Map Thread XVII

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Upvoteanthology, Sep 20, 2017.

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  1. Governer-General Well-Known Member

    May 2, 2014
    Wow, you have just found a great name for communist Ottomans. IOTL Şefik Hüsnü and Mustafa Suphi named communism as "iştirakiyyun"(communion/ism, participation/ism) in Ottoman Turkish. But I have to say Bedreddinism is a quite nice name.
    By the way Ottomans didn't use to names of Mesopotamia, Palestina and Syria much. I think Sham, Jarusalem/Jordan and Arabian Iraq(Irak-ı Arab in Ottoman Turkish) would be more fit.
  2. Clandango Disestablishmentarianist

    Jun 15, 2012
    The Back of the Car
    Palestine was within the area classified as Syria. I don't see them being disconnected in this way. Might want to stick to vilayets.

    Why did the people of the Aosta Valley, South Tyrol, and the Friulian area all give up their autonomy to become part of some larger autonomous area? Reminds me of how some Venetians wanted their own area to get autonomy and to swallow up the nearby autonomous areas. I do like how the Slovenians got Trieste though. Actually, did you have the north of Italy give up a smidge of land so that North and East Tyrol could connect? And do you have the Bretons taking their entire current region, the regoin they had before a part was lopped off in department organization, or something different? At a hotel with an iffy connection right now so I can't check up other maps to clarify for myself. I am thinking you would want to go for a little less land so you could have just areas speaking Breton, but I suppose the POD might be early enough to reverse its decline a bit. What do you call the areas of the split up Austria? I see the former Archduchy portion is split in two, grabbing Styria and Carinthia each. Or was it Carniola? Always mix up those two. What group are you giving autonomy in the Russian Far East?
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  3. Ziuwari Well-Known Member

    Jan 24, 2017
    I've got a bit more lucky, as i have got some more map material from half a dozen different atlasses and online-sources. But still, not good map that depicts certain regions...
  4. Ziuwari Well-Known Member

    Jan 24, 2017
    Thanks and also thanks for the hint, might have a look and change it.
  5. Ziuwari Well-Known Member

    Jan 24, 2017
    Yeah, i know this....more or less exact. It just went down with all the other stuff and at the end i forgot to research it and include in this map.
  6. ST15RM Ich bin ein AH.commer!

    Aug 7, 2017
    Hey uhh.. i know this is off topic but uhh...
    What can i do if i see a shady advertiser that makes her own thread that has nothing to do with alt history??
  7. Ashtagon Very Well-Known Member

    Feb 7, 2014
    On the bottom left of each post is a "Report" link. Click on that, explain why you clicked it in the popup box ("spam" is usually sufficient), and a message goes to the moderator team.

    Optionally, post a single reply to the thread saying "thread reported" to let everyone else know the job is done. Don't engage the poster in any kind of discussion.
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  8. Faeelin Lord of Ten Thousand Years

    Jan 4, 2004
    Seems like the Celts should rule the world, no?
  9. Beedok I exist.

    Dec 14, 2008
    Centauri Commonwealth
    Eritrea people have come to improve relations with Ethiopia, but... not quite that much. Plus there's a bit of a living standards gap still, so Ethiopia's public aren't convined securing a coastline is worth dealing with the costs of bringing the infrastructure and everything up to code. Especially when about half their sea exports go through Djibouti anyway.

    And then some parts of Ethiopian society are pushing to bring their gang of friends together with the East African Federation to form a larger common market. Though others prefer to be the clear biggest fish in a smaller pond.
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  10. Yanranay Baron of Leuk

    May 19, 2016
    Not actually Leuk
    Thanks! The borders of Limburg ITTL are a remain of the initial Prussian claims during the partition of Belgium, where they demanded annexation of all territory right of the Maas river, including the cities of Maastricht, Namur and Liege (the Talleyrand partition plan was accepted but modified in favor of the Netherlands). In the end they were only granted Luxemburg (which had been a member of the German Confederacy before), the part of Limburg east of the Maas as well as its northern parts west of the River in compensation for giving up claims in Liege and Namur. Why do you think the Voerstreek should be annexed? Because of the language?
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  11. Wendell Wendell

    Jun 8, 2005
    Lost in what might have been
    You've now made the "sick man" of Europe Bed ridden.....
  12. Xianfeng Emperor Amateur Iran-o-phile

    Just a little thought experiment on a South American Soviet Union. The story for this one really isn’t well thought out (it was one afternoon’s work sitting in front of a computer—what do you expect) though what I can say is that whether the world I detail below is utopia, dystopia, or somewhere in the middle, that’s up to you to decide. Las Patria Grande is loosely based upon the Soviet Union in governmental structure and China in rhetoric and packaging, so take it as you will.

    As usual, comments, speculation and whatnot welcome.

    NOTE: All real-life people mentioned in the following write-up have vastly changed personalities, worldviews and ideological leanings due to a POD 200+ years before the “modern day” of the scenario.


    LAS VERDAD—70th Liberation Day Edition

    Top Stories:

    Turning Points in History: the Liberation of Santiago
    In Pictures: Liberation Day in Plaza Bolivar
    Editorial: Bring Forth the Union of All the World
    Culture: Southwards Bound, a Canadian Story

    Turning Points in History: the liberation of Santiago

    70 Years ago: a summer afternoon on 8th July, 1948, the city of Santiago shook to the fearsome barrage of artillery. The armies of the Libertadores—the 4th Army under general Juan “little Bolivar” Peron to be precise—surrounded the strategic city, and through infiltration took the city in but 3 days. The last city in South America, defiant before the righteous forces of laborism fell at last.

    “We fought, we learnt, we conquered”, said Peron after the engagement to Las Verdad. It was one of the last battles to be fought in la Revolución, the conclusion of which brought a sense of finality. The battle was not like the trenches of Lima, or the door-to-door fighting of Buenos Aries—but to put it in a grand historical context, it was one of the most significant battles of la Revolución.

    In Santiago, the Chilean peasants and workers were liberated, the last piece in the great multicultural puzzle that is la Patria Grande.

    In Santiago, jubilant revolutionaries reported to the central government in Bogota, where Chairman Castro immediately declared the formation of our nation.

    In Santiago, the first land reforms were directed, to bring justice to the farmers of Chile.

    There is an important distinction to be made between liberation and revolution. Santiago was liberated in 1948; Lima in 1947, Caracas in 1945; yet Santiago was the first to undergo revolution in the fateful year of 1948. The Chilean spirit is never to fall behind, and this is fully reflected in her capital city’s eagerness to reform herself.

    Bold Santiago revolutionaries, including heroes like Carlos Prats led the founding of worker’s communes, the destruction of capitalist institutions, the seizing of the means of production, the expelling of foreign meddlers. Whilst the rest of la Patria Grande lagged so far behind, under so called “transitional governments”, Santiago had become the first nation to institute true Marxist-Castroist Labourism, as it was first envisioned.

    Santiago, this shining beacon of Labourism, witnessed the righteous fires of revolution. Santiago, this beautiful city, took the very first step towards the worker’s paradise.

    The people of Chile, of la Patria Grande, of the whole world salute you today! Hail, Santiago! (Las Verdad editor Matías Rodríguez)

    Workers and Peasants of Bogota celebrate Liberation Day
    the Plaza Bolivar is adorned with the flowers of Revolution

    The population of Bogota celebrated the 70th Anniversary of our nation’s founding—Liberation Day. On this momentous 200 thousand workers, peasants and soldiers all gathered to witness the grand parade through the streets of our nation’s capital.

    The Grand Secretariat of the Labourist Party, the President of the Confederation, the Chairman of the Central Military Commission, Hero of the World Revolution, his Excellency Hugo Chavez received the salutes of army, navy and air force servicemen, giving a stirring speech to urge all the oppressed peoples of the world to revolution. The politburo and foreign friends of La Patria Grande listened attentively to his Excellency, celebrating the spirit of revolutionary brotherhood.

    On this day of celebration, our continent was filled with joy and cheer, especially pronounced in Bogota. The city was covered in the colours of revolution: Red, Blue and Yellow; the Plaza Bolivar was adorned with flowers from every corner of our nation; and by the statue of Simon Bolivar lay a new one—that of his spiritual successor, founder of our fatherland, Fidel Castro. Castro proudly looked upon Bogota—seeing the House of Representatives, the Central Worker’s Congress, the Monument of Sacrafice, the Peron Monument and many more symbols of revolution. Workers dressed in red, blue and yellow formed human mosaics reading “Viva la Patria Grande!” and “Viva la Partido Laboristas!”—simple, yet touching words.

    Above the Plaza Bolivar, 33 balloons, one for each tribe or republic within our grand brotherhood of revolutionaries were let loose. Each was painted with traditional artwork from each of our continent’s peoples, symbolizing the herculean effort that was world revolution—accomplishable only through the industry and effort of all our nation’s peoples. Plaza Bolivar was filled with joy and revolutionary cheer—a sight to behold for all. (Las Vardas Editor Jose Garcia)

    Editorial: Bring Forth the Union of all the World

    In the midst of our nation’s 70th Anniversary, all the peoples of our nation are united in happiness and brotherhood, a momentous occasion that we all surely cherish.

    Holding aloft the eternal banner of Castroism-Marxism, thoroughly implementing the ideals of the new post-capitalist society and with vigilance against treason and revisionism, the day ended with renewed vigor and determination on the revolutionary spirit of each and every man, woman and child. Discussions on the hypocrisy of the false labourists and capitalist jackals in the Bantu Confederation; on the oppression of the German imperial jackboot were had in every layer of society. Stories were told by veterans of the Revolution about the bitterness of their conflict as brother turned on brother. Even in celebration, the peoples of the Americas were warned of the threats that imperialism poses yet to our righteous cause.

    Today, in labourism’s greatest hour, on the precipice of world revolution, vigilance is the watchword, from the Pyramids of the Maya to the icy Magellan Straits; from the paradise of the Bahamas to the ever-productive mines of Peru. Our great nation’s enemies have always stood ready to pounce, eying the weakest of the proletariat for subversion and invasion. This is reflected best in talk of “independence”, “self-determination”, “liberation”. Such words lead any sane man to think about the liberation of the oppressed in Europe, the workers of the Rhine and farmers of Ireland—but no. The enemies of revolution have always been masters of the pen. They speak of independence for Peru; self-determination for the Argentines; liberation from labourism. The enemies of revolution spew hypocrisy, speaking of revolution against revolution: counter-revolution they like to call it.

    But fear not. For the party and the proletariat know better. As one, all the liberated peoples of la Patria Grande know better—they know the truth. The know las verdad. The fundamental reason explaining why we can rise amidst difficulties and challenges and win one victory after another lies in the fact that we firmly believe that our cause is a just and progressive one, and that people of the whole country are united as one and making unremitting efforts to advance perseveringly toward our magnificent goals.

    In the face of endless challenges to the integrity of la Patria Grande, new challenges are emerging from every vector. These hurdles call for the concerted efforts and hard struggle by the people of all ethnic groups. Acting in compliance with the requirements of the Party, we should unify thinking, strengthen will, deal with all eventualities, identify the friend and the foe, know good from evil, do industrious work, and strive to make breakthroughs in various fields of work. All peoples of our nation, be you Maya, Inca, Colombian or Argentine, let us rally ourselves more closely around the Party with Comrade Chavez at the core, let us raise high the great banner of Castroism-Marxism, so the revolution of Bolivar can be continued forevermore ‘till all the world is a worker’s paradise! (Las Vardas Chief Editor Francisco Miranda)

    Southwards Bound: a Canadian Story

    There has always been this thread of fate between the Hispanic and Canadian peoples, many say. And that should not come as a surprise in the face of an increasingly warm Hispanic-Canadian friendship, as the two beacons of labourism find that they have nothing to lose and quite a lot to gain from cooperation.

    Indeed, there’s the story of Margret Atwood, a Canadian socialist author who ventured South in the most oppressive years of the nation’s monarchist dictatorship. Atwood, now 78, is author of multiple award-winning books, most famous of which is the Spinster’s Tale, a harrowing story of a young woman in the fictional nation of Monarchia, whose family forces her into an unhappy marriage with a dystopian backdrop. An instant bestseller, the book was tolerated by the Canadian royalist government for some time, but was then banned when things spiraled out of control.

    Atwood, placed under house arrest nevertheless saw her novel grow ever more popular, circulated widely underground. The government attempted to place her in Ottawa Women’s Prison (charmingly termed Princess Lizzie’s Dungeon by the poor African-Canadians in the nearby Ghettos), but faced serious resistance in the process. Eventually, Atwood broke out with some stroke of ingenuity and outside help from Revolutionary cells, trekking along the Mississippi, through the Louisiana hinterland, until she reached salvation in New Afrika.

    Atwood’s newest book, Southwards Bound talks of this harrowing trek.

    “This book isn’t about me,” says Atwood when Las Verdad editor Hermann Rodriguez approached her on the matter, “it’s about America. It’s about the suffering masses, huddled in small huts, swept up by the winter gale once the chill sets in.” Atwood looks sorrowful when she says this. She tells Las Verdad about her childhood in the worst parts in Ottawa—and how good life there was, when compared to sprawling slums like Baton Rouge and Huston.

    “It’s not about me,” says Atwood.

    Atwood later returned to her trek last year, making her way up North from Caracas—where she now resides to Ottawa. Surprisingly fit for a 78-year old, she beamed proudly as she showed us Las Verdad pictures she took along the way. There is Memphis, an industrial boom town, where Atwood gave a speech to the local Central Trade Union; there is Detroit, Canada’s socialist “poster boy”, where the greatest fruits of Castroism-Marxism are presented to the world by People’s Chancellor William Quesnel.

    “It was a capitalist wonderland back then,” Atwood laughs grimly as she looks at a picture of Detroit in the ‘70s, when she was but a simple middle-class working woman. “I’m just happy things are finally getting better.

    Canada celebrates the 37th Anniversary of her labourist revolution in 2 months. Atwood is rumored to be giving a speech to all the peoples of Canada at the celebratory parade—though Ms. Atwood chuckled and refused to comment when approached on the matter. (Las Vardas Editor Hermann Rodriguez)
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  13. AK47Productions Show me your true form!

    May 15, 2014
    The idea of using Bedreddin was originally used in rvbomally's Val Verde, I only learned of the guy himself because I didn't think it was a real name. The names of Mesopotamia, Syria, and Palestine seemed like safe bets since they've been the names of the regions for centuries from what I could tell. Plus this was a thought exercise for what the names of the internal divisions of a "Turkish USSR" rather than a serious scenario.

    See above regarding the divisions.

    I was hoping this pun would be made. Thank you.
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  14. Ephraim Ben Raphael Super Writer Extraordinaire

    Oct 5, 2009
    Somewhere in the Khazar Empire
    Not really, no. Mesopotamia is a Greek term, widely used in Europe but after the Muslim conquests the area became known by a variety of names, but Iraq (or variants thereof) was the most commonly used name by the end of the 19th century. Syria to, is a Latin term derived from "Assyria" that the Ottomans revived in the 19th century- possibly as an anti-Arab measure. The actual inhabitants continued to refer to the region as "al-Sham". As for Jerusalem, the Ottomans generally administered it as a sub-region of Syria- there' no reason to break it off, let alone make it even larger than Syria.
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  15. Analytical Engine Monarchist Collectivist Federalist

    Mar 12, 2007
    UK, EU (for the moment), Earth
    Syria and Iraq were also referred to as Mashriq.
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  16. Ephraim Ben Raphael Super Writer Extraordinaire

    Oct 5, 2009
    Somewhere in the Khazar Empire
    So that's where the term "Mashriqi" comes from! I live and I learn.:)
  17. BryanIII Well-Known Member

    Jun 16, 2012
    Brussels, Belgium
    Jup! Having an avoidable language enclave is stupid
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  18. Ivoshafen Just A Man From Gondor - Recovering from SATS

    Oct 14, 2016
    Well that's upsetting
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  19. DPKdebator Hmm...

    Oct 4, 2014

    In its formative years, New France, especially in Quebec and Acadia, is the site of higher amounts of migration due to the Thirty Years' War and other European conflicts that followed. Most of the émigrés were French Catholics, who were joined by smaller numbers of Huguenots, Basques, and Dutch. A larger population means that France was successfully able to hold on to these territories and ended up as the premier power in northern America, but not to the extent that it could absorb Britain's Atlantic seaboard colonies. The United States had a similar revolution as it did in our timeline, though a steady flow of support from New France made the fight quicker. After the U.S. became independent, some Yankees (as the New French have always called them) settled in land along the Appalachian Mountains, and their descendants still live in Duquesne, Alleghénie, and Nouvelle-Normandie. Unlike the Yankees, New France's independence was bloodless. When France's monarchy was overthrown, the National Assembly granted New France independence. The governors of New France's sub-colonies decided to set up a unified federal government, somewhat inspired by the United States. During the mess of revolution and the Reign of Terror, even more French left their motherland for New France. The 19th century saw New France grow exponentially, expanding all the way to the Pacific coast and taking Mexico's northernmost lands in a war. Millions immigrated to New France in search of a better life- especially from France, Ireland (the Irish mostly preferred the Catholic New France over the Protestant United States), the Netherlands, Switzerland, Italy, Germany, and the Basque Country. New France was a largely neutral country in world affairs for the 19th and early 20th century, but was eventually forced to confront its neutrality and transitioned towards a more international foreign policy. While it by no means became the sole power of the world, it is among the best in the world on many tallies of development and quality of life. Today, New France is a place of great cultural diversity. Different regions have unique cultural traditions, influenced mainly by French culture but also from other groups that immigrated to the area and native tribes. New France has a significant number of Métis, who live throughout the country but especially in parts of the Grandes Plaines and the western provinces. A similar effect can be seen with the many dialects of French spoken across the country. New France has 42 provinces, as well as the Territoires du Nord, which covers all of New France's holdings north of the 59th parallel (sans the Ungava Peninsula of Quebec). New France shares a land border with the United States of America, Mexico, and Alyeska, and a maritime border with the Danish territory of Greenland.
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  20. Lord Arthur Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2017
    Could someone make a map of the modern day Middle East for me, preferably with capitals and other important cities on there?
    It's for a timeline.
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