Map Thread XVII

[AlternateMan]

World without the bomb:

After the US invasion, the Japanese government and a large chunk of their military goes into exile to Manchuria (red), stopping it from being invaded and expanding into the rest of China (green). The Soviet union is in trouble in europe and sees the tides turning in China (aswell as a Sino-Soviet split) and decides to ally up with Manchuria, who is also disgruntled, hates the US and is mostly allyless.

 

[Imperator Frank]

Just a quick question, which version of a rump Prussia is more visually appealing to you?

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[Crying]

Another quick question: which version of Japanese Empire do you prefer? Both visually and realistically? Thanks.

2nd one is more realistic (if they're in that powerful of a situation, they have little reason to not annex Korea) and I have no real visual preference.

 

[CelticSky99]

Here's a map of an alternate English county of Lancashire, the county is given three "administrative areas" similar to the three ridings of Yorkshire, instead of loosing Greater Manchester,Merseyside,Barrow-in-furness,Warrington & Widnes, as happened in OTL.

This was actualy, proposed by Lancashire county council in OTL just after ww2 but never implemented.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1N8eu6KnIIFG4QmSepJqqjgjxvruDX3o5&usp=sharing
I made it with google custom maps! The borders of the county and the boroughs are quite rough as i kinda just followed rivers and brooks wherever i could xP

 

[Clandango]

Another quick question: which version of Japanese Empire do you prefer? Both visually and realistically? Thanks.

For both map sets of maps, the WIP thread might be better, to allow more indepth discussions. Anyways, what are the precise dates for each map? I am guessing the two are going to be from the same world. Switzerland should be blue as Napoleon invaded and later pushed to decentralize them again, with himself as Mediator, and the Rhine probably should show internal boundaries, though that might be a matter of preference. I think the British had multiple islands in the Mediterranean by whatever time this was. Ahhh, and perhaps have formerly Swedish Pomerania go to Denmark here? As a part of a series of trades, though I suppose that the Armed Neutrality League might not have been started or ended quite yet here. Also, what has Prussia already lost in these maps? Did they join up with the French to seize Hanover and much of northern Germany only to lose it later and did the Austrians get Silesia back, or did they always have it? Almost a shame the Wettins didn't get the North of it, but having some Saxon-Thuriringian-Silesian-Lusatian-Polish line of territories for one related dynasty might not have been in the interest of the French. Ahhh, and I see the dot where you gave Andorra to France. As the area is so small, perhaps a dot should be made in the center of where the pixel would originally be ont he map, basically making it a straight line.

As for the map of Asia, I kind of prefer the top one for aesthetics reasons, though think that the Japanese should also snag the Port Arthur/Darien area, and a few treaty ports across the Chinese coast, perhaps trying to become the main people who deal with Chinese exports. Maybe Korea would even expand northward said into Korean populated areas. Still, it would come down to how fast things were going, when they got Korea, etc, and if they see them as an ally, brothers, or a colony. Ahhh, and I don't know if the French would get much in the way of ports in the Spratley Islands. These days to get those I think the Chinese and others ship in loads of cement in order to make things that are solid and not blasted away during monsoons.

 

[XO Maenadicus]

A map of speakers of Pomeranian and neighbouring languages.

Some of the less transparent terms:

sancansio /san'kançɔ/ duchy, from sanćpa "duke" and cansio "country"

cescansio /kɛs'kançɔ/ kingdom, from ces "monarch" and cansio "country"

czlocsamia /tʃɫɔc'samʲa/ lagoon, from czloc "beach" and samia "lake" (diminutive of sam "sea")

 

[Analytical Engine]

Here's a map of an alternate English county of Lancashire, the county is given three "administrative areas" similar to the three ridings of Yorkshire, instead of loosing Greater Manchester,Merseyside,Barrow-in-furness,Warrington & Widnes, as happened in OTL.

This was actualy, proposed by Lancashire county council in OTL just after ww2 but never implemented.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1N8eu6KnIIFG4QmSepJqqjgjxvruDX3o5&usp=sharing
I made it with google custom maps! The borders of the county and the boroughs are quite rough as i kinda just followed rivers and brooks wherever i could xP

Can you upload it onto the site, please? The link requires permission to access the google drive account.

 

[Clandango]

Here's a map of an alternate English county of Lancashire, the county is given three "administrative areas" similar to the three ridings of Yorkshire, instead of loosing Greater Manchester,Merseyside,Barrow-in-furness,Warrington & Widnes, as happened in OTL.

This was actualy, proposed by Lancashire county council in OTL just after ww2 but never implemented.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1N8eu6KnIIFG4QmSepJqqjgjxvruDX3o5&usp=sharing
I made it with google custom maps! The borders of the county and the boroughs are quite rough as i kinda just followed rivers and brooks wherever i could xP

And now I am musing over the possibility of someone naming a city Swimmingpool. Ahh, fun with names.

 

[Oxander]

The year was 1204.

Super neat scenario, great map, but... that script in the legend was incredibly hard to read. Like have a headache now, but was determined to finish because, again, I really quite like what you've done here.

Also, why is Normandy the only area of France not in the HRE? Indeed, what is going on in Normandy?

 

[killertahu22]

View attachment 388866 ladies, gentleman, theythemmers, and anyone else, i present:
the 5th edition of butterflies not included
is it better than the past 4?
i guess so

Wow these colors are beautiful
May I use them?

 

[Clandango]

Wow these colors are beautiful
May I use them?

I think he made a map with a standard color key, followed by applying a filter.

 

[Oliveia]

Crossposting from my MOTF submission:

DECLINE OF GERMANIC RELATIONS POST-GREAT WAR
Following the victory of the Central Powers in the Great War, it appeared that Europe was destined for equilibrium. Western Europe was pretty much entirely left as part of status quo, while Eastern Europe saw herself split and strewn apart by Menshevik Russia having to give up the War. These Eastern states had pro-Germanic* governments set up (although the Central Powers really did not care for what government was installed unless if they wanted freedom from Germanic interests, leading to countries like the White Ruthenian Soviet State). However, the most important of these new states would be the Kingdom of Poland. This country laid herself out as a future catalyst for the deterioration of Germanic relations. Following the Treaty of Belgrade (the treaty that ended the Great War), both Austria-Hungary and Germany agreed to place Archduke Charles Stephen into power as King of Poland. The Kaiser used this peaceful period to begin what was then referred to the Project Pax Germanica, a colonial policy involving sending Poles systematically to labor camps and replacing them with Germans. This policy also applied to Poles in Polish-inhabited provinces in Germany. This policy triggered the creation of the Society of Polish Unity (SPU/TJP), a terrorist-activist group who tried to free Poland from Germanic influence. The most influential of these events would be the assassination of Charles Stephen and his son in 1924. This event split Germany and Austria-Hungary, with both sides trying to decide on an heir to the throne. Both countries began to challenge the others legitimacy, with propaganda heralding the Austro-Hungarians as the true heirs of Germany, with German propaganda displaying a proud, Bismarck-esque, caricature of Germany fighting against a clammy, conservative old man as an allegory for Austria. As both sides warily began to prepare for war, the people began to become disillusioned with their leaders, seeing them more and more as greedy and corrupt politicians who were spoiled by the times of war, and began revolting. Socialists rose in Berlin, proposing a German Soviet State or a German republican state. Hungarians rose against their Austrian masters, and Slavs likewise to their Hungarian masters. By the dawn of the third decade of the twentieth century, it had become unclear how long either nation would stand, and if War was on the horizon once more.​

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*Germanic is a generic term referring to both Austria-Hungary and the German Reich.​

And just as a fun fact, this idea came from an old, old map of mine. Here's that map:

It's not canon to the timeline any more. I might make a new worlda out of this timeline, though.

 

[DPKdebator]

Not any particular scenario, just an idea I had to draw a "modernized old Europe," with the main points of interest being a divided Germany (though the HRE lives on as the German Confederation), Italy, and Greece, a confederation of Irish clans, a surviving Granada, and Gothic/Greek Crimea.

 

[CelticSky99]

Can you upload it onto the site, please? The link requires permission to access the google drive account.

oh sorry! never done this before actualy xP I did something with the permisions so i think anyone who clicks the link can now access it

And now I am musing over the possibility of someone naming a city Swimmingpool. Ahh, fun with names.

Ah swimmingpool! that great industrial city, centre of the Atlantean water industry, yes

 

[Oxander]

I'm not sure what I'm doing here. But it's therapeutic.

 

[Deleted member 111631]

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I'm not sure what I'm doing here. But it's therapeutic.

Oooh. Pastels!

 

[Analytical Engine]

oh sorry! never done this before actualy xP I did something with the permisions so i think anyone who clicks the link can now access it

Ok, that's pretty cool.

Though, there's an awful lot of people in South Lancashire. IIRC, there was a plan to split Lancashire into five parts.

 

[Cool-Eh]

On a small ship returning from Mexico, a priest was not able to stop coughing. He had been working with the natives for six months, who had fallen sick from some disease. He groaned and fell back into bed. He felt his head. Fever. He would have to send for a medicus when he arrived in Europe. He looked at himself in the mirror, and, to his surprise, saw a trickle of blood leave his ear. He felt it. It was real. He shook his head. Someone must have cursed him in Mexico too. Oh well, he thought to himself, sitting back down. Soon I will be home, with friends again, and things will be better. And little did he know, as he set foot in Galicia, that he would doom 70% of Europe.

This was very, very neat. What a cliffhanger! Will there be a sequel? Georgian Siberia is cool, but will they make it all the way to the far east?

 

[CelticSky99]

Ok, that's pretty cool.

Though, there's an awful lot of people in South Lancashire. IIRC, there was a plan to split Lancashire into five parts.

wow! i've never seen that before, thanks for the link! I might try something with that later!

 

[koa_dan]

For both map sets of maps, the WIP thread might be better, to allow more indepth discussions. Anyways, what are the precise dates for each map? I am guessing the two are going to be from the same world. Switzerland should be blue as Napoleon invaded and later pushed to decentralize them again, with himself as Mediator, and the Rhine probably should show internal boundaries, though that might be a matter of preference. I think the British had multiple islands in the Mediterranean by whatever time this was. Ahhh, and perhaps have formerly Swedish Pomerania go to Denmark here? As a part of a series of trades, though I suppose that the Armed Neutrality League might not have been started or ended quite yet here. Also, what has Prussia already lost in these maps? Did they join up with the French to seize Hanover and much of northern Germany only to lose it later and did the Austrians get Silesia back, or did they always have it? Almost a shame the Wettins didn't get the North of it, but having some Saxon-Thuriringian-Silesian-Lusatian-Polish line of territories for one related dynasty might not have been in the interest of the French. Ahhh, and I see the dot where you gave Andorra to France. As the area is so small, perhaps a dot should be made in the center of where the pixel would originally be ont he map, basically making it a straight line.

As for the map of Asia, I kind of prefer the top one for aesthetics reasons, though think that the Japanese should also snag the Port Arthur/Darien area, and a few treaty ports across the Chinese coast, perhaps trying to become the main people who deal with Chinese exports. Maybe Korea would even expand northward said into Korean populated areas. Still, it would come down to how fast things were going, when they got Korea, etc, and if they see them as an ally, brothers, or a colony. Ahhh, and I don't know if the French would get much in the way of ports in the Spratley Islands. These days to get those I think the Chinese and others ship in loads of cement in order to make things that are solid and not blasted away during monsoons.

Thanks for the very detailed feedback, I would need to put some more thoughts into it.