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1592 (100 years after the Reorganization of Atlantis and Africa)

The Ottoman Empire is ascendant.

The Peace of Aeaea has confirmed the new order of Europe: The Alps serve to divide Christendom from Dar al-Islam. The Siege of Vienna came and went, with the Ottomans marching through the Gates and sending the Hapsburg court fleeing for Italy. Large piles of silver enticed the cooperation of the local merchant class in Italy as well of that of several minor nobles and the Duke of Bavaria. After the Venetians negotiated a surrender, all roads led to Rome for the Ottomans. The unstoppable tide of the Sultan crashed upon the gates to Rome and a seven nation army couldn't hold it back. The Papacy fled to Avignon, and though Catholic Church of Rome is autocephalus, The Ottomans keep the clergy under much tighter control than their Eastern Orthodox cousins. Spanish efforts to retake the Italian Peninsula have been bloody and futile. The Spanish invasion of 1574 was such a military disaster, the Spanish, against the wishes of the Pope in Avignon and signed peace on the Venetian island of Aeaea[1]. The Hapsburgs and France refused to sign, but were unable to launch serious counter attacks through the well-defended Alpine passes (on numerous occasions, the Turks blasted the side of a mountain to bring down avalanches upon their foes). Despite infrequent rebellions, the economic prosperity and pro-merchant policies have softened the Christian resistance to Muslim rule from the populace.

In the Andes, the mit'a system has worked wonders for the Ottomans, with various Andean suzerain states paying tribute in potatoes and silver. Conversion to Islam was achieved quickly when Ottoman medical doctors were able to save the life of the Sapu Inca, though actual Islamization of the populace took time and did involve violence. Horses and camels have aided the expansion of the Ottomans and their Quechua allies through South America. The desire for slaves has incentivized the Mapuche and other tribes in the periphery to start slave raids against their neighbors.

In the Indian Ocean, swords have clashed with the Siamese in the Straits of Malacca, the Portuguese in the southern seas, and the Mughals in Gujarat. Ottoman efforts to keep the Iberian powers marginal in the Indian Ocean has been relatively successful, with the Spanish and Portuguese struggling to gain a foothold in the Moluccas.

Spain and Portugal have divided the known world between them, with Spain taking the Pacific and North Atlantic, Portugal taking the Indian and South Atlantic.

The North Atlantic Ring stretches from San Lorenzo[2] in the north to the African colonies, and across the sea to the holdings in Atlantis[3], primarily a market driven by slaves, salt, tobacco, and gold. Tobacco is grown along the African coast, while Conquistadors move into the Sahara to gain a monopoly over the gold and salt trade. Slaves are secured from across the empire, particularly in Africa where a reverse devshirme ensures a constant supply of young men to serve the Spanish king. The Egyptian-West Venetian alliance has held firm, and with the creation of the pirate state of Quizquayya[4] has served to hamper Spanish expansion in the Caribbean. The Aztec interregnum has finally ended, but the king is (rightfully) distrustful of the foreigners, and has tried to consolidate the state and turn the imported technologies against the invaders.

The South Atlantic ring is less complete, but is more reliant on slavery, with the Portuguese taking African slaves across the Atlantic world, even going to the Indian ocean and selling them in Muscat and Aden. The Kingdom of Kongo, recovering from a period of civil war and famine, has been preying on refugees traveling north to escape the cold, and has been expanding into the disappearing rainforest. Viseu y Beja [5] are profitable tobacco islands, and their population is growing quickly.

The Indian Ocean Ring is much less secure than OTL, with the Ottomans outright controlling most of the Atlantean coasts and being active participants in the rest of the Indian Ocean. The Portuguese are much more reliant on their Indian colonies, and have been reminded every so often by local powers that they are guests.

The Pacific Ring is steadily becoming more important to the Spanish as the years role on. The depopulation of the southern cone of Africa has allowed Spanish settlement of the area around Australija[6] and Puerta de Esperanza[7], and the Spanish have looted and occupied the Swahili coast city states, slowly draining them of timber and slaves. The Spanish finally found their Prester John in Ethiopia, and have worked to turn them into the Christian force on the continent. Between generous supplies of weapons and Jesuit missionaries, the Spanish and Ethiopians have become fast friends. The Yope in Mexico have also come around to Spanish aide, and the Aztecs are keeping their eyes firm on Acapulco, waiting to see if the Spanish bring something they cant afford to miss. The Spanish have several small islands in the Western Pacific, from Macau to Juyguio[8]. The Spanish encountered the Tu'i Tonga, and have been plotting with the King to expand the empire (under a Catholic banner, of course).



[1] Barbados, currently between Italy and Trinidad. Venetian-owned, most of the Arawak people suffered from plagues brought by the Italians
[2] Anticosti Island, used as a base for Basque whalers to trade with the local natives
[3] South America
[4] Hispaniola - many pirates of the Barbary Coast fled after the Spanish invasion and smuggled their families with them. In Quizquayya, they founded a representative government, and have been slowly incorporating more Taino as they convert increasingly to Islam.
[5] The Falklands - they've acquired a more temperate climate
[6] Port Elizabeth - the mountains are significantly less inviting, and Xhosa people have gathered at this location to survive off of fishing and seal-hunting. The Spanish established a fort and converted these survivors to Catholicism
[7] Maputo - originally a great base to conduct raids on the Swahili city states, it experienced a gold-rush, and many young sailors from across the Atlantic world have flocked to Puerta de Esperanza for a hope of getting rich quick
[8] Waigeo, a port for reaching the Moluccas, but far enough away as to not attract attention from the local navies

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@SpazzReflex I know I saw a map like that (well, in the WIP stages) in the WIP thread, but I don't recall seeing it elsewhere. If there a first map on here showing the time before the hundred year jump? Ahh, and is Malta Venetian or French here? Almost a wonder why the Ottomans bothered taking those smaller islands form the Venetian here. Come to think of it, they have become a lot less useful now that they don't act as middlemen to bring spices to Europe. Might it end up like Ragusa? Though that was under a bishop, come to think of it. And strange how the Spanish and Portuguese couldn't ship over loads of soldiers to Vienna that weren't needed to protect against North Africans here.

EDIT ahhh right, those Venetian islands I was thinking of are Caribbean now.
 
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This map should be fairly self-explanatory. The only thing that might need clarifying is that the POD is that the Albigensian crusade is never called, leading to a surviving Cathar movement, which later spawns a wider Neo-Gnostic movement that is popular throughout Germany and Saxony, and in parts of France, Provence, Aquitaine, and Sicily. Oh, and Arabia is a massive state stretching from Mauretania to the Persian Gulf, comprising most of the Arabic-speaking world, except for the Christian regions that became independent shortly after Arabia's independence from Japan.

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Are they once again putting heavy sanctions on the Christian Republic of Germany?

And is the FIFA World Cup 2022 going to take place in the Duchy of Foggia, under severe controversies of human rights violations and corruption during bidding?
 
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Lovely map, @Miranda Brawner ! Who is governing England in an authoritarian manner after a coup d'etat? Theresa May as authoritarian President?
And who is "Archbishopric of Taranto" analogous too? To the United Arab Emirates?

EDIT. United Arab Emirates analogue are the "United Roman Principalities". then Archbishopric of Taranto would be the Oman analogue?
 
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This map should be fairly self-explanatory. The only thing that might need clarifying is that the POD is that the Albigensian crusade is never called, leading to a surviving Cathar movement, which later spawns a wider Neo-Gnostic movement that is popular throughout Germany and Saxony, and in parts of France, Provence, Aquitaine, and Sicily. Oh, and Arabia is a massive state stretching from Mauretania to the Persian Gulf, comprising most of the Arabic-speaking world, except for the Christian regions that became independent shortly after Arabia's independence from Japan.

the_french_civil_war__alternate_history__by_mirandabrawner-dccgkrv.png

I know this is just for fun but it annoys me so I need to say it: The City of Foggia isnt in the Duchy with it's name which dosen't really make sense
 
This map should be fairly self-explanatory. The only thing that might need clarifying is that the POD is that the Albigensian crusade is never called, leading to a surviving Cathar movement, which later spawns a wider Neo-Gnostic movement that is popular throughout Germany and Saxony, and in parts of France, Provence, Aquitaine, and Sicily. Oh, and Arabia is a massive state stretching from Mauretania to the Persian Gulf, comprising most of the Arabic-speaking world, except for the Christian regions that became independent shortly after Arabia's independence from Japan.

the_french_civil_war__alternate_history__by_mirandabrawner-dccgkrv.png

So, has Scandinavia been interfering with everyone's elections? :p
 
The Spanish invasion of 1574 was such a military disaster, the Spanish, against the wishes of the Pope in Avignon and signed peace on the Venetian island of Aeaea[1]. The Hapsburgs and France refused to sign, but were unable to launch serious counter attacks through the well-defended Alpine passes

Slight confusion here: if the Habsburgs are a separate entity from the Spanish, the dynastic union didn't take place and the Spanish would not have any claim to the Burgundian lands east of France?
 
@SpazzReflex I know I saw a map like that (well, in the WIP stages) in the WIP thread, but I don't recall seeing it elsewhere. If there a first map on here showing the time before the hundred year jump? Ahh, and is Malta Venetian or French here? Almost a wonder why the Ottomans bothered taking those smaller islands form the Venetian here. Come to think of it, they have become a lot less useful now that they don't act as middlemen to bring spices to Europe. Might it end up like Ragusa? Though that was under a bishop, come to think of it. And strange how the Spanish and Portuguese couldn't ship over loads of soldiers to Vienna that weren't needed to protect against North Africans here.

EDIT ahhh right, those Venetian islands I was thinking of are Caribbean now.

I do have an earlier version in my map thread, though I'm limiting how many go into the Map Thread.

Malta is Spanish, being baked under the Caribbean sun north of Africa.

Venice has undergone a radical transformation from the geomod, as they have territory in the Western Hemisphere, and are under significant pressure from traditional foes in Europe. After securing Aeaea, the Venetian became Atlantic players, serving as the bridge between the Ottoman Empire and the Caribbean. The Doge has moved to Aeaea, and most Venetians live and trade in the Caribbean.

Piracy continued, it was just based out of *Trinidad. The Arawak who survived the plagues and converted were avid slave-raiders

Slight confusion here: if the Habsburgs are a separate entity from the Spanish, the dynastic union didn't take place and the Spanish would not have any claim to the Burgundian lands east of France?

That is correct. The Spanish invasion of the United Republics (of Lower Germany and the Netherlands) is based on the UR's dangerous protestantism and republicanism, not necessarily based on direct claims.
 
I do have an earlier version in my map thread, though I'm limiting how many go into the Map Thread.
Ahh yes, I probably should check the WIP thread to see if you responded to my earlier questions. I have been having trouble keeping track of those things recently. Anyways, just checked out your thread and I see one form 50 years after the event, but nothing for the original event. I am just wondering how the Spanish got so much of North Africa, especially when they would have been sent so far from Spain.
 
But who WOULDN'T want to fight for Redcoats?
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Crips.

I know this is just for fun but it annoys me so I need to say it: The City of Foggia isnt in the Duchy with it's name which dosen't really make sense
Neither was the the Duchy of Westphalia in the Napoleonic kingdom with that name. Things happen when you see a nice name. Though, looking at the etymology of Foggia, it could be translated into English as Pittsburgh.
 
1592 (100 years after the Reorganization of Atlantis and Africa)

The Ottoman Empire is ascendant.

The Peace of Aeaea has confirmed the new order of Europe: The Alps serve to divide Christendom from Dar al-Islam. The Siege of Vienna came and went, with the Ottomans marching through the Gates and sending the Hapsburg court fleeing for Italy. Large piles of silver enticed the cooperation of the local merchant class in Italy as well of that of several minor nobles and the Duke of Bavaria. After the Venetians negotiated a surrender, all roads led to Rome for the Ottomans. The unstoppable tide of the Sultan crashed upon the gates to Rome and a seven nation army couldn't hold it back. The Papacy fled to Avignon, and though Catholic Church of Rome is autocephalus, The Ottomans keep the clergy under much tighter control than their Eastern Orthodox cousins. Spanish efforts to retake the Italian Peninsula have been bloody and futile. The Spanish invasion of 1574 was such a military disaster, the Spanish, against the wishes of the Pope in Avignon and signed peace on the Venetian island of Aeaea[1]. The Hapsburgs and France refused to sign, but were unable to launch serious counter attacks through the well-defended Alpine passes (on numerous occasions, the Turks blasted the side of a mountain to bring down avalanches upon their foes). Despite infrequent rebellions, the economic prosperity and pro-merchant policies have softened the Christian resistance to Muslim rule from the populace.

In the Andes, the mit'a system has worked wonders for the Ottomans, with various Andean suzerain states paying tribute in potatoes and silver. Conversion to Islam was achieved quickly when Ottoman medical doctors were able to save the life of the Sapu Inca, though actual Islamization of the populace took time and did involve violence. Horses and camels have aided the expansion of the Ottomans and their Quechua allies through South America. The desire for slaves has incentivized the Mapuche and other tribes in the periphery to start slave raids against their neighbors.

In the Indian Ocean, swords have clashed with the Siamese in the Straits of Malacca, the Portuguese in the southern seas, and the Mughals in Gujarat. Ottoman efforts to keep the Iberian powers marginal in the Indian Ocean has been relatively successful, with the Spanish and Portuguese struggling to gain a foothold in the Moluccas.

Spain and Portugal have divided the known world between them, with Spain taking the Pacific and North Atlantic, Portugal taking the Indian and South Atlantic.

The North Atlantic Ring stretches from San Lorenzo[2] in the north to the African colonies, and across the sea to the holdings in Atlantis[3], primarily a market driven by slaves, salt, tobacco, and gold. Tobacco is grown along the African coast, while Conquistadors move into the Sahara to gain a monopoly over the gold and salt trade. Slaves are secured from across the empire, particularly in Africa where a reverse devshirme ensures a constant supply of young men to serve the Spanish king. The Egyptian-West Venetian alliance has held firm, and with the creation of the pirate state of Quizquayya[4] has served to hamper Spanish expansion in the Caribbean. The Aztec interregnum has finally ended, but the king is (rightfully) distrustful of the foreigners, and has tried to consolidate the state and turn the imported technologies against the invaders.

The South Atlantic ring is less complete, but is more reliant on slavery, with the Portuguese taking African slaves across the Atlantic world, even going to the Indian ocean and selling them in Muscat and Aden. The Kingdom of Kongo, recovering from a period of civil war and famine, has been preying on refugees traveling north to escape the cold, and has been expanding into the disappearing rainforest. Viseu y Beja [5] are profitable tobacco islands, and their population is growing quickly.

The Indian Ocean Ring is much less secure than OTL, with the Ottomans outright controlling most of the Atlantean coasts and being active participants in the rest of the Indian Ocean. The Portuguese are much more reliant on their Indian colonies, and have been reminded every so often by local powers that they are guests.

The Pacific Ring is steadily becoming more important to the Spanish as the years role on. The depopulation of the southern cone of Africa has allowed Spanish settlement of the area around Australija[6] and Puerta de Esperanza[7], and the Spanish have looted and occupied the Swahili coast city states, slowly draining them of timber and slaves. The Spanish finally found their Prester John in Ethiopia, and have worked to turn them into the Christian force on the continent. Between generous supplies of weapons and Jesuit missionaries, the Spanish and Ethiopians have become fast friends. The Yope in Mexico have also come around to Spanish aide, and the Aztecs are keeping their eyes firm on Acapulco, waiting to see if the Spanish bring something they cant afford to miss. The Spanish have several small islands in the Western Pacific, from Macau to Juyguio[8]. The Spanish encountered the Tu'i Tonga, and have been plotting with the King to expand the empire (under a Catholic banner, of course).



[1] Barbados, currently between Italy and Trinidad. Venetian-owned, most of the Arawak people suffered from plagues brought by the Italians
[2] Anticosti Island, used as a base for Basque whalers to trade with the local natives
[3] South America
[4] Hispaniola - many pirates of the Barbary Coast fled after the Spanish invasion and smuggled their families with them. In Quizquayya, they founded a representative government, and have been slowly incorporating more Taino as they convert increasingly to Islam.
[5] The Falklands - they've acquired a more temperate climate
[6] Port Elizabeth - the mountains are significantly less inviting, and Xhosa people have gathered at this location to survive off of fishing and seal-hunting. The Spanish established a fort and converted these survivors to Catholicism
[7] Maputo - originally a great base to conduct raids on the Swahili city states, it experienced a gold-rush, and many young sailors from across the Atlantic world have flocked to Puerta de Esperanza for a hope of getting rich quick
[8] Waigeo, a port for reaching the Moluccas, but far enough away as to not attract attention from the local navies

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I don't think I ever noticed how "ASB" Africa's northeast coast actually looks until seeing it from this perspective...

Also

The unstoppable tide of the Sultan crashed upon the gates to Rome and a seven nation army couldn't hold it back

Well done
 
This map should be fairly self-explanatory. The only thing that might need clarifying is that the POD is that the Albigensian crusade is never called, leading to a surviving Cathar movement, which later spawns a wider Neo-Gnostic movement that is popular throughout Germany and Saxony, and in parts of France, Provence, Aquitaine, and Sicily. Oh, and Arabia is a massive state stretching from Mauretania to the Persian Gulf, comprising most of the Arabic-speaking world, except for the Christian regions that became independent shortly after Arabia's independence from Japan.

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I know this is lampooning modern middle eastern stuff but a Gnostic reformation 300 years early is a fascinating idea.
 
Totalitarian Qubec empire map:
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After america is balkanised, Qubec annexs some other small places and imposes language rules on them, making egveryone speak french.
 
I know this is lampooning modern middle eastern stuff but a Gnostic reformation 300 years early is a fascinating idea.

Thanks! I sort of threw in the Gnostic backstory at the last minute. I decided early on that I wanted to have Catholicism as Sunni Islam and some sort of Protestantism as Shi'a Islam. That meant that England had to be Catholic, which meant I probably needed a POD before Henry VIII. Well, I guess there could have been a return to Catholicism after Henry, but I didn't want to go that route. Anyway, I could have gone with a POD in the 1500s, but my concern with that was that Europe, especially Spain and Portugal, was already on the rise at that point. I wanted western Europe to be less powerful on the world stage in order to make it more plausible that Japan and Korea would be partitioning Europe after WWI. But I also wanted the POD after most of the big medieval migrations so that demographics of Europe would not be too different from OTL. So I decided the POD would be that the Mongols invade further into Europe, but are less successful in China. I was searching for a more precise POD when I suddenly thought, hey, I still need to have a non-Catholic church in Europe, so how about the Cathars? So I pushed the POD back another half century, and decided the Mongol invasion could be a butterfly effect or a secondary POD.
 
1592 (100 years after the Reorganization of Atlantis and Africa)



[1] Barbados, currently between Italy and Trinidad. Venetian-owned, most of the Arawak people suffered from plagues brought by the Italians
[2] Anticosti Island, used as a base for Basque whalers to trade with the local natives
[3] South America
[4] Hispaniola - many pirates of the Barbary Coast fled after the Spanish invasion and smuggled their families with them. In Quizquayya, they founded a representative government, and have been slowly incorporating more Taino as they convert increasingly to Islam.
[5] The Falklands - they've acquired a more temperate climate
[6] Port Elizabeth - the mountains are significantly less inviting, and Xhosa people have gathered at this location to survive off of fishing and seal-hunting. The Spanish established a fort and converted these survivors to Catholicism
[7] Maputo - originally a great base to conduct raids on the Swahili city states, it experienced a gold-rush, and many young sailors from across the Atlantic world have flocked to Puerta de Esperanza for a hope of getting rich quick
[8] Waigeo, a port for reaching the Moluccas, but far enough away as to not attract attention from the local navies

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Well, the Ottomans sure know how to take advantage of an ISOT like this.

How is Egypt and Venice doing? (And an alliance between the two? Nice.)

The Mughals and Persia getting the feelings the Ottomans might target them next?

Well there be an squeal? To see if the Ottomans luck keep rising, or if they trip and fall and everyone gangs up on them.
 
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