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OK, I made a few fixes to borders, and notes and so on. How do you like?

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Oh, and for @Mr_Fanboy

Any jurisdiction where centaur/human marriage (or, for that matter, centaur/troll, centaur/orc, etc) marriage is legal?

Well, most countries there’s a sort of “they’re all monsters, who cares what they do with eachother?” so there aren’t any laws against the nonhuman races marrying eachother. Admittedly, some countries do classify marriage to another nonhuman race as bestialism if they aren’t close enough physically to have viable offspring.

As for non-human races marrying humans? The exact line varies, with different countries classifying different races as “close enough” to legally count as human for marriage with humans (for instance, the race whose hair goes from white to dark as they age is accepted as human almost everywhere, ghouls hardly anywhere), but centaur/human marriage is verboten everywhere except in Calonak, where it requires permission from the king, and also Sweden, North Burgundy, and the New Netherlands. (Well, in the Cannibal Empires nobody will raise an eyebrow if you have sex with them, but you don’t marry slaves.)

I assume that the monster races of the European possessions on the Southern Continent aren't generally at risk of being completely demographically overwhelmed, though?

Those lands aren’t particularly densely populated (it may not be our Antarctic, but they’re fairly cold), but the Columbian colony is the only place where the number of settlers approaches the locals. (They’ve been Bantustan’d: north Americans don’t think much of the Monster Races, although they do get along better than OTL with American Indians and black people).

Could you make a note of, roughly what the worldwide religious demographics of the world are? That is, the rough percentage that subscribes to each major religion. Just eyeballing the WIP so far, it looks like the world is generally more Christian (that is, the Old World looks more Christian, but the New World less Christian), somewhat more Jewish (lots of Lost Tribes, and I imagine no Holocaust, thank goodness), less Islamic (less Muslim penetration into Central Asia and almost none in Southeast Europe, and even a stronger Christian presence in the Middle East by way of the Chaldeans), and with more adherents of traditional native religions in Central and South America (unsure if an isolated Vinland would've ever converted to Christianity, though). Anyway, I could be completely off-base in my assessment, but yeah: just note the rough percentages, please!

Chaldeans are mostly Muslim nowadays. The real difference in the Islamic world is not central Asia (Khorasan and Khwarezem are still Muslim) but India and SE Asia: there’s no Muslim Indonesia, and India east of the Indus has few Muslims outside of the islands. Vinland has converted to Christianity, the more remote Saguenay has remained mostly pagan, although human sacrifice is now totally out. There are also two major non-OTL religions, the apocalyptic monotheism of Gog-Magog, and the many strange, horrible gods of the Cannibal Empires.

Very rough estimates: Christians make up about 34% of the world’s population (somewhat larger than OTL, since there are more nations and a bigger Asia), vs 31.5% OTL, Muslims drop from 23.2% to 16.3%, Hindus drop a bit from 15% to 13.5% (whatever the inhabitants of Bragman and their neighbors are, it’s not Hindu),and Buddhism rises a bit from 7.1% to 8% (Few atheistic commies). Among religions we don’t have, the followers of Yahweh The Wrathful (confined almost entirely to Gog-Magog) clock in at 4.5%, the Cannibal Empire’s nightmarish pantheon at around 2.3%. Another 6% can be called “indeterminate monotheist” [1].

Among smaller religions there are about 35.4 million snipped Jews (less than ½ of 1% of the world’s population, but rather more than the estimated 14.4 million of OTL), of which some 12 million, or over a third, belong to the lost-but-found tribes.(Given that they follow something a lot closer to the pre-diasporah form of the religion, there is considerable dispute between them and the other Jewish groups as to who are the “real” Jews). Some 80 million Aethiopians follow a form of Polytheism suspiciously like that of the ancient Greeks. (Not the Amazons of California: almost all of them- 15 million – follow a systematized religion derived from the ancient religion of the Black Sea steppe). There are some 90 million followers of the various branches of Voodoo, although only a fraction are loyal to the Priesthood of Haiti.

Native American religion is doing better: while the majority have converted to Christianity, some 15% of the United States of Columbia’s 12 million native Americans or 1.8 million follow their old faiths, in El Dorado some 3 million, and most prominently in the Restored Empire of the Four Quarters where some 50% of the population (13.5 million) at least part of the time follow the Old Religion, and 20% (5.4 million) follow it full time. (Christians are till over 50% of the population: it’s complicated, in an East Asian sort of way). The rest of Latin America is hard to estimate.

Oh, and also: please note what percentage of the world's sentient population is nonhuman. I can't imagine that it'd be especially large, probably 10% or less, but just make a note of it as well, please.

A lot of those countries aren’t very densely populated: the larger sized ones simply need a lot more space individually than humans, and the tribal groups generally aren’t very numerous. They really don’t even make it to 3% of the world population, not counting mermaids and shark-men.


[1] Mandeville as he moved east kept running into people who worshipped God and were often more praiseworthy in their behavior than Europeans, but was often very skimpy on the details.
 
OK, I made a few fixes to borders, and notes and so on. How do you like?

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One question--did Gog-Magog start out as two separate states that unified into one? And I might not be looking hard enough, but is there a portal to the inside of the Hollow Earth and the city of Agartha?

It would also be cool to put in modern legends like ancient aliens and Antarctica/Moon Nazis. Although I notice Bigfoot there, and I've always believed that Bigfoot (Bigfeet, really) would be members of an alien race if they existed.


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This is my first attempt at making any sort of AH map. It's a silly thought experiment about Manifest Destiny carried out to its full extent. Plus, Jefferson's plan for the states east of the Mississippi. EDIT: I know Newfoundland and Labrador are switched, whoops

They have all of continental North America down to Central America but not the Dominican Republic?

Also, I notice Jefferson's states there (and their strange names and gridlike borders), but I don't really see the point of Septentria. The vast majority of the people are concentrated on Baffin Island, so would be best incorporated into Nunavut, while the communities elsewhere would be better served incorporated into Denendeh. Newfoundland on your map is basically Nunatsiavut, which is worth noting has a population of about 2,100 people.
 
OK, I made a few fixes to borders, and notes and so on. How do you like?
It seems like you are new to map-making. You are using a very weird basemap, weird projection; Alaska is cut off, California looks like an island and Australia looks wrong too. Try sticking to the Worda-basemap that some of the other guys are using here. It is much easier to use for newbies like you.

The scenario is totally ASB, you have some kind of Soviet Union in Asia (WWII somehow went wrong?) but also a Skythian kingdom. That is just not adding upp. You should clean up the green area in central Africa. Try using teh bucket tool. Your legend is all over the place and why are you not using TACOS? Those colours are confusing me.

All and all pretty crappy map, but don't worry you will learn and improve. :)
 
It would also be cool to put in modern legends like ancient aliens and Antarctica/Moon Nazis. Although I notice Bigfoot there, and I've always believed that Bigfoot (Bigfeet, really) would be members of an alien race if they existed.
No no no, please no! Or to better say: yes, I would love something like that, but let it be completely unrelated to this "Mandevillan world" (I love it, however to mix gothic, renaissance and enlightement stuff is quite too much for me... add modern myth wouldn t help, not to mention Nazis, which in that world don´t make sense...) But yeah, lets go and please do some another "myth world" based on modern myths and urban legend (or at something completely different :D)
 
OK, I made a few fixes to borders, and notes and so on. How do you like?
What's the deal with the Cannibal Kingdoms? I mean, sure, the name says a lot, but there has to be a lot of structure to keep a place like that in place? How do they handle missionaries from, say, Aethiopia? Are they more similar to Ts'alal or like some of the more isolated cannibal tribes? What's their technology like?

I know it's a lotta questions but I really enjoy the thought of there being a native Antarctic culture, and so I'm curious as to how you handled it :)
 
What's the deal with the Cannibal Kingdoms? I mean, sure, the name says a lot, but there hasThe to be a lot of structure to keep a place like that in place? How do they handle missionaries from, say, Aethiopia? Are they more similar to Ts'alal or like some of the more isolated cannibal tribes? What's their technology like?

I know it's a lotta questions but I really enjoy the thought of there being a native Antarctic culture, and so I'm curious as to how you handled it :)
The ritual torture comment inclines me to believe they're just Tsalal
 

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The real difference in the Islamic world is not central Asia (Khorasan and Khwarezem are still Muslim) but India and SE Asia: there’s no Muslim Indonesia, and India east of the Indus has few Muslims outside of the islands. Vinland has converted to Christianity, the more remote Saguenay has remained mostly pagan, although human sacrifice is now totally out. There are also two major non-OTL religions, the apocalyptic monotheism of Gog-Magog, and the many strange, horrible gods of the Cannibal Empires.

Is Gog-Maggog actually evil, or is it more like, say, Manicheanism?
 
The first AH map I ever made, about a few years ago.
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NOTES
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1) Yes, that's Israel with Lesser Lebanon. No, relations between the two are quite cordial.
2) The 'States' part isn't a gratutious reference to America, it's because it the US of Arabia is an actual federation of kingdoms, republics (socialist and non-socialist) , tribal sheikhdoms and autocratic city-states. Calling it a tighter EU doesn't do justice to it's byzantine complexity. So they ended having an Arab National Army (not to be confused with the Arab Nation's Army fielded by the Socialist Syrian Republic)along with the Berber Legion, the Hashemite Royal Guard, Iskendrian Navy Marines and so on.
3) They have a bicameral legislature.
The Upper Chamber: The Council of Sovereigns is composed of the Heads of State of all 78 direct federal subjects, except the City of Jeddah which gets a seat even though it is under Hashemite suzerainity. Some Heads of State, like the Hashemite Sultan holds multiple seats and thus wields more influence. The Arbiter (Speaker) is a hereditary position held by the Hashemite Sultan.
The Lower Chamber: The Senate is elected via direct elections across the USA under Supervision of a fiercely independent Election Commission. Seats are assigned according to population and smaller federal entities often get rolled with a bigger neighbor for this purpose.
4) Kurdistan is a client state of the USA as is South Sudan.Turkey hates their guts.
5) The red dots indicate a massive Kurdish Communist uprising, money and troops are flowing in from both USAs, the EU, China, Russia and India to both sides.
6) Ignore any state that is not colored in.

Hope it's not too bad. I wish to do a proper admin. division map one day, if only I could fathom the mysteries of Inkscape.
 
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It seems like you are new to map-making. You are using a very weird basemap, weird projection; Alaska is cut off, California looks like an island and Australia looks wrong too. Try sticking to the Worda-basemap that some of the other guys are using here. It is much easier to use for newbies like you.

The scenario is totally ASB, you have some kind of Soviet Union in Asia (WWII somehow went wrong?) but also a Skythian kingdom. That is just not adding upp. You should clean up the green area in central Africa. Try using teh bucket tool. Your legend is all over the place and why are you not using TACOS? Those colours are confusing me.

All and all pretty crappy map, but don't worry you will learn and improve. :)
lolwut
 
It seems like you are new to map-making. You are using a very weird basemap, weird projection; Alaska is cut off, California looks like an island and Australia looks wrong too. Try sticking to the Worda-basemap that some of the other guys are using here. It is much easier to use for newbies like you.

The scenario is totally ASB, you have some kind of Soviet Union in Asia (WWII somehow went wrong?) but also a Skythian kingdom. That is just not adding upp. You should clean up the green area in central Africa. Try using teh bucket tool. Your legend is all over the place and why are you not using TACOS? Those colours are confusing me.

All and all pretty crappy map, but don't worry you will learn and improve. :)
I'm pretty sure he made it like that on purpose...
 
Crossposting from my deviantART post:


...Even more Nightrise stuff!!! Oh god this must probably really annoy you guys XD

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Ukraine(Ukrayina), officially the Archduchy of Ukraine(Erzherzogtum Ukraine, Erzherzogstvo Ukrayina), is a de-jure semi-sovereign/de facto sovereign constitutional monarchy whose territory comprises Central-Eastern Europe and the Archduchess-Valeriya-Islands(Erzherzohynja-Valeriya-Archipelag, formerly Zanzibar Islands). It is part of the Three Streams' Union, has a population of 124 million and covers an area of 475.926 km². Its capital Kyiv is the largest city in Ukraine and the Fourth Largest in the T.S.U. after Vienna, Herrmannsburg(Batavia) and Friedrichstadt(Singapur).

Ukraine is the highest developed nation in the world, closely followed by Danubia, the Netherlands and Finland. Although Ukraine has an own currency (the Hryvnja - ₴), which is pegged 2:1 to the Reichsmark, the Reichsmark itself is widely recognized as well, due to the strong interweaving of TSU member states.
Since 1859, the Archduchy uses the Latin Alphabet, replacing the Cyrillic Alphabet, which remains as a liturgical alphabet. The swap has impacted Ukrainian culture excessively and has distanced it from Russian culture, and nearing it towards Polish and Central European cultures.

Ukraine has a wide range of cultural and natural heritages. Besides the imperial city of Kyiv, which is widely known to be the mother of Slavic orthodox culture, Ukraine also hosts the location where the worldwide first reports of awakened people were found.

Ukraine's government is exactly like its Danubian Counterpart, a constitutional monarchy which features a democratically elected legislative and judiciary branch. The executive branch is represented by the Royal family and court, and the Military&Police. The Royal family, which comprises Archduchess Valeriya Yeliashkevych, 78th Archwitch of Platinum, and her husband Friedrich Grünewald-Yeliashkevych, the Danubian Kaiser, is able to veto judiciary and legislative decisions, and to release own legislations. These powers, however, have only seldomly been used in Danubia or Ukraine.


The Raspberry Wedge (Malynovyj Klyn, Himbeermark), is a seperate Puppet State of the Ukrainian Crown roughly half the size of Ukraine proper.


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The picture displays the Korona Zemlyas and the Rayons of Ukraine and its puppet state "Raspberry Wedge (Himbeermark)", as well as the Bezirke in Danubia which are pro forma part of the Ukrainian nation, but de jure and de facto part of Danubia.

Below, there are three smaller maps which show
1) the population density
2) the Majority Party and
3) the ethnic groups
in each Korona Zemlya(Crown Land)

Political parties [2]:
SUP: Sylna Ukrayina Partiya (Strong Ukraine Party)
Left-Wing Conservativism
SKP: Sylna Robocha Partiya (Strong Workers Party)
Labour Conservativism
LLP: Liva Livarna Partiya (Left Liberal Party)
Left-Wing Progressivism
TU: Trudova Ukrayina (Labour Ukraine)
Labour Liberalism
LU: Livarna Ukrayina (Liberal Ukraine)
Market Liberalism



Legislative Elections 1971 (Ukraine Only):

SUP: 42.7%
SKP: 31.9%
LLP: 15,8%
TU: 7,2%
LU: 2,4%
 
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