Map Thread XVII

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Two spins on the same Wikimedia basemap:

1) BLM's Nightmare (I do not endorse anything here) - The families of one police-brutality victim use the settlement to fund scholarships or exchange programs for American students in Europe, and the material in the scholarship flyers paints an overly positive picture of European policing. The result is that in a month, Europe sees almost a full year of officer-involved shootings due to American students thinking they can get away with anything. This is intended to look like a local news graphic:

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(Snipped for being potentially rule-breaking)

2) Alt-Greece.

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The post-WWI population exchange is less coercive, in that forcible transfer only applies to people who speak the "wrong" language and practice the "wrong" religion, with the result being a somewhat more diverse Greece (about 3-5% indigenous Muslim vs. 1.5% now) and Turkey as Greek-speaking Muslims and Turkish-speaking Orthodox Christians are not required to emigrate. Greece also develops a federal character, with several regions being bilingual:

Purple = Bilingual Greek-Italian

Yellow = Bilingual Greek-Vlach

Orange = Bilingual Greek-Slavic

Red = Bilingual Greek-Turkish

Green = Bilingual Greek-Albanian

Light Blue = Monolingual Greek, but both local dialect and Standard Greek are accepted

Dark Blue = Monolingual Standard Greek
 
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China is almost difficult to look at. I mean trying to make out all those autonomous areas spread out around the country... Speaking of colored borders, did China really have a claim on that area of Pakistan before? I always assumed the Pakistanis simply recognized the Chinese claims to a long strip of mountains.

Anyone here know if a deal was cut to get the rest of the claims dropped?

Also, can you link to where you found this base map? I am intrigued to see how the mapmaker may have shown the territory of indigenous peoples in the Americas. Also kind of wondering what the differently outlined areas of Taiwan and Hainan signify here.

And an unrelated question to everyone. Does quoting images simply link back to the old image or show it as a new one? I usually try to crop the maps away to avoid cutting into the site's bandwith (not sure if that is the right word), but I feel that sometimes the images are needed for... I don't know. But yah, you guys think it is best to cut quoted images?

I was actually the one that made that map. The Q-BAM itself and the maritime borders were made by others, but I put them together and colored it. China has autonomy on every level of divison: Provincial and Prefectural, which are shown on this map, as well as County and Township. The map is a bit cluttered and hard to look at, but it was made with the goal of showing as much info as possible. I did not show native areas in the US and Canada unfortuneately.
 
Otherwise, presented without further comment.

Awe-inspiring. I do have to express some doubts as to the defensive arrangements: outer planets are often on the opposite side of the sun from the planets they're supposed to be defending, after all. And since space is three-dimensional, enemies could just come straight down or up relative to the plane of the solar orbits.
 
OK! I still need to do some detail work – redo the notes so they are more pleasing to the eye and not scattered all over the place, there are some ugly borders from the original map I want to finish prettifying, and then I need to do a few demographic calculations for Mr_Fanboy, but the map is substantially done, so I’m going ahead and posting it.

Things have been tough for High Asia. Prester John lived and ruled for many, many years, but he was not immortal. His heir was a man of some wisdom, but he was not his great-grandfather. His successor in turn was mere dully competent. And the third generation…

By the dawn of the 20th century, the Empire had fallen on hard times. Corruption was rife, the nonhuman races were persecuted, the subject kings had been reduced to little more than figureheads while the Presbyter’s officials held the real power. Although still a great power by sheer bulk, it had fallen behind Europe in the wealth of its populace and the wisdom of its natural philosophers.

It was therefore folly for the Empire to jump into the Great War, the breakdown of the balance of power giving what its ruling class thought was an ideal opportunity to end the menace of the Grand Sultans of Persia and retake Jerusalem for Christianity. As war raged in the west, brought on by France-Castile’s intervention in the Burgundian civil war (with ambitions to annex that long-standing insult to French national integrity), the armies of High Asia marched west, theoretically in alliance with France (whose Egyptian protectorate had been seized by Persia as a theoretical ally of Britain and the Holy Roman Empire) but really in pursuit of the Presbyter’s ambitions.

It was a bridge too far. France-Castile fell, and while Persia would soon fall too from its wounds, the Empire fell into revolution. The Collectivists came out on top and forcibly reunited most of the Empire under their rule: socialism as we would call it, but in a world of wonders and miracles, in a land where one could hardly take a stroll without tripping over a holy relic, called it a kingdom, a kingdom whose only Lord was Christ. (Later Collectivist revolutions, especially those taking place in non-Christian nations, would tend to term themselves “republics” instead). A long struggle to create the first truly equal state followed, with much pursuit of heretics and naysayers.

In time came the Second Great War. In Europe, the Italian Dictatorship of Philosophers, aided by a vengeful France, armed with terrible new weapons of perverted Alchemy, sought to reshape Europe to their whims. In the East, the new vicious hostility between the former allies Serica and High Asia allowed the hordes of Gog-Magog to break out from behind their wall and overrun Serica, while the Emperor of Java took advantage of a distracted Europe to try and conquer all the islands and peninsulas between India and Hawaii.

In the end Gog-Magog, drunk on victory, overreached themselves, invading as well Anglo-Irish Beringia with a new secret sea monster resistant fleet, finally bringing that great ungainly child of the British isles, the United States of Columbia, along with their Californian allies, into the fight. Overstretched, Gog-Magog failed to take the capital of the People’s Kingdom, and soon were on the back foot, while the Russians entered the fight in Europe. Even the isolationist Chipanguese entered the fight against Java and Gog-Magog. In the end, Gog-Magog was split between High Asia and Columbia and its allies, and the People’s Kingdom also helped liberate Serica, guaranteeing the rise of their own Collectivist movement. Italy was broken up into its component parts and France lost lands to South Burgundy, England, and the Bretons. Java lost its puppet kings and became a republic.

A Cold War between the Collectivists and the private property nations, ending in Détente in the 1980s as the inhabitants of Serica and High Asia found that there wasn’t much money in collectivism. Still, the People’s Kingdom remained relatively true to its principles, still having faith in the God which told men to give all they had to the poor if they wished to join him, and that a rich man’s chances of heaven were metaphorically miniscule: they would not follow the example of Serica, increasingly a cheap and skuzzy imitation of its neighbor to the south.

As the People’s Kingdom struggles on (perhaps administration by talking brazen heads is the way forward?), new threats arise. Gog-Magog, from which the People’s Kingdom and the United States withdrew from in the 80s and 90s, [1] has reunified and seen a revival of the old religion, with it’s very strong emphasis on all those tares which need to be burned. Meanwhile, the Cannibal Empires of the Southern Continent, never successfully conquered by westerners, have largely caught up to the outside world in terms of the philosophical and mechanical arts, and are energetically expanding their control over the lands of the Monster Races: a collision with the various western colonies and protectorates to their west seems likely. Will there be another war? There is talk of new weapons more terrible than the transmutational devices which ended the last Great War.

Meanwhile, eyes are again on the impossibly tall mountain at the center of the world, the mountain of paradise to the Christians and Muslims, Mount Meru to the Hindoos and Buddhists, and increasingly an Alien Base to flying saucer watchers, where an attempt by a radical branch of the People’s Kingdom to contact heaven by landing a rocket atop the mountain has led to the rockets destruction by fire from the sky. The top remains invisible even from the artificial moons under its shining cloud, but there have been great storms on the slopes of the mountain, and people fear that divine wrath is not yet slaked…


[1] It’s a _large_ country. Occupation and ideological purging were much harder and less complete than, say, a comparable nation OTL.

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I don't think this thread bans current politics ???

I believe it's supposed to stay in chat, and there's really no way to discuss that post without drifting into it. But I'm not 100% sure as to what the rules are re maps vs timelines or what ifs: I know there are future "after Trump wrecks the world" maps which have been posted before, so I guess we need to see if any of the moderators weigh in on this.
 
Awe-inspiring. I do have to express some doubts as to the defensive arrangements: outer planets are often on the opposite side of the sun from the planets they're supposed to be defending, after all. And since space is three-dimensional, enemies could just come straight down or up relative to the plane of the solar orbits.
Firstly, thank you for the kind words.

As for the doubts:

What you say about the outer planets being on the opposite side of inner planets is true, but I don't think that necessarily compromises the defensive system. In order to effectively defeat Sol's defenders, an attacker would still have to take Uranus and Neptune; bypassing them means Helium-3 production goes on unhindered. Still have to take Saturn, otherwise ice mining continues supplying habitats and stations. Have to take Jupiter due to amount of military assets stationed there and its position astride trade routes. Have to take the Belt and Mars, because of the shipyards. Etc., etc. Basically, the system is designed so that every planetary body has to be contested, otherwise a vital piece of infrastructure is left unharmed, and with Navy assets unharassed in an attacker's "rear" so to speak.

As for attacking down or up, this is also true, but it runs the risk of ending up stranded away from any source of fuel or the ability to discharge static electricity. Being on the float or cooking in your own excess heat are not attractive possibilities. Attacking from up or down also doesn't compromise the existing defenses, because they were designed with space warfare being three-dimensional as a given. I realize however that this is not necessarily clear from the map, so I thank you for the constructive criticism and the opportunity to explain :)

Very nice work here yourself. I've always loved alternate geography maps, and your notes are as always a mixture on interesting and snarkily hilarious.
 
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Two spins on the same Wikimedia basemap:

1) BLM's Nightmare (I do not endorse anything here) - The families of one police-brutality victim use the settlement to fund scholarships or exchange programs for American students in Europe, and the material in the scholarship flyers paints an overly positive picture of European policing. The result is that in a month, Europe sees almost a full year of officer-involved shootings due to American students thinking they can get away with anything. This is intended to look like a local news graphic:
What kind of abdomination is this?
"Ahmed Moorhead"?
How the fuck did "Jane Smith" get shot for throwing rocks at Italian police if she wasn't allowed to enter Schengen? Did she find those rocks in the inside the airport? Do you know that European police aren't supposed to shot to kill if someone throws rocks at them?
Da fuq is "project on islamic radicalication"? Do you believe we have Islamist terror camps in Scandinavia or something?
And what has a mentally ill young man reaching for a police officer's gun to do with "American students thinking they can get away with anything"?
 
OK! I still need to do some detail work – redo the notes so they are more pleasing to the eye and not scattered all over the place, there are some ugly borders from the original map I want to finish prettifying, and then I need to do a few demographic calculations for Mr_Fanboy, but the map is substantially done, so I’m going ahead and posting it.
whoa

That’s some crazy stuff

Crazy good stuff!
 
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Of course, this defense assumes certain reactions and abilities from the enemy: but then I imagine this is principally set up to defend against the aliens they have already encountered, and presumably know a fair amount about.

As for attacking down or up, this is also true, but it runs the risk of ending up stranded away from any source of fuel

How does FTL work in this setting? Is it not usable in-solar system?
 
How does FTL work in this setting? Is it not usable in-solar system?
FTL is something I've kinda left purposefully vague, both for creative reasons, but also the much more honest one that I do not come from a strong science background, and so any attempt to come up with a more detailed system of FTL would probably sound very silly. This post probably goes into the most detail about FTL that I've got.

Separate from that, I've always kinda had it in my mind that it's not that FTL is unusable in-system, it's just more hazardous than even going c itself or slightly under. A solar system is much more comparatively crowded than interstellar space, not just because of planetary bodies but also other ship traffic. I've also thought that since running both an STL and FTL drive would burn up a lot of fuel, relatively speaking, build up a lot of heat and static. Ship-borne radiators can take care of the heat as long as there's power, but when fuel and batteries run low, your ability to radiate heat degrades until you start cooking. The static build-up also needs to be discharged (more of a problem in civilian ships, especially older ones, than military ones due to less advanced technology). This necessitates sticking closer to planetary bodies where static can be discharged, and where there's more likely to be fuel and discharge stations. Interstellar travel of great distances (speaking relatively again here) require hopping from one system to another to refuel and discharge, or using utilizing the network of deep space stations the Alliance maintains in the interstellar medium. I also figure you've got to drop out of FTL to attack effectively, meaning an attacking will be traveling STL in a system they're looking to harass.
 
What you say about the outer planets being on the opposite side of inner planets is true, but I don't think that necessarily compromises the defensive system. In order to effectively defeat Sol's defenders, an attacker would still have to take Uranus and Neptune; bypassing them means Helium-3 production goes on unhindered. Still have to take Saturn, otherwise ice mining continues supplying habitats and stations. Have to take Jupiter due to amount of military assets stationed there and its position astride trade routes. Have to take the Belt and Mars, because of the shipyards. Etc., etc. Basically, the system is designed so that every planetary body has to be contested, otherwise a vital piece of infrastructure is left unharmed, and with Navy assets unharassed in an attacker's "rear" so to speak.

As for attacking down or up, this is also true, but it runs the risk of ending up stranded away from any source of fuel or the ability to discharge static electricity. Being on the float or cooking in your own excess heat are not attractive possibilities. Attacking from up or down also doesn't compromise the existing defenses, because they were designed with space warfare being three-dimensional as a given. I realize however that this is not necessarily clear from the map, so I thank you for the constructive criticism and the opportunity to explain :)

This reasoning makes a lot of sense. I tend to think about spaceflight and (pre-terraforming) settlement as being really infrastructure-dependent, meaning that attacks on strategic industrial, logistical, and resource works (whether destroying or capturing) are going to be the far-and-away most important way to wage a campaign. Additionally, space is mostly huge amounts of nothing, so there's no real conception of 'territory' to gain or lose or 'terrain' outside of individual [dwarf-]planetary systems, and so all of your strategic and operational objectives are going to be situated at one of those infrastructure nodes. In other words, those are the only places an invader would actually benefit from attacking, otherwise they're contesting literally nothing and risking ships and material that the defending side (in this situation) can (comparatively) easily replace thanks to automation, functional infrastructure, and (comparatively) limitless resources while the attacking side is stuck at the far end of a potentially light-years-long supply chain. This tendency also sort-of handles the question on attacking from off-plane, in that once you get past the icy chaff in the outer system, everything of value is on the plane of the ecliptic, and so you might as well stay on that plane for fuel efficiency alone.
 
My MotF entry: The United Kingdom of Germany (das Kleinedeutsche Reich)

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Quite nice. Though I can't help but feel that they wouldn't use the shield over the eagle. That bird is prime symbolism and let's them claim the continuation of a thousand year's worth of history. Give or take four hundred. Ooh, and I see the Albertine and Ernestine Wettin lands have united. Who would you say the Germans dislike the most? The Saxons, Hanoverians, or Prussians?
 
I dug through some statisitcs and this is the result.
2020 something: Germany again organized by religion. Guess the three breakaway states...

There are a number of oddities like the Länder of Odenwald and Nürnberg that are part of both congregations, a few Länder that do not belong to either and some that are nominaly protestant but barred from voting on religious issues because most of their deputies fail to be church members.
Also Bottrop is strange in real life:The last county in the Ruhr area with a clear (absolut) catholic majority and also one of the last major cities with a couple of hardline communist on the town council.

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Please explain Mittelland. Why separate it from Niedersachsen? Why such a generic name?
 
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