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did result in the Shah accepting democratizing reforms and Iran becoming a properly constitutional monarchy
Nice map--What happened to the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company? Did Mossadegh succeed?

And what happened to the Thracian Turks?
Don't think there have been many Basques around there since the Muslim conquest of Spain...
The Gothic Duchy of Cantabria was more or less elaborated as a march against Basque's raids and encorchements. While you might have a Basque presence there in the VIIth to IXth century, it was probably limited and relatively superficial, as in Upper Ebre.

CK II have a tendency to oversimplfy such identity representations (which is fair, because you have to in a game) and to, in the same time, label Basque regions and peoples that probably wouldn't have considered themselves as such or spoke a line of Basque (Banu Qasi or Bordeaux, for exemple)

This is a remastered version of an old map I made months ago. If you wanna see the the former, here it is. Here's also a direct link to the DeviantArt and Reddit page for convenience. Also, I have to scale down my map because it's too big, so sorry for being abrupt.

After years of ruthless conquest, Iskandar Muda - the Great Sultan of Aceh, passed away in 1662. No man in history has subjugated the entire archipelago under a single stroke, leaving a glorious legacy that will last for centuries to come.

He has driven out the infidels, and reclaim it back to the righteous, humiliating both the Portuguese and the Dutch in a glorious triumph. He commanded one of the greatest armies the region has ever seen; with hundreds of ships sailing across the islands and armies that can shake the very earth.

His grand territorial apex still stands after his demise, leaving only his massive army to rule a diverse community. He terrorized the Europeans and cared for his fellow Muslims and even non-muslims. But his death has opened another chapter for his son as he takes the mantle of his father, continuing his campaign for hegemony across the seas.

The Acehnese Sultanate, ever since the Fall of Malacca, has amassed a massive army. Iskandar’s ambition to subjugated the archipelago before the Europeans do lead him to the conclusion to form a far larger force compared to ones in the Siege of Malacca.

The size of his manpower ranges from 85,000 to 135,000: most of them comprised of peasants levied from rural villages; with half of them wielding muskets. His army also composed of cannoneers, a calvary corp riding Persian horses, 250 elephants, and an elite palace guard only consists of 7,500 women.

The Acehnese Navy has also expanded under the supervision of one of his war leaders (hulubalang). They were able to build a massive fleet with the help of the Ottomans, with 550 ships ready to sail across the entire sea.

While the spice trades is still one of the main contributing aspects of the Acehnese economy, Iskandar has put tremendous efforts into diversifying the income of his treasury: maximizing the input of agricultural produce in Sumatra and emphasizing on building a massive industry to manufacture local goods.

The size of their empire has given them the advantage of economic prosperity, especially with fertile lands of Jawa has gifted them a massive surplus of food and the abundance of spice produced from the island of Ambon.

Their relations with the Ottomans has becomes strained after achieving regional hegemony, but it does not shatter any cordial relations with one another. They still considered the Acehnese as the rightful hegemon of the archipelago, serving as a buffer state against the Spanish. They also have embassies within the Satuqids, Mughals, and other prominent sultanates across the Indian Ocean.

The Siamese were less enthusiastic, however, as they’re threatened by its growing influence across the coast of the mainland. Local sultanate and kingdoms also view them as a threat to their independence, due to years of aggressive expansionism.
Another academia-grade visualization of some rarely-encountered OTL data...

Newfoundland Communities by Religion (1945)
The Salvation Army has its own schools (though sorta-one I was at didn't really tie to the students, outside of occasional charity things like candy and music for prisoners at Christmas), churches, and has a paramilitary style of organization. The Russians were therefore technically correct when they closed them down as being paramilitary, though the only real physical battles they were in was when the Skeleton Srmy attacked them in the UK. By the way, do they still call people Anglican in Canada? Anglican Communion... guess so. Wondering if the US is the only one to call themselves Episcopalians. Are the Catholics shown here primarily English or would that have just been the first load? And what is an outport? Is it like when the Maritimes joined Canada and their ports were shut down or shunt aside so Ontario and Quebec got the ship building and imports? And does Newfoundland head further up into Labrador?
The Levantine Federation- A multi-ethnic state in the Middle East, resulting from a different outcome to the Arab-Israeli War, and a Syrian Civil War in the Sixties.

This map is from the year 2000, before this worlds equivalent of 9/11, and before an American invasion of the Arab Republic.


Members of the Levantine Federation -

Republic of the Lebanon - Christian majority state, with nearby Muslim Twelver populations annexed into the state during the Syrian Civil War. A large Jewish population was part of the ethno-religious balance in government, second-order refugees from Israel. Having received more migrants than in OTL, the population of Lebanon is higher, with 5m Christians (1.5m Americans), 3.5m Muslims, 2m Jews, and 1m others. (yes this is a lot of Christians, but it's with less emigration and more immigration)

State of Israel - Located inside the revised Bernadotte borders, later losing part of Acre in return for control over territory inside the Palestine Provisional State. With conditions cramped, displaced persons were often moved north, into Lebanon, where they were on permanent visas. From 1948 to 1975, Israel had an official claim over Jerusalem, controlling large portions of the city for long periods of this time. After 1975, the Special Council was accepted as protector of the holy city for all faiths. Today 5m people live in the coastal corridor, and inland to Galilee, 4.5m Jews, and 0.5m others.

Alawite State - Like the Lebanon and Israel, this state existed before the Levantine Federation. They formed almost immediately when the Syrian Civil War began. The Alawite State today has ambitions to directly incorporate the Hatay Autonomous Zone in Turkey, which it occupied during the 1980 War. The population is 4m, 3m Alawite, 0.5m Christian, and 0.5m Jewish.

Damascus City-State - Initially the Southern Occupation Zone, the region transitioned to become an independent state and member of the Levantine Federation, the locals preferring this to annexation by the Arab Republic.

Druze State - Mainly in one state located in southern Syria, with enclaves granted by Lebanon during the states formation. Most of the 4m Druze are citizens, about 0.5m live outside it's territory, and another 0.5m are citizens of other LF states.

Christian Republics of the Levantines - With a very complicated and enclaved border, the Christian Republics have a majority of Christians, in several semi-independent provinces. On one side is the Alawite State, the wealthiest and most highly educated region of the LF, on the other is the Interior Occupation Zone, the heavily militarized border with the Arab Republic, and a decades deep occupation with no end in sight. Immigration after 1975 came mainly from the USA, and resulted in new communities of English speakers sprinkled throughout the region. 4m citizens, 3.5m Christians, live in the CRotL, with the borders drawn carefully to ensure this majority, mainly at the expense of the occupation zone to the east.

Circassian State - Small ethnic state in the Golan Triangle. Civil rights for this minority improved greatly once they had a vote at the main table of the Levantine Federation, even if the choice of location was fairly arbitrary.

Kurdish State - Another small state, this time in northern Syria, on the border with Turkey. It is informally connected to the other Kurdistan, but is itself part of the LF.

Palestine Provisional State - Up to 1975, the Palestine Occupation Zone (with Israeli, Lebanese, French, and British occupying forces), after 1975, the Palestine Provisional State (under occupation by Levantine Federation forces). Fully incorporating the PPS as a normal state will mean solidifying the borders, which the State of Israel still challenges, and adding a massive new population to the Levantine Federation government. Internally support for normal membership is higher than for independence. If it joins, the Palestine State would be the largest in the Federation, at 12m people, 9m Muslims, 1m Jews, 1m Christians, and 1m others.

Jerusalem Special Council - Up to 1975, part of the Palestine Occupation Zone, after 1975, the Jerusalem Special Council has UN peacekeepers maintaining their borders, and local government that is mainly interested in remaining independent. During the 1980 War, Jerusalem itself was not touched by fighting, thanks to the efforts of fighters on the outskirts, and the Special Council had not yet agreed there was a war by the time the conflict ended, six weeks later.

Interior Occupation Zone - Between the Christian Republic of the Levantines and the Arab Republic, this territory is under occupation by Levantine Federal Forces, and has been for decades. Any moves by the Levantine Federation to integrate them are taken as hostile by the Arab Republic, while any moves for the region to become independent are rejected by the government of the Levantine Federation, and by many local leaders, due to fears that it will be immediately invaded.

Hatay Autonomous Zone - Inside Turkey, this region is populated by Alawites, and has aspirations to join the Alawite State. Ankara's warm reception of these demands seems to be, in part, to break the Alawite alliance with the Kurds, who also want to secede from part of Turkey, but also to solidify good relations with the LF.

Kurdistan - Not a member of the LF, but allied in every way. The Kurdish State sponsored by the LF in north Syria has not formally joined with Kurdistan, but movement between them is simple, and they're both aligned with independence factions in Turkey.

Arab Republic - Nationalist Arab state, formed of an alliance of the secular Ba'athist Party, and the traditionalist Emirates Party, who were opposed to the more fundamentalist religion of Saudi Arabia, and to the rival Islamic great power of Iran, and to the power of the Levantine Federation, and to the western-aligned Turkey. Internally, the Ba'athists are left-wing, isolationist, and more secular, while the Emirates are right-wing, interventionist, and less secular. Fought separate wars with Saudi Arabia and the Kingdom of Jordan between 1980 and 2000.

The Kingdom of Jordan - Traditionalist Arab state, under the Hashemite monarchy. They are now technical allies of the Levantine Federation.

The Republic of Egypt - Now an Islamic Republic, and starting to make noises about Palestine being their rightful territory again (as of 2000, they stopped quickly after the Arab Republic war).

Saudi Arabia - Still the Saudi monarchy on top of a radicalizing population, but does not survive the post-2000 interventions as a monarchy, becoming a moderate republic instead.

After the intervention in Syria had frozen into place, the Levantine Federation also had it's current roster of members. The Republic of Lebanon, State of Israel, Alawite State, and the Druze State were founding members in 1965, with occupation zones around the borders. The Christian Republics of the Levantines, the Circassian State, the and the Damascus City-State,

The Arab-Israeli War differs in two ways - the First Bernadotte Plan is taken under provisional acceptance, and Syria sees greater initial successes, and so attempts to annex Lebanon. The conflict peters out as the Egyptian and Jordanian alliance breaks down as Israeli forces are bogged down in Syria, and the truce sticks.

By 1952, Palestine is divided into three unrecognized occupation zones, the State of Israel in the north, Egypt's puppet Republic of Palestine in the southwest, and Jordan's West Bank provinces in the southeast, and Jerusalem is split between Egypt and Jordan, with Jewish/Israeli enclaves, all in a tense state of peace on good days, and shook by sectarian violence on most days.

In 1960, hostilities break out in Jerusalem, and Egypt and Jordan begin fighting along the rest of the border. Israel, supported by Lebanon, invades towards Jerusalem to attempt to annex Jewish areas, while Britain and France support both by air and by sea, and with invasions along the Sinai and Suez region. By the end of the conflict, the Palestinian Occupation Zone is present in the areas formerly controlled by Egypt and Jordan, Jerusalem is under international protection for local administration, and some areas with Jewish populations were de facto annexed into Israel, especially along the borders.

The Syrian Civil War broke out in the early Sixties, resulting in the immediate destruction of the ruling government, as part of the initial actions of the war. The alliance of Lebanon and Israel intervened in the region to ensure some stable states would exist on their northeast border. The first to join this alliance was the Alawite State, already extant before any intervention, followed by the Druze State and Christian Republic of the Levantines, created under occupation.

During this time, other parts of Syria were drawn into the quasi-fascist Arab Republic. In Syria it occupies Aleppo and most of the eastern desert, in Iraq, everywhere but a sliver of territory controlled by Kurdistan, as well as Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.

In 1975, the western aligned powers of the Middle East were - the Levantine Federation, Turkey, and the Republic of Iran; while the eastern aligned powers were - Egypt, Jordan, and the Arab Republic; and the neutral powers included Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Oman. It was soon after this that the Arab Republic broke with the USSR, later known to be over the development of nuclear weapons outside the control of the Soviets,

The migration of American Christians to the Holy Land increased after 1975. Most ended up in Lebanon or the Christian Republic of the Levantines, if they are citizens there it is easier to get a visa for the Palestine Provisional State, and then easier still to make it to Jerusalem. 1.5m in Lebanon, and 1m in the Christian Republics, are American Christians, with at least one American grandparent.

Jewish migration came in equal numbers to OTL, but in different waves, and to different destinations. Most start by moving to the relatively smaller Israel, following this many move to other states in the LF, primarily Lebanon (2m) and the Alawite (0.5m) State, and to the Palestine Provisional State, where 1m now live.

In 1980, the 1980 War took place between the Levantine Federation and a surprise alliance of Jordan and Egypt, who invaded on two fronts. The Arab Republic and Saudi Arabia would have preferred the Levantine Federation to win, and so kept out of the conflict entirely.

The first phase of the war lasted two weeks, and saw all of mandatory Palestine come under the control of the joint forces of the Egyptian and Jordanian coalition. The only places that were not captured were the Jerusalem salient, and the Tel Aviv salient.

The second phase of the war involved a sweeping armored movement down through eastern Jordan, encircling Amman, and amphibious and airborne landings in the Sinai, disrupting supplies to forces in Palestine. At the same time, Israeli forces broke out of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and Palestinian insurgents controlled or contested wide areas of the countryside. In the fifth and sixth week, Coalition forces were interred, and a peace treaty was hammered out.

Modern historians believe that the LF was on the verge of using nuclear weapons, and the Arab Federation was on the verge of intervening, before the third week offensives were successful in Jordan.

This map is from 2000, just before American intervention in the region. This world had something like a 9/11 in February 2000, and part of the response was to invade the Arab Republic, a state which actually had nuclear weapons.

Here's a map of an alternate Middle East based on a QBAM I did a little while ago; the scenario sort of acquired the theme of "more peaceful Middle East" as I worked on it.


Very nice!

My map has some similar elements but I swear it's not copied (though you did encourage me to post it, so thanks!)
5 Most Populous Countries ISOTed to a Virgin Earth - 150 Years later

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- Inital ISOTs included; China, India, USA, Indonesia, and Brazil.

- Initial ISOTs also included all native civilians and troops, who were ISOTed back to their countries during the ISOT.

- All countries have decent relations, the best is between the USA and Brazil.

- World population is around 7.8 billion.

- Technology levels are around 2060s. though the 2010s to 2050s tech is pretty common.
5 Most Populous Countries ISOTed to a Virgin Earth - 150 Years later
Arizona and New Mexico extended south without breaking up. I doubt California would. Especially considering they need the water from farther north. And the largest cities on the Mexican border used to be those build specifically to trade or service the US. Not much in Baja for Southern California to want. Fantastic border for Alaska, though.
Pretty good. Could we get a population breakdown on how many of those 7.8 billion live in each of the states? Also, a few quibbles:
  • Are the non-horizontal borders between the Australian states supposed to be vertical? Because if so, they need to be adjusted for the projection. As is, they're actually really funky diagonal lines, something which would be apparent if you looked at this map on, say, a globe or a Mercator projection.
  • US Morocco should continue west of the Rif to include everything north of the Atlas Mountains. I don't see the US claiming Morocco and all of the Mediterranean and then just completely ignoring Casablanca.
  • I don't see any real reason for there to be Basque and Catalan states separate from the Spanish one, especially given the enthusiasm for mergers displayed elsewhere in Europe.
  • The US could do with more territories on the edges, so that it doesn't look like, for example, they settled Slovakia, then abruptly stopped at Hungary. The eastern Adriatic coast being shown as terra nullius in particular is glaring, as there would probably be some sort of territory there, even if it's just a coastal village or two around Dubrovnik with nominal jurisdiction over all of Albania and former Yugoslavia.
  • Egypt should probably follow the Nile down south a ways instead of hugging the coast like the Maghreb states.
  • I don't see the Irrawaddy delta winding up with one state and the rest of the river valley ending up with another. The situation you depict is very awkward and I don't think it's really sustainable.
  • Given the size of your world's Muslim population, it is really, really weird that there is literally no settlement whatsoever in the Hejaz.
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- Inital ISOTs included; China, India, USA, Indonesia, and Brazil.

- Initial ISOTs also included all native civilians and troops, who were ISOTed back to their countries during the ISOT.

- All countries have decent relations, the best is between the USA and Brazil.

- World population is around 7.8 billion.

- Technology levels are around 2060s. though the 2010s to 2050s tech is pretty common.
Did the US rebuild the Panama and Suez canals? How would that go with 21st century tech?
Did the US rebuild the Panama and Suez canals? How would that go with 21st century tech?
Technology levels are at 2060s levels, so they would be able to get access to machines that would be able to rebuild those canals. It is just that there is still lots of outdated tech used by the middle class, due to the ISOT slightly crippling technological progress.
better map -

You are probably going to want up a mapkey and colors, given how many states you have listed.


Better-er map

1 - Republic of the Lebanon

2 - State of Israel

3 - Alawite State

4 -Damascus City-State

5 - Druze State (including northeast of the Golan Triangle)

6 - Christian Republics of the Levantines

7 - Circassian State

8 - Palestine Provisional State

9 - Interior Occupation Zone

10 - Kurdish State
Marvelous. I would say stick to keeping the borders you showed from the disputed areas the Saudis snagged from the UAE. Probably also the third of Kuwait the British gave without asking the Emir about it. Did the UAE seize or purchase the peninsula and enclaves Oman had? And are the Gulf States part of the Arab Republic or do they just have the same colors? Either way, I sense a lot of aggravation with the Saudis. Unless of course the light green means they are all sattelites of Ridyah. And how did Turkey end up losing Hatay-Aleksndrasomethin? The POd going back to before WWII?

EDIT: Oh right, you wrote that detailed post. I should probably check that out again.
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