Map Thread XVII

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It's the Curse of the Exotic that so many prosperous societies suffer from; the same instinct that once compelled Europeans to write entire sagas on the fantastic machinations of despicable Sultans and their utterly reprehensible excesses now galvanizes the modern, more subtle intrigue that has birthed cyberpunk, YA fiction, and other works that depict incredibly abject settings, not because we have some sort of masochistic obsession with dystopian depravity, but because such horrifying conditions--whether they be economic, cultural, or political--are just so alien when juxtaposed with our mundane affluence.

I'd go with "mundane lives" rather than "mundane affluence" - do Midwestern assembly line chicken-gutters not read YA fiction? :biggrin:
 
I'd go with "mundane lives" rather than "mundane affluence" - do Midwestern assembly line chicken-gutters not read YA fiction? :biggrin:
Aaaaaand now I'm imagining some wide eyed chicken gutter secretly tucked away somewhere during break, completely consumed in the escapades of Katniss Everdeen.

Kind of adorable, actually.
 
The map is pretty much done, just gotta do the key and the notes. Any advice/critique/criticism is appreciated.

Aside from what's already been mentioned about the OTL borders (all over the map, really), I'd also say this; not every country needs a bloody colour! :p

I also wouldn't direct this at you and only you; I think a lot of casual map-makers need this driven home. Colouring in a country should be done for three reasons; a) if it's got non-contiguous territory, such as overseas colonies or enclaves/exclaves, b) if the country is geopolitically important, like, say, modern-day Germany, or c) aesthetic reasons, i.e. to fill in areas that are 'too blank'. This works in any OTL or ATL map; this new trend of giving every country under the sun a colour is, in my opinion, silly, and it makes the map look crowded and 'cheap'.
 
Personally, I'm not disturbed by this one: the sheer number of detailed Nazi-wank maps out there, on the other hand...what's with our obsession with those delusional shit-stains?

Because it's interesting. No one wants to hear about some powerful Bhutan state, but the state is made more 'spicy' if it's a doomsday Buddhist state with some pain in it. We have dystopian states in this world like North Korea, but the thing is they show how far we can go with something. North Korea has death camps, personality cults, and propaganda. Draka has serfdom/slave species. 1984 has complete control. Most states follow he pattern of some oppression or poverty or are just bland democracies. These states can be unique in how utterly fucked up the world can become. 1984, Brave New World, Draka. They show how far an idea can go, how an ideology or idea can be taken to logical extreme. Most states have this standard system of general democratic governance (or appear to be), but these states show how insane it can get.
 
Because it's interesting. No one wants to hear about some powerful Bhutan state, but the state is made more 'spicy' if it's a doomsday Buddhist state with some pain in it.

Well, personally I'd be more interested in reading about a powerful Bhutan that's a civilized nation rather than a tedious doomsday Buddhist cult cliche, [1] but de gustibus non disputandum est.

[1] If I want to read about imaginatively screwed up societies, I can always reread Green Antarctica. :biggrin:
 
Well, personally I'd be more interested in reading about a powerful Bhutan that's a civilized nation rather than a tedious doomsday Buddhist cult cliche, [1] but de gustibus non disputandum est.

[1] If I want to read about imaginatively screwed up societies, I can always reread Green Antarctica. :biggrin:

Well you have to be smart with dystopia. Cant be cliche with it.
 
Karabakh is even here, but how? Cursed place :D
Lots of Armenians live in Russia so when Moscow was marking down settler plots based on historic claims between them and Muslim settlers moving into the former Azerbaijan there was a big mess as to which subnational republic should get what. When the civil war hit things got even messier.
 
Aside from what's already been mentioned about the OTL borders (all over the map, really), I'd also say this; not every country needs a bloody colour!
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I also wouldn't direct this at you and only you; I think a lot of casual map-makers need this driven home. Colouring in a country should be done for three reasons; a) if it's got non-contiguous territory, such as overseas colonies or enclaves/exclaves, b) if the country is geopolitically important, like, say, modern-day Germany, or c) aesthetic reasons, i.e. to fill in areas that are 'too blank'. This works in any OTL or ATL map; this new trend of giving every country under the sun a colour is, in my opinion, silly, and it makes the map look crowded and 'cheap'.

Never really thought of it that way... Makes sense to be honest. Would you recommend coloring spheres of influence or just leaving minors blank?
 
This map is very well made in a technical sense, so I commend you for that.

I often feel uneasy about professional-looking AH maps like that depict evil regimes (including Nazi victory scenarios, longer-lived CSAs, etc) because the quality of the work stands in stark contrast to the fundamental horror of the subject material. Now, I don't mean to say that hateful ideologies are legitimized by this sort of thing or that maps depicting awful subjects shouldn't be made; they serve a purpose, both artistically and in a narrative sense. But there are some neofascist or white supremacist types who would unabashedly support the depicted subject material, and the idea of such a person solidifying or validating their ideology via seeing this map makes me a little bit nervous.

Again, I want to emphasize that I can separate the artist from the art, and that I'm not passing judgment on the intent or anything like that. Just wanted to express my thoughts. I hope this is the right place for a comment like this - I would be interested in hearing other points of view on the issue.
To be fair, someone trying to use a map like this unironically is quickly gonna get told to btfo by everyone, if because after a while (at least IMO) the Draka books themselves stop being scary after a while and more predictable and boring. The Draka never loose. Theres no internal movement for the liberation of slaves being crushed. Everyone in the whole country is a-ok with the whole "enslave everyone" thing. And ultimately they're gonna look like a frothing idiot. It would be like if an African nationalist said "ya know who we should be like? The Ts'alal!"

Personally, I'm not disturbed by this one: the sheer number of detailed Nazi-wank maps out there, on the other hand...what's with our obsession with those delusional shit-stains?
To be fair, WWII is one of the most accessible and well taught wars, and so people tend to know a bit more about WWII than most other points in history. Information on it is readily available, and to most people WWII is the last time the USA was in actual danger during a war. Plus, I know I said this befor red, but in the USA it's one of the few wars that's not taught in massive brushstrokes, with far more time devoted to it than, say, the Phillipine Independence War which, even in my APUSH class, literally only was addressed for 3 sentences.
 
Well, personally I'd be more interested in reading about a powerful Bhutan that's a civilized nation rather than a tedious doomsday Buddhist cult cliche, [1] but de gustibus non disputandum est.

[1] If I want to read about imaginatively screwed up societies, I can always reread Green Antarctica. :biggrin:
to be honest, i've always thought that the obsession with the fucked up was this little nagging feeling that's actually pretty hard to imagine a world where things are universally better for everyone.
but idk, might be just me lmao
 
The map is pretty much done, just gotta do the key and the notes. Any advice/critique/criticism is appreciated.

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The colours of the empires are far too similar: Is Western Africa/the Sahara a huge Russian or a huge Galicio-Asturian colony/empire? And East Africa is part of Italy, and not the Ottoman Empire or Arabia, right?
 
Aside from what's already been mentioned about the OTL borders (all over the map, really), I'd also say this; not every country needs a bloody colour! :p

I also wouldn't direct this at you and only you; I think a lot of casual map-makers need this driven home. Colouring in a country should be done for three reasons; a) if it's got non-contiguous territory, such as overseas colonies or enclaves/exclaves, b) if the country is geopolitically important, like, say, modern-day Germany, or c) aesthetic reasons, i.e. to fill in areas that are 'too blank'. This works in any OTL or ATL map; this new trend of giving every country under the sun a colour is, in my opinion, silly, and it makes the map look crowded and 'cheap'.

THANK YOU. Someone's finally said it!
 
Never really thought of it that way... Makes sense to be honest. Would you recommend coloring spheres of influence or just leaving minors blank?

I guess it depends on what you mean by spheres of influence. Like, the Warsaw Pact was pretty firmly in the Soviet pocket, and that's worth depicting on a map because it's pretty important to the Cold War world.
 
The colours of the empires are far too similar: Is Western Africa/the Sahara a huge Russian or a huge Galicio-Asturian colony/empire? And East Africa is part of Italy, and not the Ottoman Empire or Arabia, right?

... West Africa is Russian and East Africa is Italian. The colors were from SUCK and I tried to use non-conflicting colors but....
 
Would close allies/client states/colonies count?

Colonies are typically non-contiguous territory, so yes, you'd colour those in. With clients/allies, it really depends on the map itself. Are they important to the map? If so, then colour them in. If not, then there's no need.

Also, there are better colour schemes than SUCK. Honestly, my impression of SUCK was that it was a colour scheme shitpost, but then people started using it.
 

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Colonies are typically non-contiguous territory, so yes, you'd colour those in. With clients/allies, it really depends on the map itself. Are they important to the map? If so, then colour them in. If not, then there's no need.

Also, there are better colour schemes than SUCK. Honestly, my impression of SUCK was that it was a colour scheme shitpost, but then people started using it.

I assure you I'm quite serious about it. Your tastes clearly differ, which is fine, but I'd appreciate it if you kept your baseless accusations to yourself. Your opinions are not the golden standard to which all must adhere.
 
It's not really a map, tho. I'd say maybe drop it and figure out somewhere else to put it, like it's own thread, before a Mod decides to show up?

Also, have another WIP
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This is from one of our mapgames, isn't it? Where the lilac nation comprising Spain and parts of Africa is governed by Cristiano Ronaldo? And in Paneurasia (the über-Russia), "The Manchurian Candidate" tries to swerve the nation into alt-Communism?
 
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