Map Thread XVII

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Upvoteanthology, Sep 20, 2017.

  1. timmy_khagann Nomad of the Red Plains

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    A WIP of a map I'm making for the 0.7 America update for HOI4 Kaiserreich:

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    I'm not sure what to do next at this juncture, to be honest. I wanted to overlay the country names on the map, but I fear that would make the state and city labels unintelligible. I was toying with keeping the country names as part of an infodump in a legend, but removing the state labels (also have issues with how they look like as of now) outright to make room for the country labels is also an option. I also don't know what to add on the empty spaces outside of the United States--should I add a legend? Lat-long lines? Mini-flags for each country along with an infodump? Suggestions are appreciated.
     
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  2. Bexar Well-Known Member

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    @timmy_khagann

    First off let me say nice map, I like it.I would appreciate some flags and an infodump. I would move the state labels or use the postal code since they all seem to be the same as OTL.

    I do have a few questions you can consider when writing the info: When is the map set? What are the current governments like? Which are hardline and which are undergoing reforms? Who is recognized as the successor to the old United States, or is the recognition divided among the various power blocks in the world?

    Concerning the borders, this is more personal curiosity rather than something you should put in a write up: it looks like the peace treaty between the different regimes broke up the old US based on state borders instead of front-lines, which leads me to wonder if Texas was broken up in the 19th century? If not, then why aren't more of the states divided especially considering that the borders seem a bit precarious for some of the nations like what I am assuming is the U.S. federal remnant?
     
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  3. Osk Eu set di la Oskaña

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    22. West Yazoo (Forgotten No More)

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  4. timmy_khagann Nomad of the Red Plains

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    Thanks for your interest in the map! I'll see if using state codes is better than writing out their full names.

    As for the infodump, well... I can't speak for the devs lol, but I'll do my best to give you the rundown.

    So this map is based on a TL called Kaiserreich, itself a modification (or mod) for Hearts of Iron II, Darkest Hour, and IV. The most basic premise is a Central Powers victory in WWI, now stylized as the Weltkrieg, which creates enough butterflies on its own by 1936.

    Now, the map itself features the scenario's Second American Civil War. To make a very long story short:

    This is a timeline where the United States didn't join WWI and kept on selling for the Entente powers (particularly the UK) until the Peace With Honor in 1921. After the British Coal Miner's Strike in 1925, which snowballed into the British Revolution and led to the dissolution of the UK and the Exile, the US fell into a long, ongoing recession--or was it depression?--since the UK, which was still paying their Weltkrieg debts to the US up until the Revolution, was one of the last few US export-friendly nations in the world after the Germans, fresh from their Weltkrieg victory, started taking the rest of the world's markets under its own very exclusive sphere of influence. Exacerbated by a myriad of natural disasters (Dust Bowl, St. Patrick's Day heat wave, Great New England flood) and a decade of ineffectual government, the American people were becoming more desperate, and soon started becoming radicalized by two movements, both of which offered a plan to get America out of the recession: Syndicalism and America First. Tensions ran high all over the place by 1936, and November's elections proved to be the straw that broke the camel's back--or in this case, the Union.

    The thing to consider about Kaiserreich is that changes can be made to the canon by every patch. This map is for 0.7, which overhauled a lot of stuff for the United States and removed many of the things which I was familiar with in relation to the SACW, so bear with me if I don't give a good explanation. In addition, I didn't have a detailed map of the SACW in 0.7, else I would have also included the multiple militia movements that popped up on each country (and slowly kill my hands in the process lol), so I stuck to featuring states that "officially" declared their secession from the Union. As can be seen, their borders are very much precarious, and will definitely change as the war goes on.

    The big, blue, and hilariously overextended giant sprawled all over the map is the United States of America, run by the MacArthur Junta in Washington DC, or in Denver if the former were abandoned. There are many ways MacArthur can sieze the highest office of the land: He can offer to "assume emergency powers" just before the election if President Hoover feels worried about all the radicals milling about in the polling booths, or he can stage a coup d'etat if President Reed or Long (more on them later) run to enough opposition while implementing their agendas. For this map, I'm sticking with "suspending the Constitution before Election Day." Nationwide martial law was implemented, and conscription was enacted on all loyal states. MacArthur still kept the Senate and House, if only to act as his personal rubber stamp and keep the appearance of being the legitimate American government. The game is somewhat fuzzy about the internal politics of the US under MacArthur, so I had to make my own interpretation thereof, especially the last part.

    The red industrial powerhouse is the Combined Syndicates of America, united under the leadership of John "Jack" Reed, who ITL returned safely from Russia after the failure of the Bolshevik Revolution. In Kaiserreich, Syndicalism took Communism's place as the ascendant Socialist ideology, and France was the first in the world to become fully Syndicalist. As leader of the IWW, Reed touched the hearts of millions of workers across the Rust Belt from his headquarters in Chicago, the general lawlessness of the time often meaning the assumption of usual government duties (security, jobs, healthcare, etc.) in many counties from Minnesota to New York--in fact, it isn't uncommon to encounter a troop of Red Guards, the paramilitary wing of the IWW, while walking along the streets of Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburg, and NYC. He is firmly conviced Syndicalism is the answer to America's economic and social ails, and doesn't like the Federal government for their inaction to help the working man. What he doesn't like more, however, are radicals on the opposite side of the spectrum--which is exactly what the American Union State is.

    The grey, second rendition of the Confederacy in the south is the American Union State, led by Louisianan dictator Huey Long. Long leads the America First Union party, a disparate collection of just about every right-leaning ideology under the sun, from white supremacists, social conservatives, theocrats, classical liberals, et cetera. Much like Reed, his party is the de facto government for much of the South, and his Minutemen stand guard in otherwise Federal government buildings. However, Long believes that his Share Our Wealth initiative, practically an extreme form of wealth distribution, is America's last best hope. Corralling his party in line, however, is a difficult task, with him often reaching out to people whose views he finds repulsive, and the two things keeping the party together is a firm belief in Share Our Wealth and a hatred of Syndicalism.

    The green midget on the far right is the New England Republic, a puppet state created by Canada after implementing Defense Scheme no. 1 shortly after the secession of the CSA and AUS. It's firmly neutral, and firmly Republican, with the policies which they entail.

    The yellow snake on the left is the United States of America, but where all the politicians who disagreed with MacArthur have fled to. They only form if the Junta seizes power, otherwise they remain loyal to the Union, Democrat or Republican. They portray themselves as the last bastion of American democracy, seeking to restore the Union and bring down the Junta jnstead of being a separatist nation in its own right, turning the SACW into a four-way war. Not exactly fun for the American Caesar.

    I would love to talk further, but writing write-ups are a bitch in mobile and I've already wasted an hour on this lol, so I would advise you to go search up the lore on the Internet if you're interested in the American and non-American particulars of the Kaiserreich scenario.
     
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  5. Alex Richards A mapper I, from near Dar-bai. Donor

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    Here's one I've been working on for iainbhx's Arose from the Azure Main for a while.

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  6. Clandango Disestablishmentarianist

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    Well, isn't this splendid. I read over the last twenty pages of the story thread recently and I was confused a bit over some parts, due to how geography would change for certain administrative divisions. Hmmm, I thought all of Serbia became a Despotate, though. Was it that the area should as Kingd of Serbia here was the land the Uastrians once got temporarily, then losing at the same time as the part of Wallachia they snagged? And I thought there were landings by Genoa in the Dodencenses. Is Haleb and Trablu the areas that's had the same family in charge? And might I say, fantastic work in Crimea. Showing the areas as bogs or lakes really adds to it. Almost a shame you don't have Oman-Oman there. I remember how confused I got by it when reading the story, later wondering why it wasn't called something like Muscati Oman. As this points out though, probably another place. Still, is it the right borders for Crimea here? I thought they were only up to the bottleneck. I suppose I just misread when it mentoiend rivers and buffer zones, though.
     
  7. merkmuds Singularitarian/Posthumanist/Transhumanist

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    I like your style! The subdivisions make everything look complete.
     
  8. Gokbay Well-Known Member apparently, huh...

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    actually the subdivisions are from the basemap I found. but thank you anyway.
     
  9. B_Munro Member

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    Lovely. Remind me: what's the current "local" year?
     
  10. timmy_khagann Nomad of the Red Plains

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    Here's the final version of my map from earlier:

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    I wanted to add statistics and other details for each country, but I'm not sure if I still have space for it on the map.

    In any case, I'm finally done! I appreciate feedback--this is my first time making a map this big, and I want to make my future maps look better.

    Now to rest my weary hands...
     
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  11. Alex Richards A mapper I, from near Dar-bai. Donor

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    -The Kingdom of Serbia (and that bit of Wallachia) were already Austrian before 1730 (they would lose them in the OTL Ottoman war of 1737-9). That's the bit with the Crown Prince of Yugoslavia installed as Governor. The Despotate (ruled by the Metropolitan of the Serbian Orthodox Church) is all the bits the Serbs liberated from the Ottomans and which may or may not join with Habsburg Serbia at some point.

    -Genoa has the northern Dodecanese Islands, including Cao and Nisiro there.

    -Haleb (Aleppo), Trablus-i Sham (Tripoli in Lebanon) and Rakka are, I believe, the three Eyalets under the same family, with the conspiring being to get Damascus/Sham as well.

    -Crimea is accurate to what Iain was intending- it's all about making sure neither the Russians nor the Poles have the advantage there.

    -Oman is as of the eventual resolution of that where Oman-Muscat takes Oman-Oman over.

    Latest updates are either late 1939/1739 or early 1990/1740 IIRC.
     
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  12. EmperorKazooKid *furiously playing the kazoo*

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    Lol, ITTL I’d be in the middle of a Warzone (northern Delaware)
     
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  13. Mikeduke324 Nintendo Fan and Ametur Vexillologist

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    This is really nice, although my OCD is getting triggered with the USA Eastern boarders. (JK!)
     
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  14. Wayside Rye Bread and Roses

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    It looks great! My only quibble is that I wish each country's colors were a bit darker, since they all seem a bit faded. Then again, I'm not a hundredth as good as... well, anyone else on this thread, really, and I totally get the need to distinguish cities, state borders, etc.
     
  15. Drakon-of-China Chief Military Cartographer

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    Kaiserreich, Dutch-wank, Greek-wank, et cetera.

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  16. Aqua817 The Means of Production

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    Make a non worlda map, they said... It'll be easy, they said...
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    In the wake of the collapse of the Srivijava Empire, the Nusantara region has become a hotbed of scientific and cultural advancement, with Chinese and Indian technology and money all flowing into the vibrant economies of the Nusantaran states. Srivijaya straggles on, and the Malacca Straight trade has become significantly more cosmopolitan. At the same time, Srivijayan administrators and learned people have worked their way back through Nusantara, with the entire region developing strong naval traditions. Even the Tiwi, a oceanically inclined Australian Aborignal tribe, have begun to quietly subjugate their neighbors in the Panggonan Cemara. The Luwu tribe has unified Sulawesi, and have begun to commit expeditions outside of their homeland. The Majapahit have been humbled by the growing power of Sunda, which has come to straddle Java and Sumatra. The Kutai and Brunei states battle it out over supremacy over the lucrative trade routes going north, and the Islamic Moro Kingdom look eagerly north, slowly drawing plans to subjugate their far weaker neighbors. The Temoq, a band of Orang ocean nomads, invaded and conquered a significant portion of the Malay peninsula, and have begun to experiment with different forms of overseas colonization. Aceh participates in vibrant trade with India, but feel threatened by the rising status of the Wehali, which had gone from being a minor Timorese petty kingdoms to arguably the strongest naval power in the region. Maluku strides across a constellation of islands, with a unique religion in their vibrant ditheistic totemism. Several minor cities and petty rulers have consolidated themselves on the east coast of the Malay peninsula as the United Cities, experiencing a boom in income.

    However, the wind is changing. A powerful Semang ruler, a leader of the original population of Malaysia, has unified the disparate Semang tribes under his rule. While for now he is content to pay lip service to the United Kingdoms, in time, he and his army would reshape the face of Nusantara, cutting off the Malacca trade from the other Nusantaran powers. This would lead to a certain Wehali sailor to try to sail east, around the dangerous powers that now blocked the straights. Little could he have known how much of an impact his one decision would have...
     
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  18. Logothétes Professional Time Waster & Party Crasher

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    This is very nice. Is there some type of Cold War situation going on between the EF and that big-ass Russia and Eastern Europe?
     
  19. Zachary VIII Russian bot

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    That's batshit crazy. And I like it.
     
  20. timmy_khagann Nomad of the Red Plains

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    And the map doesn't even have the ten million militias running around

    The SACW was a clusterfuck for everyone involved. It makes sense for the borders to reflect the SNAFU mood fo the situation. :V

    The faded colors were more of a design style--I attempted to copy the desaturated look quite a few 40's maps had. Did it work as intended? That's for you to decide.