Map Thread XVII

[Emperor-of-New-Zealand]

I assure you I'm quite serious about it. Your tastes clearly differ, which is fine, but I'd appreciate it if you kept your baseless accusations to yourself. Your opinions are not the golden standard to which all must adhere.

Simmer down, dude, there's no reason to get so defensive over a colour palette.

Edit: Also, you clearly read way too much into my comment. I didn't 'accuse' you of anything, nor did I imply my opinion was the golden standard. Clearly you have a bee in your bonnet about this colour scheme for whatever reason, so I'll leave it, but maybe don't be so melodramatic, eh?

 

[Fed]

Aside from what's already been mentioned about the OTL borders (all over the map, really), I'd also say this; not every country needs a bloody colour!

I also wouldn't direct this at you and only you; I think a lot of casual map-makers need this driven home. Colouring in a country should be done for three reasons; a) if it's got non-contiguous territory, such as overseas colonies or enclaves/exclaves, b) if the country is geopolitically important, like, say, modern-day Germany, or c) aesthetic reasons, i.e. to fill in areas that are 'too blank'. This works in any OTL or ATL map; this new trend of giving every country under the sun a colour is, in my opinion, silly, and it makes the map look crowded and 'cheap'.

Calling what almost every atlas does a new trend and "cheap" is.... weird.

 

[Keperry]

I am attempting something very original, creative, and unique that has never been done before: a graphics thread for a timeline centering around an alternate North America. Here's the map of the latest version of the setting. (Sorry for the possible incomprehensibility of the labels)

 

[Emperor-of-New-Zealand]

Calling what almost every atlas does a new trend and "cheap" is.... weird.

I don't know what atlases have to do with anything? I'm talking about the WorldA standard of maps, which has been around on this forumn longer than either of us has. Historically, atlases haven't used a colour for every country. In the age of empires they used specific colours to denote specific empires (which I advocate), and left the 'unimportant' states blank with a name label. Modern atlases use an entirely different standard of colouration, which creates more of a patchwork effect (like Reagent's Draka map); this is an entirely different thing altogether, and not really relevant to the conversation.

 

[Ephraim Ben Raphael]

I am attempting something very original, creative, and unique that has never been done before: a graphics thread for a timeline centering around an alternate North America. Here's the map of the latest version of the setting. (Sorry for the possible incomprehensibility of the labels)

I see my town. Why drop the "New" from New Helvetia?

 

[Skallagrim]

Simmer down, dude, there's no reason to get so defensive over a colour palette.

Edit: Also, you clearly read way too much into my comment. I didn't 'accuse' you of anything, nor did I imply my opinion was the golden standard. Clearly you have a bee in your bonnet about this colour scheme for whatever reason, so I'll leave it, but maybe don't be so melodramatic, eh?

Perhaps you should read my comment again, but imagine it in a calm voice. I'm not infuriated; I'd just like it very much if people didn't dismiss something I spent hours and hours on as "a shitpost" just because it's not what they like. Your wording was simply very impolite-- and continues to be so. I advise you to try showing some basic manners. It would serve you well.

 

[Keperry]

I see my town. Why drop the "New" from New Helvetia?

Because I felt like there were too many names with "New" in them already (the running theme of this timeline is flimsy reasoning for everything)

 

[ChaosCron]

Clearly you have a bee in your bonnet about this colour scheme for whatever reason, so I'll leave it, but maybe don't be so melodramatic, eh?

It's his color scheme. And you kinda just called it a shitpost.

 

[Minnesota_Nationalist]

I am attempting something very original, creative, and unique that has never been done before: a graphics thread for a timeline centering around an alternate North America. Here's the map of the latest version of the setting. (Sorry for the possible incomprehensibility of the labels)

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Ah, I'm always a fan of some good ol' Chouteau recognition

 

[Emperor-of-New-Zealand]

It's his color scheme. And you kinda just called it a shitpost.

I have PM'd him. Also, I didn't call it a shitpost, I said that when it first started that's what I thought it was. Kaiser_Jaeger asked for opinions on their map, and I offered my opinion and explained it.

 

[water123]

This is from one of our mapgames, isn't it? Where the lilac nation comprising Spain and parts of Africa is governed by Cristiano Ronaldo? And in Paneurasia (the über-Russia), "The Manchurian Candidate" tries to swerve the nation into alt-Communism?

Yes. I was going to set up a Russo-Lao Cold War after the Mexico-Germany-France alliance is defeated. I forgot that we gave a Soccer player a communist nation.

And check the 1776 Mapgame

 

[Ernak]

Yes. I was going to set up a Russo-Lao Cold War after the Mexico-Germany-France alliance is defeated. I forgot that we gave a Soccer player a communist nation.

And check the 1776 Mapgame

Lao superpower? That's new, and I like it!

 

[Ernak]

This is from one of our mapgames, isn't it? Where the lilac nation comprising Spain and parts of Africa is governed by Cristiano Ronaldo? And in Paneurasia (the über-Russia), "The Manchurian Candidate" tries to swerve the nation into alt-Communism?

Cristiano Ronaldo controls Africa. What. I'm worried for the people living there. Would they be mandate to have soccer matches?

 

[Baconheimer]

This is from one of our mapgames, isn't it? Where the lilac nation comprising Spain and parts of Africa is governed by Cristiano Ronaldo? And in Paneurasia (the über-Russia), "The Manchurian Candidate" tries to swerve the nation into alt-Communism?

What game is this from?

 

[water123]

What game is this from?

https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/1776-map-game.381447/

 

[markus meecham]

Cristiano Ronaldo controls Africa. What. I'm worried for the people living there. Would they be mandate to have soccer matches?

No, but his picture will definitely be in every house.
i mean, who wouldn't have one?

 

[CannedTech]

It's not really a map, tho. I'd say maybe drop it and figure out somewhere else to put it, like it's own thread, before a Mod decides to show up?

Also, have another WIP

Yo is that a mofuckin Progressive Alliance victory map?

Sold.

 

[Reagent]

The crucial point is how India was administered. Was it completely controlled by British? If I believe correctly Stirling had Draka control Sri Lanka.

PS when did Draka conquer the Mediterranean islands as well as canaries and Portuguese Atlantic islands?

Draka doesn't control Sri Lanka here. I don't know if British India becomes independent as a single unit, or if there is some degree of partition as OTL though.

As for the islands, Draka probably picked them off during moments of regime instability on the part of Portugal, Spain, and Italy. I don't have an exact timetable beyond "before the end of the Second World war"

By doing that, you might start Islamic fundamentalism 80 years before OTL, and making hundreds of millions of Muslims the Draka their enemy to attack. Car bombings, suicide attacks, and mass shootings could occur. You really expect the Draka to handle an entire religion now seeing them as infidels to show no mercy, with potential support from EVERY power wanting to remove a a pariah state? Mecca and Medina destroyed would cause massive problems. Rebellions would occur, fatwas declared calling for the removal of the Draka from the face of the map, martyrdom, and jihad galore. Imagine millions being raised to despise the Draka, as they destroyed the holiest cities to the faith, and would fight to the last man. Fundamentalism would spread like wildfire, and the Draka would suffer. That would be a VERY idiotic thing to do.

That's quite possible, if not a likely consequence.

Of course, a regime like Draka is probably too prideful and arrogant of their self-believed "superiority" that they probably have committed a number of unnecessary errors like this, making their country much harder to govern.

Is the language you used Dutch?

Afrikaans for the most part. There are influences from other languages though.

 

[Red Arturoist]

No, but his picture will definitely be in every house.
i mean, who wouldn't have one?

Also, why not make soccer more than a national sport? Soccer education mandatory in schools, for example, and state support for soccer teams/leagues?

EDIT: It could even be that soccer matches in the lower leagues are mandatory and the players paid (fully or with a good extra income in order to be able to reduce their hours on other jobs) by the state.

And as it's a communist nation, maybe every employer has a mandatory soccer team too?

 

[Crying]

I am attempting something very original, creative, and unique that has never been done before: a graphics thread for a timeline centering around an alternate North America. Here's the map of the latest version of the setting. (Sorry for the possible incomprehensibility of the labels)

That god damn Rio Grande border...

Aside from what's already been mentioned about the OTL borders (all over the map, really), I'd also say this; not every country needs a bloody colour!

I also wouldn't direct this at you and only you; I think a lot of casual map-makers need this driven home. Colouring in a country should be done for three reasons; a) if it's got non-contiguous territory, such as overseas colonies or enclaves/exclaves, b) if the country is geopolitically important, like, say, modern-day Germany, or c) aesthetic reasons, i.e. to fill in areas that are 'too blank'. This works in any OTL or ATL map; this new trend of giving every country under the sun a colour is, in my opinion, silly, and it makes the map look crowded and 'cheap'.

I disagree, honestly. I always felt like leaving countries uncoloured was lazy and boring, especially if there were lots of them on the map. Plus, y'know, strictly adhering to "only some countries get colours" thing can create some serious problems if the TL the map is depicting is seriously divergent from ours - I remember somebody (don't remember who, might have been quantumbranching) covering a map of a timeline where you had majorly different ethnic makeup of the world and they ended up with only about 3 or 4 countries getting coloured, leaving most of the countries on the map blank.