to do, so I should have a map of OTL Michigan in this universe done soon.
The problem would be that you'd need to continuously redraw the states, especially as urban cores grow and shrink. Between the Civil and Great Wars you're going to have to do this over and over even in rural regions as populations explode in the Midwest.
You misunderstand me. I'm wondering what a map drawing states as specified right now would look like, in the same vein as that "fifty equal population states" map that floats around from time to time, not proposing that there was somehow an agreement to do so when the Constitution was written (among other problems, neither the states larger nor the states smaller than the average would have liked it). Purely a fantasy, again just like that "fifty equal states" map.
Here is the thing. WE don't have the Swatiska meaning anything but Nazis for the most part. Most that do use Swastikas have them in extremely different versions (which were used before the Nazis came along) and they keep them limited to their original functions. If the Nazis used a regular Iron Cross or something, THEN we would have a reason to argue that everyone can use it. But they didn't. Hell, the Far Right and Neo-Nazis use Sun Crosses and various things meant to be barely disguised Swasitkas. When I was reading Speer's book I was getting suspicious a third or halfway through it on the way he referred to reality. I checked the side of the book, saw the publishers were Loghreim something and had a barely disguises Swasitka as the logo. Returned it to the university library immediately.
Ahhh yes, Strasser. The SA guy? I am almost certain he was loyal to Hitler. Also, I am unsure if you should show Syria in the way you do. Either go with only showing Lebanon as a division or show all of them, I would suggest. Hatay only got that special status when the French were preparing it for a referendum to give it to Turkey, so as to buy their neutrality. I also feel going with Manchuko and Menjijassomething for Manchuria and Inner Mongolia would be better. I also don't see the Japanese invading into Gansu (too far from anything important) or Tibet getting that enormous amount of land. Much of both of those areas belonged to the Ma Clique, which was almost a bastion area, populated mostly by Muslim Huis. Also, there was no "Danish Island" at this point in time. It became the Kingdom of Iceland in 1918, long before your POD. I was going to correct your naming of Dominicana, but seems it is used in real life. Well, as part of the name. If translated I think it might be the equivalent of calling the Russian Federation Russian instead of Russia. You have a mispemmleing (oh, the irony of my first writing of this sentence) in British East Africa. The Belgians also called their colony Belgian Congo rather than Belgian Africa. What is the reason behind the unique coloring in Siam? Doesn't seem to match the spheres of influence, and if the British were to occupy anywhere, I would think they would choose more strategic areas. Did the Chinese drive out all the Europeans but those at Hong Kong? And I feel where you wrote British Empire you might want to put either United Kingdom or Great Britain. It would make it consistent with how you labeled France. Also need to color in the Alaskan Islands in the upper right of the maps.World War II began with a coup in Afghanistan — the government of the New Durrani Empire signed an alliance with the Alliance, but in the north of the country a communist uprising took place against the "imperialist reactionary coup." The rebels supported the USSR, and everything began to turn out.
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Uh, no. The Strasser brothers tried to co-opt the party when Hitler was in prison, and swing it to the left. Hitler side-lined them. Otto Strasser fled into exile and set up an organisation intended to split the Nazi party into a left-wing and a right-wing faction (it never amounted to anything), whereas Gregor was murdered in the Night of the Long Knives. Both brothers detested Hitler and tried to undermine him at every turn (without any success).
Ahh right, I was thinking of Röhm. I always found it odd why he would be seen as a leftist leader in so many maps.
1) I got the same result
2) Yes, I heard about it too. Somewhere I saw that ASOIAF planet is 25% larger than Earth.
1)I was thinking of adding the Avatar universe to the southwest, but I thought it was redundant.
2)Indians are isolated from Essos by the Mountains of the Dragons (combined with North American Cordillera), the bloody sea (in California) and the deserts.
The civilization of Peru either does not exist or is not yet open. Now these territories are in the center of South America-Ulthos.
Much more interesting is how people in this world got to America. There is no Bering Strait.
Yes, it would be epic
Is posting maps found elsewhere frowned upon? Because behold this map found on reddit:
Radical reconstructionist border gore. It is magnificent.
Radical reconstructionist border gore. It is magnificent.
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Ugh. Border Gore Primo Edition. Even with Abolitionist Fever, Rabid or not, I don't see "Black States" being so dominant. That's 6 states carved out for 'the Negro' to 7 neutered 'White' states. Would be curious.
My favorite bit of this is the absolute fuck you of naming a state "Lincoln" in post-Confederate Dixieland
Skallagrim
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It's a fascinating map. Although I must say, I love bordergore, but some of this makes little sense. Especially the "Tombigbee panhandle". Maybe African-Americans were a majority there at the time (although I'm not at all sure about that), but the population as a whole was presumably not very high. Would make a lot more sense to give that panhandle to Kentucky and/or Cumberland. Since tombigbee would get reduced by that anyway, I'd say cut off a very thin coastal strip to unify New West florida, and just integrate the remnant of Tombigbee into Lincoln. That would also reduce the total number of Freed States by one, which would make this whole plan just that bit more acceptable politically.
Regarding the write-up, I'm rather surprised that Freed States" apparently end up being more commonly referred to as the "Historically Black States" due to demographic changes. Seems a bit weird, considering that the historical pattern in the region was that the black population grew faster than the white population. I'd expect the black states to stay firmly black, and the white states in the region to conversely become gradually less white. In particular, I'd expect the northernmost part of New West Florida and the coastal region of Carolina to be majority black by the present day. Brazoria is really the only Freed State I'd seriously expect to become noticeably more white over time. (Of course, there can be some ATL development at work changing this pattern compared to OTL...)
Regarding the write-up, I'm rather surprised that Freed States" apparently end up being more commonly referred to as the "Historically Black States" due to demographic changes. Seems a bit weird, considering that the historical pattern in the region was that the black population grew faster than the white population. I'd expect the black states to stay firmly black, and the white states in the region to conversely become gradually less white. In particular, I'd expect the northernmost part of New West Florida and the coastal region of Carolina to be majority black by the present day. Brazoria is really the only Freed State I'd seriously expect to become noticeably more white over time. (Of course, there can be some ATL development at work changing this pattern compared to OTL...)
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Ruled from Bost, the Solar Empire before its collapse was one of the most important empires of the Middle East due to its establishment of the Church of Zun which saw popularity within Syria, Central Asia, northern Iran, Afghanistan, Gujarat and along the Indus. It was created by the Zunbils who were an originally Afghan family that adopted Assyrian customs. At its height, the Solar Empire stretched from Benghazi in the west to the Himalayas in the east; an area where the Zunbils seeked to further expand but were instead distracted by the powerful Jalilids of Persia, Egypt and Arabia. Above is a map of the Solar Empire before its collapse.
1 January 738 - 21 December 774: Satrap Jumofuta I Zunbil of Zabulistan
The first seeds of Zunist expansion was planted by Jumofuta I. His slight pushes east during his long reign would inspire similar militaristic thoughts amongst his successors. He passed away aged 63 due to cancer.
21 December 774 - 14 February 801: Sultan Barha I the Fat Zunbil of Sistan
Barha I succeeded his father aged 41. He was to be the first Sunni Zunbil due to his conversion to Islam following an Abbasid invasion of his kingdom. As a vassal of the Abbasids, he gained the favour of the Caliphs and rose in power becoming the Sultan of Sistan. His greatess claim to fame, however, would not be this. Rather it would be his search for immortality which left him frail after a fast which almost killed the Sultan. What would instead kill him was Great Pox which struck him down aged 69.
14 Febuary 801 - 16 September 828: Sultan Rumofuda I the Terrible Zunbil of Sistan and Transoxiana
Rumofuda I succeeded his father aged 36. He would invade Transoxiana seizing great amounts of lands in Central Asia whilst also crowning himself as Sultan of the new lands. Like his father, Rumofuda I shared the favour of the Caliphs and thus received Samarra as a gift. Here Rumofuda I would construct a magnificent palace. He wouldn't see it completed though due to his death from natural causes aged 64. Even as an old man Rumofuda I was said to be a muscular individual with a great military mind.
16 September 828 - 12 June 848: Sultan Mehmud I the Fat Zunbil of Sistan and Transoxiana
Mehmud I succeeded his father aged 31. He was a muscular man like his father and was infact more of a military expert than Rumofuda I. However, public opinion of him was damaged by his homosexual tendencies; the fact that he had memorised the Quran did nothing to stop claims of apostasy. This negative view of Mehmud I saw him assassinated aged 62 after a series of conquests within Iran.
12 June 848 - 21 April 872: Sultan Sahryar I the Wise Zunbil of Sistan and Transoxiana
Sahryar I succeeded his father aged 30. He was an intelligent individual who successfully expanded Zunbil control into Oman, Syria and Hedjaz due to his skilled military mind. Nevertheless, he still remained a vassal of the Caliph and eventually died aged 55 due to the flu.
21 April 872 - 8 November 875: Shah Mehmud II the Holy Zunbil of Sistan and Transoxiana
Mehmud II succeeded his father aged 34 and is often regarded as one of the greatest Zunbils. He declared independence from the Muzaffaraddins following the overthrow of Caliph Qawurd the Tormentor by the new Caliph, Hasan the Conqueror Hasanid. Mehmud II following his declaration of independence crowned himself as Shah rather than Sultan and declared war on the new Caliph to gain the position for his son, Sahryar, since he had inherited a weak claim from his mother. Mehmud II, however, was assassinated whilst fighting in Iraq aged just 38. He was an intelligent individual with a mind for battle; before the rebellion he had conquered southern Gujarat and it could be expected that had he survived, he would have conquered even more lands.
8 November 875 - 21 November 894: Caliph Sahryar I the Ill-Ruler Zunbil, Shahanshah of the Arabs
Sahryar I succeeded his father aged 7. His father's army would carry on fighting in Iraq gaining the Caliphate. Sahryar I would also be declared as Shahanshah of the Prophet. His reign was destined to be a great one. He was a military genius, very intelligent and a descendant of the Prophet Muhammad, however, he was struck down by cancer aged 26.
21 November 894 - 8 May 951: Emperor Darab I the Able Zunbil of the Sun, Emperor of the Arabs and Persians
Darab I succeeded his father aged 9 and would go on to be the greatest Zunbil monarch. His mother was the Assyrian, Samantha, who taught her son the ways of her people causing him to adopt Assyrian culture and abandon much of Afghani culture. He would also be brought up by his mother into becoming a scholar. This scholarly pursuit brought him into contact with his Zunist ancestors and inspired by the old faith, he abolished the Caliphate and converted to Zunism before waging a series of conquests that ended with much of the Middle East, southern Central Asia and Egypt being conquered. He would then move east into India and conquer Multan, renamed to Zunabad, where he declared the creation of the Church of Zun. The Great Temple of the Sun would begin to be constructed in the capital of Bost; the Temple was a magnificent complex which acted as the home of High Priest Israel Qatwa. The Temple Complex would also house the headquarters of the Knights of the Sun led by Grandmaster Vahusdan. During a military campaign in India, Darab I, poisoned himself due to the realm's hatred of him. What he did would put a stain on his great rule for centuries to come for he had castrated all his sons instead of his eldest, Darab, as well as many grandsons in order to establish a stable line of succession. He also would kill many in his family to ensure that the empire was not torn apart following his death. He put the fate of the empire before his own legacy.
8 May 951 - 1 October 958: Emperor Darab II the Tenacious Zunbil of the Sun, Emperor of the Arabs and Persians
Darab II succeeded his father aged 38. He was like his father an erudite and military genius. However, unlike his father he was a bastard child and a member of the occult. During the seven years of his reign, Darab II slowly turned into an ugly, frail lunatic said to be possessed by the devil. Eventually he would die due to measles aged 45.
1 October 958 - 16 August 965: Emperor Yahballaha I the Sword of the Sun Zunbil of the Sun, Emperor of the Arabs and Persians
Yahballaha I succeeded his father aged 19. He was a physically strongman with a great skill in diplomacy, however, like Mehmud I his legitimacy would be tainted by him being a homosexual. He would descend into insanity following a bout of great pox and was killed by an arrow to eye during the Battle of Kafirkot against the Pratiharans. He was aged just 26 and had left behind no children.
16 August 965 - 23 March 980: Empress Mahalia I Zunbil of the Sun, Empress of the Arabs and Persians
Mahalia I succeeded her older brother aged 24. She was married to High Priest Chozai thus giving her the total support of the Church of Zun. She would expand further into India and hold a great celebration in Bost during her 20th year on the Solar Throne since that year coincided with the founding of the Empire of the Sun. She would place a vassal king on the throne of Delhi and be forced to defend against a Crusade called by Pope Benedictus III before being blown up in an assassination plot aged 39.
23 March 980 - 12 October 980: Emperor Oran I Zunbil of the Sun, Emperor of the Arabs and Persians
Oran I succeeded his mother aged 14. He recalled his mother's final invasion of India due to devastating losses and this sign of weakness saw him assassinated whilst out on a hunt by the end of the year before his 15th birthday.
12 October 980 - 17 October 988: Empress Marfa I the Sword of God Zunbil of the Sun, Empress of the Arabs and Persians
Marfa I succeeded her younger brother aged 16. She was married to general, Bertil af Munso, who was a nobleman from Scandinavia. Bertil was a great general and on the 24 November 981, he sacked Rome forcing Pope Benedictus III to end his Crusade against the Zunists. He would then travel to Saxony with the army used to sack Rome and conquer the Saxons crowning himself as King of the Saxons before returning back to Bost to give news of his victories to his wife. Marfa I would give him permission to attack the Danes, however, she would never receive the news of his success since she was blown up like her mother. This time though, the plotters were known with the chief plotter being King Shahdost Karen of Khorasan, a Solar vassal. Marfa I was only 24 and her name would be riddled with scandal due to her murder of her daughters Martha, Mahalia and Kitra in order to establish a secure line of succession.
17 October 988 - 2 September 990 [onwards]: Empress Marfa II Zunbil of the Sun, Empress of the Arabs and Persians
Marfa II succeeded her mother aged 6. During her reign, her father Bertil completed his war against the Danes but even he wouldn't be able to crush the rebellion which caused the empire to collapse on the 2 September 990. King Ali I Jalilid would declare himself as the Sunni King of the Jalilids with his territory spanning over Western Iran, Egypt, Israel and Ethiopia. Muzaffaraddin II Jalilid crowned himself as the Sunni King of Arabia whilst in Syria, the Zunist, Abdul-Wahab I Sualmid declared himself King. The Sunni, Hooshyar Karen, was declared King in Tabaristan and Central Asia whilst on the Sistan coast was the Nutkanis under the Panjabi Sunni, Xwedadad Nutkani. Following this great disaster, the Solar Empire would turn its sights to the east towards India where they seeked to carve out a new domain from their lands left in Eastern Iran and Afghanistan.
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Ruled from Constantinople, the Judeo-Roman Empire is a newly created state formed through a union between the Romans around the Black Sea and the Jews around the Red Sea. It was created by the Gideons who were an originally Ethiopian family who heavily intermixed with Ashkenazi families and adopted Greek culture. At its inception, the Judeo-Roman Empire dominates Egypt, Nubia, Somalia, much of Ethiopia, Arabia, Levant, Mesopotamia and the Black Sea.
1 January 1102 - 1 February 1147: King Radi I Ironside Gideon of the Nubians
The first seeds of expansion was sparked by Rabi, originally the king of Axum and Semien. His wars in the latter part of his life saw the seizure of Nubia and his crowning as the king of the Nubians in 15 July 1133. He would pass away aged 77 bedridden and infirm. His only son, Zadok, had died before him and thus his mixed race granddaughter, Amhara, succeeded him.
1 February 1102 - 13 June 1177: Queen Amhara I the Pious Gideon of the Nubians and Abyssinians
Amhara succeeded her grandfather aged 22. Her mother was a Sephardi Jew. She successfully conquered Hejaz in 1156 during the latter part of her reign. This was a major moment as it saw the Jewish capture of the holy Islamic cities of Medina and Mecca. However, she quickly lost the region five years later to Caliph Ashraf I Fatimid. However, she did successfully keep hold on Medina whilst was lost the following year to the Seljuks. The same year she conquered Hejaz, she crowned herself as Queen of Abyssinia. Controversially, she became a Shia to avoid a jihad by the Fatimids; her son, Taye, however, refused to convert. It was during this time as a Shia that she ended her conquests of the entirety of Nubia and southern Egypt. She would die aged 53 due to old age.
13 June 1177 - 24 March 1182: King Taye I Gideon of the Nubians and Abyssinians
Taye succeeded his mother aged 33. He successfully seized Alexandria establishing it as his new capital. Unlike his Shia mother and Jewish grandfather, Taye was a Samaritan. He died 38 due to cancer.
24 March 1882 - 2 December 1224: Emperor Machir I the Lionheart Gideon of Beta Israel
Machir I succeeded his father aged 12 and would go to become the greatest Gideon emperor. Unlike his father, he was a Jew. In 1187 he founded the Republic of Sinai after conquering the region from the Fatimids. In 1197, he finally seized the entirety of Egypt and crowned himself as King of the Egyptians. A few months later, he crowned himself as Emperor of Beta Israel in 18 April 1198. A 28 year old Machir I was crowned by his wife, Tziporah Binyamin, in Alexandria. Just two years later, he repelled a Fatimid jihad and sacked Damascus. Four years later, he conquered Jerusalem and moved the imperial capital there. His son and heir, Elazar, married the Norman-Greek Jewish empress of the Romans [Byzantium], Benedetta di Leece. Her family, however, had adopted Italian culture despite ruling over a Greek population. In 1211, the Viceroy of Egypt, Yisrael of Magnesia, conquered Medina. The Viceroy was a Sephardi from Anatolia. To celebrate this conquest, a great tournament was held in 1213 within the capital. In 1219, he sacked Rome to defend his daughter in law, the Roman empress, from a Crusade. She, however, died the same year from wounds sustained whilst with the army in the Levant. Machir passed away aged 54 due to cancer.
2 December 1224 - 22 December 1253: Emperor Teferi I the Witch Hunter Gideon of Israel
Teferi succeeded his father aged 18. His wife was his neice, Basilissa Yehudit of the Romans. In 1231, Viceroy Yisrael (now known as the Cleansing Flame) conquered Mecca sparking celebrations amongst the Jewish populace. The same year, however, Pope Callistus III was successful in the Greek Crusade and seized Greece from the Jewish Basilissa. Emperor Airfhindan the Hammer de Normandie of Alba was crowned as King of the Greeks due to his contributions to the crusade. The Roman court would move from Constantinople to Theodosia (within Crimea). In 1247, construction began on the Third Temple, something Machir I never got around to building. Two years later, the 'Kingdom of David' was declared on the 8th September 1249 following the conquest of Beirut. A great tournament was held to celebrate this and two years later on the 18th July 1251, the Third Temple was completed. A descendant of Aaron, Berhanu, was found and was made the first Kohen Gadol of a new era. Berhanu was an Ethiopian but it would be an Ashkenazi, Yoel of Marawi, who would become Grandmaster of the Zealots. The Jewish world would declare a great holy war against the Buddhist Mongols who had entered the Middle East. Teferi I joined the great war and marched into Mesopotamia becoming a Kanai. In 16 January 1253, he stormed Baghdad with an army of 20,000 Levantites and Egyptians made up mostly of Muslims. This brought the war to an end with Mesopotamia being annexed into the Empire. In the end, Teferi I commited suicide by jumping off the tallest tower in Jerusalem to his death so that he may be with god, he was 47.
13 April 1243 [22 December 1253] - [onwards]: Basilissa Nonna I the Witch Hunter Gideon of the Romans and Jews
She succeeded her mother, Yehudit I, as Basilissa of the Roman Empire and would succeed her father as Basilissa of Israel following his suicide. She was proclaimed as Basilissa of the Romans and Jews aged 25. With the resources of her father's empire, she would begin the reclamation of former Roman lands. She, however, did not share the culture of her ancestors with her speaking and thinking in Greek and neither did she share physical similarities with her ancestors with her rather looking like her Norman ancestors from her mother's ancestors.
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The crazy enclaves in the Black Sea area make me think you're right.
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