Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Upvoteanthology, Sep 20, 2017.
My attempt at a United Arab State:
would still be unstable and war torn due to tribal, ethnic, religious and ideological differences even with all the money
Never said it wouldn't be!
Mainly just based it on the McMahon-Hussein Correspondence.
True, but I really doubt it, I mean the Saudis and Wahabbis are still there, that well be atleast one source of tensions.
Pretty much. As much talk people go into something like a Unite Arab State, or League, they forgetting about all thousands of tribal, ethnic, religious and ideological differences each Arab group has from the other.
And poor Walter Mondale will still lose in 1984.
It'll be a very interesting election. I've been thinking on who Reagan would tap for VP with this disaster in mind. Bush would be a solid choice but that might give Texas too much strength (oil just became a lot more prevalent). I was thinking that in order to win the Southwest he might have to run with Goldwater. Sure, Bush might run in opposition but if Reagan offered him Secretary of Defense that might stop him.
Arabia - US, possibly
Arabia was the India analog, but everything else is correct.
As some might remember, I made a map of Sweden back in December. Well, I've redone it for the latest update of my timeline, and I must say I'm pretty happy with the new version
Pretty much new to this site, don't know if this is alright to post here. Sorry if I'm doing this wrong.
Image cropped and shrunk to be small enough, full image here, plus more explanation in the thread below - https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarym...tide_thousand_week_reich_double_blind_whatif/
Made a double-blind what if scenario in the form of an alternate history book's front cover and prologue page which exists inside my Thousand-Week Reich Nazi victory scenario that I made to be as realistic as possible that is also being made into a HOI4 mod based on it.
Rest of the scenario https://www.reddit.com/r/AP246/comments/7ch604/the_thousandweek_reich_a_realistic_nazi_victory/,
hoi4 mod: http://reddit.com/r/twrmod
Ah, I see. Still pretty cool. Would not mind seeing a world base around it.
Life must not be easy in this ATL Poland and Finland.
Is this ATL Yugoslavia neutral as Austria or as OTL Yugoslavia?
i think the east asian coast (especially in Korea-Japan bits) are kinda wrong
This is my first proper map. I tried to stay plausable.
Main idea is IOTL between 1825 and 1830 Russia got over Decembrist Revolt, War with Persia, War with Ottomans and November Uprising. What if all of them happened at the same time?
Inspired by this and this.
POD: 1825 Tsar Alexander didn't get typhus thus didn't die. This caused delayed but stronger decembrist movement.
1826 - Due to Tsar focused Greek Revolt, Russo-Persian border incidents didn't escalated to war thus Russo-Persian War avoided.
1828/03 - Russo-Ottoman War begins as per OTL.
1828/05 - Persia don't let this opportunity pass, declares war on Russia.
1828/12 - Tsar Alexander dies after hearing Persia-Ottoman victories. Decembrist Revolution begins.
1828/12 - After 3 weeks chaos, Decembrist's achieves victory. So called Tsar Nicholas executed, Konstantin ascendes thorne.
1829/03 Tsar Konstantin dies mysteriously. Leader of Southern Faction, colonel Pavel Pastel tries coup but fails, this causes civil war between Northern Faction(Moderates, Constutional Monarchists) and Southern Faction(Radicals, Republicans).
1829/08 - Russo / Ottoman-Persian War ends with Ottoman-Persian Victory.
1829/09 - Treaty of Erevan. Persia takes Azerbaijan, Eastern Georgia and Dagestan.
1829/09 - Treaty of Poti. Ottomans take Baserabia, Abkhazia and Western Georgia.
1829/10 Ottomans accept London Protocol due to Anglo-French pressure.
1829/11 Greece formed as autonomous principilaty under Ottoman suzerainty
1830 - Revolutions of 1830 go on as per OTL except November Uprising and Belgium independence.
1830/01 - Despite Constantin's objections Northern Faction decided using Polish Army, this causes January Uprising a.k.a Polish War of Independence.
1830/05 - Sweden intervened Russian Civil War, starts slowly invade Finland.
1830/06 - Uprisings started in Crimea and Cirkassia againist Russian rule.
1830/08 - Convention of Kars. Ottomans and Persia co-operates in order to assist Seikh Shamil.
1830/09 -Anglo-Ottoman intervention on Crimea begins.
1830/10 Anglo-Ottoman forces begins assist to Tatar, Cossack and Polish insurgents.
1830/12 - London Conference of 1830. Great powers accepted Talleyrand-Wellington partition plan. France gets Wallonia, Netherlands keeps Flemish, Prussia gets Luxembourg.
1831/06 Ottomans took Hotin. Land connection between Poland and Ottoman Empire is ensured.
1831/09- Anglo-Ottoman forces completed invansion of Yedisan, Crimea and Taman Peninsula.
1831/09 - Congress Poland won War of Independence. Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth reestablished.
1831/10 Egypt/Ottoman War begins as per OTL. İbrahim Pasha's forces starts invasion of Syria.
1831/12 - Ciscaucasia liberated from Russian yoke. Caucasian Federation formed, Seikh Shamil becomes Emir of new state.
1832/03 - Northern Faction won RCW. Civil war leaved behind 1 million crippled and 2 million deaths and devestated country in chaos.
1832/03 Colonel Pavel Pastel, the leader of the Southern Faction fleed to Persia.
1832/03 Serfdom abolished.
1832/03 - Great Powers convenes a conferance in order to redraw Eastern European borders.
1832/04 - After Conferance of Vienna great powers recognized independence of PLC, Crimea and Caucasia. In exchange of Polish retreat from Ukraine, Cossack Hetmante got autonomy. In exchange of Swedish retreat from Baltics, United Baltic Duchy formed under Russian suzeranity. Cossack Hetmante and United Baltic Duchy possess own armies and assemblies also Russiam army won't enter these countries unless an attack from foreign power. Ottomans evacuated Taman and Crimean Peninsula and Yedisan in exchange of indemnity also Ottomans keept Hotin. Russia accepted demilitarization of Azov and Black Sea.
1832/08 - Last revolters subdued. Russia subjagates minor revolts and restores order. Meanwhile famine in Northern and Middle Russia goes on.
1832/11 Egypt defeated Ottomans in Konya and captured grand vizier as per OTL Ottomans ask for help from France and Britain.
1832/12 France refused to help. UK offers to help Ottomans in exchange of Greek Independence, however sultan refused this offer and ask for help from Persia.
1833/01 Ottoman-Persia alliance againist Egypt formed. On condition that Persia gained economic privilages and sphere of influance in Persian Gulf (ITTL Fath-Ali Shah Qajar died early thus Abbas Mirza succeed to the throne and began modernization of Persia).
1833/04 Ottoman-Persia / Egypt war begins.
1833 - PLC, Sweden and Ottoman Empire formed defensive alliance againist Russia.
1833(2) - France guaranteed independence of PLC.
1833(3)- Great Russian Famine of 1831-33 ended, leaved behind 5 million death.
1834/06 Ottoman-Persian alliance defeated Egypt.
1834/07 - Treaty of Beiurt. Kavalali Mehmed Ali Pasha losses Syria, Hejaz and Crete on the other hand keeps Egypt as a autonomous khedivate(viceroy) and keeps own dynasty. Mehmed Ali accepted paying tribute to Ottomans and war indemnity to Persia. Also Egypt limited its Army to 100k(30k peacetime army, 70k reserves) and limited its Navy to half of Ottoman fleet.
1835 - Current situation, map depicts 1835.
From 1833 to 1848 Russia undergoes radical reforms, starts build decent infrastructure and begins state sponsored industrialization. Also institutes a more or less liberal consituion and duma. By 1848 Russia had fairly modernized and industrialized country.
1848 - Revolutions of 1848 begins.
To be continued.
I can attest to being inspired by @What am I doing
The Rumelian Federation (1908-Present):
America's greatest ally in the Middle East and the Balkans, a nuclear power, one of the world's greatest economies and militaries; the Rumelian Federation. Its creation lies in the demise of its predecessor; the Ottoman Empire. Rumelia was created by the stalemate between the Young Turk Movement and the absolutist Ottoman Sultan Abdul Hamid II. Before 1908 Ottoman Empire was named "the Sick Man of Europe" despite managing to onto their European territories by giving the Serbs and the Bulgars autonomy along with crushing the Greek rebels. In 1908 Sultan ordered a return to absolutism and Sharia instead of the constitution. In an effort to return the constitution the Young Turk Movement along with the local military forces in Macedonia (center of the Young Turks is Thessaloniki) marched on the capital. while seeing success they couldn't make the Sultan agree with them so Abdul Hamid retreated to Anatolia where after a few months of staring at each other from the each side of the Bosporus the sides agreed to a peace. The Ottoman Empire would proceed to lose Libya to the Italians and stay an absolutist state that is undeveloped. On the other side of the Straits the Rumelian Federation was founded with Turkish and Greek being official languages with a secular constitution and its flag with its red, white, blue; its cross, crescent and the three stars symbolizing the Turks, the Greeks and the Slavs (Serbian and Bulgarian principalities overthrown and replaced with autonomous republics.). The nation would modernize under the rule of the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP) and began to democratize. During the Great War the Federation stayed neutral at the start but would join later on the Entente's side against the Central Powers. Autonomous Republic of Serbia would gain the territory of Vojvodina, Croatia and Slovenia would become Autonomous Republics of the Federation. A new star was added to the flag separating the Bulgarians from the rest of the South Slavs. Capital was moved from Thessaloniki to Constantinople and the Ottoman Monarchy was restored in a purely ceremonial and religious role (as they are still the Caliphs of Islam). the Kurdistan region became a Anglo-Franco-Rumelian condominium which was divided into three regions where one country would be more prominent than the others. Mustafa Kemal (a war hero) would be elected prime minister instead of Enver Pasha despite both being from the same party (CUP) in year 1925. he would go on to introduce Greek alphabet for Turkish and Slavic languages in order to make everything in one alphabet and gave women the right to vote. Later he left CUP and created the social democratic (and republican of course) Republican Peoples Party (RPP) other large parties are the far-left Rumelian Socialist Party (RSP), the liberal Freedom and Accord Party (FAP), the monarchist Ottoman Party (OP) and the several different national parties. During his second term (election of 1930) he passed the surname law and thew hat law. the Federation westernized and new stars for Slovenes, Bosnians, Croatians and Serbians were added to the flag. During World War Two Rumelia stayed neutral until Operation Barbarossa. Much of the European territories were occupied by the Axis though after the Battle of Stalingrad Rumelians begin to push the Axis back. After the End of the war İsmet İnönü (Mustafa Kemal's successor after his death in 1938 and taking over his term and being elected in 1940 as the head of the national unity government of RPP, CUP, FAP) becomes a national hero (which means the RPP spin-off Democratic Party is nipped in the bud by the RPP-FAP coalition). Hungary was divided into a Communist Peoples Republic of (East) Hungary and the democratic Republic of (West) Hungary and the Rumelian and the Syrian Kurdistan join Rumelia as an Autonomous Republic with western parts of it (mostly populated by Turks) is annexed as a province (Antioch-Cilicia). Iraqi Kurdistan becomes a condominium of Rumelia, UK and Iraq. Before the Iraqi revolution against the Hashemite monarchy the Condominium was divided between an independent Kurdish republic and Iraq. Internal borders in Europe were redrawn and three new stars were added in the flag symbolising the Kurds, the Arabs and Albanians. The Federation later joined the EU and NATO and developed nuclear weapons.
It looks weird even to me, but I'm fairly sure it's mostly the projection's distortion that makes it look weird to us. I used an equirectangular map to initially switch the relevant regions, then re-projected the result to that it fit with the Q-Bam, and started re-drawing the detailed coastline by hand, using a lot of references. I'm sure I made a lot of small errors in that latter process, but the general shape and location of the various coastlines and islands and such should be correct.
Yeah, not good in Poland, though remember its a double blind what if, so at least it's better than their otl.
Yeah, Yugoslavia is neutral in the map. Had the idea of making it a coalition government between all the groups leading the resistance against the Nazis, led by Tito's communists.
I think Tito OTL wanted to create a Balkan commie federation including Bulgaria, but the Soviets nixed it.
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