Map Thread XVII

[Xanthoc]

Prussia has been remarkably successful if it's been able to vassalize all those German states, including the catholic ones in the SW. Are some more in the way of allies?

Edit: ah, I had forgotten we had a Hohenzollern as Holy Roman Emperor. But the vassal nature of many states would be still a bit theoretical at this point?

Just out of curiosity, has Nader Shah been butterflied? Shortly after this OTL he took back *Azerbaijan for Persia.

Yeah the 'vassals' aspect is more for states outside of the HRE. Within, its loyal states, as well as those who side with the Hohenzollerns over the Hapsburgs. The issue is for when the aging Emperor Frederick dies, do they elect his son Frederick William, or do they elect Joseph, the recently returned son of Leopold, or possibly one of his sons. The Hohenzollerns have been centralizing the Empire, but at the same time, they are the only ones who have made true success against the seemingly unstoppable French, and the friends of the Emperor have of course gained a good deal of autonomy. Italy is mostly in the Hapsburg camp, both because Joseph has an appreciation for Italy, and because Emperor Frederick granted rights to Calvinists.

As for Nader Shah, he hasn't been totally butterflied, but he will lose the war, but only just, resulting in a status quo antebellum.

 

[DeactivatedAccount]

Shoot! I knew I forgot one! (Sorry Arkansasers[Is that right?]) I Based it off of the flooded map on the Wiki, which I believe was created by rvbomally, though I'm not sure. I modified it a little bit to flood the St. Lawerence and other areas. A Blank one is available at that above mentioned thread.

It's Arkansan. And it's OK. My home state was already dead inside.

 

[Deleted member 101966]

Still slightly a WIP, here's a godawful election map.

Formed by a merger of all extant Canadian political parties during the apocalypse, the National Party is a bit of a hegemon, having held an absolute majority in the federal legislature since... uh... the apocalypse. At the provincial level, seen here, things are a bit more lively, although the numerous opposition movements are almost impossible to actually knit together.

The bright spot: Peace River is the only province where the National Party competes in the provincial legislature.

Hopefully the minor parties are as fun to read about as they were to write!

 

[Utgard96]

I feel like "there was an apocalyptic event and now everyone lives in northern Alberta" was a less fun premise than "here's a fictional Canadian province".

 

[Deleted member 101966]

The apocalypse is mostly just a plot device to explain why William A. Aberhart is an immortal revenant - he's too much of a Baptist to come alive for anything less than the complete End of Days.

 

[Tsochar]

Beautiful, Tomislav! I love linguistic maps. Pardon my ignorance, but is this a map of OTL 1066 or an ATL? The words "after the conquest by William of Normandy" make it sound like OTL, but my limited knowledge of British history tells me there was much more English (a Germanic language) being spoken at this time, so that makes it seem like an ATL. If it is an ATL, I'd love to know the story behind it!

Anyway, while we're on the theme of linguistics, here's a map I've been working on. It's not a linguistic map, but a map of a scenario centered around language...

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I see two possibilities: 1, all speakers of IE languages vanish, leaving the other countries to occupy the land; 2, all countries with a majority IE language disappear, leaving virgin earth.

I did something similar a while back; let me see if I can find it.

EDIT: Found it:

Thread with some discussion here.

 

[Clandango]

I see two possibilities: 1, all speakers of IE languages vanish, leaving the other countries to occupy the land; 2, all countries with a majority IE language disappear, leaving virgin earth.

I did something similar a while back; let me see if I can find it.

EDIT: Found it:

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Thread with some discussion here.

Oh dear. This is only for those who solely speak Indo-European languages, right? Odd about India, as I am trying to see what Hindu is classified as. There are maps showing large amounts of areas all the way to Assam having Indo-Iranian languages, though I suppose that may be some regional tongues more connected to the descendants of Iranians, Arabs, and Turks. I do wonder what things will be like for South Indians in this world, and if they would still use English as a lingua franca. Probably, considering how the Africans, Filipinos, Maori, American groups, and others are still around. You could make an entire thread for people to discuss these sorts of things. I for one would be interested to see the fun in South America. Going to be some trauma even in Paraguay, where most people speak Guarni. Though given the numbers I am finding, I am guessing they might still lose a sixth or a third of the population.

 

[meeplesyrup]

"UNDER HIS EYE": A Handmaid's Tale Map


In 2019 the Sons of Jacob launched their coup with the infamous President's Day Massacre. Over the course of the next year they busied themselves consolidating power by a series of Reichstag fire measures forced through on the pretense of fighting Islamic terrorism. Shit hit the fan when the National Emergency Council (Gilead's future Council) suspended women's rights, leading to violent crackdowns and rebellions across the entire country. This evolved into the Second American Civil War, or Gileadean War.

Though at first it seemed likely the American resistance would prevail, Gileadean spies sabotaged US missile silos, causing radiation leaks and a nuclear strike against a defiant Dallas. The end result was a curtain of radiation and pollution splitting the US down the middle, separating the West from the East Coast resistance.

The eastern US government forces lost as a result, destroying the resistance's chain of command. The resistance split into 3 groups: the weak remnants of the preexisting government based out of Anchorage, an independent Texas, and the Mayday Alliance government of the West. In all this chaos Gilead tightened its grip on the East Coast.

The Republic of Gilead became a pariah nation to the world. Between its massacre of the UN "infidels" in New York and the nuclear detonation of Dallas the international community was appalled, slapping on a trade and arms embargo ratified unanimously by the rump UN in Geneva.

As it stands Gilead has the upper hand east of the Mississippi, and claims to have begun "colonizing" the radiation belt it had created. Fierce resistance exists in the upper Midwest, Florida, Atlanta & the Appalachian Mountains though, and Gilead's internal control of territory is weaker than it would like to be. The US government in Anchorage is impotent but recognized internationally, and the Mayday Alliance is growing in strength.

Both of the latter groups hope to restore the U.S. and have appealed to the UN & NATO for support. While an outright NATO invasion of Gilead is difficult given the lack of political will (the EU is coping with the birthrate crisis too), Canada and Mexico have been secretly supplying arms and money to rebel groups in Illinois and Florida. Currently the world is in a depression; the implosion of NYC as the world's finance center has rippled widely.

The war has hit something of a stalemate, but intelligence from Mayday agents suggests that Gilead may be facing internal divisions that can be exploited. What happens to the fledgling Republic remains to be seen. . .

 

[Tsochar]

Oh dear. This is only for those who solely speak Indo-European languages, right? Odd about India, as I am trying to see what Hindu is classified as. There are maps showing large amounts of areas all the way to Assam having Indo-Iranian languages, though I suppose that may be some regional tongues more connected to the descendants of Iranians, Arabs, and Turks. I do wonder what things will be like for South Indians in this world, and if they would still use English as a lingua franca. Probably, considering how the Africans, Filipinos, Maori, American groups, and others are still around. You could make an entire thread for people to discuss these sorts of things. I for one would be interested to see the fun in South America. Going to be some trauma even in Paraguay, where most people speak Guarni. Though given the numbers I am finding, I am guessing they might still lose a sixth or a third of the population.

There are no Hindi-speaking areas on the map, as hindi is a cluster of central Indo-Aryan dialects; the pink parts are Sino-Tibetan tribal groups.

 

[DeactivatedAccount]

"UNDER HIS EYE": A Handmaid's Tale Map


In 2019 the Sons of Jacob launched their coup with the infamous President's Day Massacre. Over the course of the next year they busied themselves consolidating power by a series of Reichstag fire measures forced through on the pretense of fighting Islamic terrorism. Shit hit the fan when the National Emergency Council (Gilead's future Council) suspended women's rights, leading to violent crackdowns and rebellions across the entire country. This evolved into the Second American Civil War, or Gileadean War.

Though at first it seemed likely the American resistance would prevail, Gileadean spies sabotaged US missile silos, causing radiation leaks and a nuclear strike against a defiant Dallas. The end result was a curtain of radiation and pollution splitting the US down the middle, separating the West from the East Coast resistance.

The eastern US government forces lost as a result, destroying the resistance's chain of command. The resistance split into 3 groups: the weak remnants of the preexisting government based out of Anchorage, an independent Texas, and the Mayday Alliance government of the West. In all this chaos Gilead tightened its grip on the East Coast.

The Republic of Gilead became a pariah nation to the world. Between its massacre of the UN "infidels" in New York and the nuclear detonation of Dallas the international community was appalled, slapping on a trade and arms embargo ratified unanimously by the rump UN in Geneva.

As it stands Gilead has the upper hand east of the Mississippi, and claims to have begun "colonizing" the radiation belt it had created. Fierce resistance exists in the upper Midwest, Florida, Atlanta & the Appalachian Mountains though, and Gilead's internal control of territory is weaker than it would like to be. The US government in Anchorage is impotent but recognized internationally, and the Mayday Alliance is growing in strength.

Both of the latter groups hope to restore the U.S. and have appealed to the UN & NATO for support. While an outright NATO invasion of Gilead is difficult given the lack of political will (the EU is coping with the birthrate crisis too), Canada and Mexico have been secretly supplying arms and money to rebel groups in Illinois and Florida. Currently the world is in a depression; the implosion of NYC as the world's finance center has rippled widely.

The war has hit something of a stalemate, but intelligence from Mayday agents suggests that Gilead may be facing internal divisions that can be exploited. What happens to the fledgling Republic remains to be seen. . .

They SHOT the entire UN?

Holy moley!

 

[ariyarathna]

Another map for my TL as I work on the next post



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yoooooooooooooo that's so cool!

 

[Alexander North]

I doubt I'm going to finish the scenario I had in mind for this, so I might as well just leave it here. It was meant to be for yet another analogous timeline where the reunification of Germany serves as an analogue to the annexation of Korea by Japan (with West Germany playing the role of Japan). One nasty *NazBol dictatorship and two (somehow non-nuclear) world wars later, we have the German Meritocratic State as Japan, with North Prussia and South Prussia (or, if you prefer, the United Technocratic State of Prussia and Meritocracy of Prussia) serving as North and South Korea, respectively. The Intermarum Technate is the PRC, of course, while the United Nordic Technate (not shown: has all of Scandinavia including Greenland and Iceland, as well as Scotland, Ireland, and a good deal of northern Russia because reasons) plays the role of the USSR. Crimea, of course, is the Taiwan to the Intermarum's China.

 

[Skallagrim]

Anyway, while we're on the theme of linguistics, here's a map I've been working on. It's not a linguistic map, but a map of a scenario centered around language...

In 2018, the ASB split OTL earth into 2 earths. All fluent (not necessarily native) speakers of IE languages went to one world, and all fluent speakers of non-IE languages went to the other. People who can speak a language from each group got duplicated and sent to both worlds.

This is A+ content, and I'd love to see the full world this has yielded. In the flip-side, I'd very much like to see the world where only Indo-European speakers remains as well. That one might be a bit more boring, since it's going to have all the major Western powers, minus some minorities. (Mostly immigrant populations, I imagine, since non-IE minorities like the Basques almost universally speak the countries dominant IE language as wel...) Even countries like Hungary and Finland have considerable numbers who speak a secondary (typically IE) language, so I imagine those countries - while in deep crisis - would remain in existence in "IE world".

I admit, the scenario might be more interesting without the "People who can speak a language from each group got duplicated" element. If you instead select people by their primary language, you get a much clearer divide, with more drastic effects. This would specifically make "IE world" a bit more interesting, as the whole change would actually affect Europe to a real extent.

I did something similar a while back; let me see if I can find it.

I was about to add to my comment on @Miranda Brawner's concept that the "non-IE world" would have serious effects on the Americas. Your map really demonstrates that! I mean, even a lot of the Native Americans are no longer fluent in their native languages, so they'd just end up in "IE world" is such a divide magically happened. The Americas will suddenly be near-depopulated in "non-IE world", whereas they'd barely even be affected (in the grand scheme of things) in "IE world".


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"UNDER HIS EYE": A Handmaid's Tale Map

I'm not at very familiar with the world of "The Handmaid's Tale", so I have some questions that might be stupid. For starters, I do know that this Gilead regime is like some ultra-Christian reactionary dictatorship/theocracy, but it appears that the rest of the world is still basically as it was. So... the USA collapses into war, a bunch of total madnen assume control of the East, murder the entire UN General Assembly and then nuke a city.. and, what, everybody just lets it slide with no more than economic sanctions? I, for one, do not see this happening without Russia, Britain, France and various others deciding to nuke the shit out of these assholes. Is there any explanation as to why this has not happened?

Next question is a bit simpler: what exactly is the "Mayday government"? It would not be the official US government, since they're in Alaska. Why is the legitimate government suddenly sidelined in the whole civil war, and does a completely different regime suddenly crop up in the West? Who are these guys? Are they also conservatives? Are they ultra-progressive instead? Just a military junta?

 

[Clandango]

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I doubt I'm going to finish the scenario I had in mind for this, so I might as well just leave it here. It was meant to be for yet another analogous timeline where the reunification of Germany serves as an analogue to the annexation of Korea by Japan (with West Germany playing the role of Japan). One nasty *NazBol dictatorship and two (somehow non-nuclear) world wars later, we have the German Meritocratic State as Japan, with North Prussia and South Prussia (or, if you prefer, the United Technocratic State of Prussia and Meritocracy of Prussia) serving as North and South Korea, respectively. The Intermarum Technate is the PRC, of course, while the United Nordic Technate (not shown: has all of Scandinavia including Greenland and Iceland, as well as Scotland, Ireland, and a good deal of northern Russia because reasons) plays the role of the USSR. Crimea, of course, is the Taiwan to the Intermarum's China.

I notice that South Prussia seems to pretty much just be the lands for that Kingdm of Saxony, the Prussian Province of Saxony, plus the various Thuringia states which formerly had members of the Wettin cadet branches as princes. Surprised they don't get called Saxons with the other being called Brandenburgers.

 

[Xanthoc]

yoooooooooooooo that's so cool!

Yes, good, feed my ego Always happy to hear some praise. Feel free to read my TL to see how that happened. Quick, before it gets even longer!

 

[Venusian Si]

I'm not at very familiar with the world of "The Handmaid's Tale", so I have some questions that might be stupid. For starters, I do know that this Gilead regime is like some ultra-Christian reactionary dictatorship/theocracy, but it appears that the rest of the world is still basically as it was. So... the USA collapses into war, a bunch of total madnen assume control of the East, murder the entire UN General Assembly and then nuke a city.. and, what, everybody just lets it slide with no more than economic sanctions? I, for one, do not see this happening without Russia, Britain, France and various others deciding to nuke the shit out of these assholes. Is there any explanation as to why this has not happened?

Well I can't speak for meeplesyrup, but considering how large the Gilead regime is and how it clearly has nukes (and presumably has been able to seize at least a few hundred if not most of the existing US stockpile), nuking Gilead would most likely result in MAD/Nuclear winter.

 

[FiendslayerPrime1976]

"UNDER HIS EYE": A Handmaid's Tale Map


In 2019 the Sons of Jacob launched their coup with the infamous President's Day Massacre. Over the course of the next year they busied themselves consolidating power by a series of Reichstag fire measures forced through on the pretense of fighting Islamic terrorism. Shit hit the fan when the National Emergency Council (Gilead's future Council) suspended women's rights, leading to violent crackdowns and rebellions across the entire country. This evolved into the Second American Civil War, or Gileadean War.

Though at first it seemed likely the American resistance would prevail, Gileadean spies sabotaged US missile silos, causing radiation leaks and a nuclear strike against a defiant Dallas. The end result was a curtain of radiation and pollution splitting the US down the middle, separating the West from the East Coast resistance.

The eastern US government forces lost as a result, destroying the resistance's chain of command. The resistance split into 3 groups: the weak remnants of the preexisting government based out of Anchorage, an independent Texas, and the Mayday Alliance government of the West. In all this chaos Gilead tightened its grip on the East Coast.

The Republic of Gilead became a pariah nation to the world. Between its massacre of the UN "infidels" in New York and the nuclear detonation of Dallas the international community was appalled, slapping on a trade and arms embargo ratified unanimously by the rump UN in Geneva.

As it stands Gilead has the upper hand east of the Mississippi, and claims to have begun "colonizing" the radiation belt it had created. Fierce resistance exists in the upper Midwest, Florida, Atlanta & the Appalachian Mountains though, and Gilead's internal control of territory is weaker than it would like to be. The US government in Anchorage is impotent but recognized internationally, and the Mayday Alliance is growing in strength.

Both of the latter groups hope to restore the U.S. and have appealed to the UN & NATO for support. While an outright NATO invasion of Gilead is difficult given the lack of political will (the EU is coping with the birthrate crisis too), Canada and Mexico have been secretly supplying arms and money to rebel groups in Illinois and Florida. Currently the world is in a depression; the implosion of NYC as the world's finance center has rippled widely.

The war has hit something of a stalemate, but intelligence from Mayday agents suggests that Gilead may be facing internal divisions that can be exploited. What happens to the fledgling Republic remains to be seen. . .

Ye gods, between the slaughter of the UN and the nuking of Dallas, Gilead has really screwed themselves over - I believe Mayday & Co. are going to exploit Gilead's internal divisions for all they are worth, and when all is ready and the time is right, they'll go and take down Gilead for good!

Say meeple, is this a one-shot map, or are you going to do another one showing the eventual fall of Gilead? As I recall from reading the book, in the epilogue it is stated that Gilead eventually did fall apart and a new nation based on the old US replaced it... I'd certainly like to see Mayday & Co. have a hand in destroying their abominable regime!

 

[Alexander North]

I notice that South Prussia seems to pretty much just be the lands for that Kingdm of Saxony, the Prussian Province of Saxony, plus the various Thuringia states which formerly had members of the Wettin cadet branches as princes. Surprised they don't get called Saxons with the other being called Brandenburgers.

America is still itself TTL, so chalk it up to Americans being dumb. You can never underestimate the stupidity of Americans- in OTL, a depressingly large amount of Americans can't identify where North Korea is (or they confuse it with ISIS), and even fewer of them know why it exists (most of my peers are convinced that South Korea was formed by freedom-loving Koreans rising up against the tyranny of Kim Jong-Un), so you shouldn't expect them to even know the names of Saxony and Brandenburg, let alone where they are. I can go back and change their official names to the Meritocracy of Saxony and the United Technocratic State of Brandenburg, but don't expect the Americans to call them that- they'll be too busy mixing up "North Prussia" and the Anarchist Federation of Ethiopia and Somalia.

 

[Miranda Brawner]

This is A+ content, and I'd love to see the full world this has yielded.

Thank you! Hopefully I'll have it finished sometime soon.

In the flip-side, I'd very much like to see the world where only Indo-European speakers remains as well. That one might be a bit more boring, since it's going to have all the major Western powers, minus some minorities. (Mostly immigrant populations, I imagine, since non-IE minorities like the Basques almost universally speak the countries dominant IE language as well...) Even countries like Hungary and Finland have considerable numbers who speak a secondary (typically IE) language, so I imagine those countries - while in deep crisis - would remain in existence in "IE world".

Yeah, that world theoretically exists in this scenario, but I'm not sure if I'll end up mapping it, since I wouldn't enjoy depicting an era of western hegemony even more extreme than the one in the early 20th century.

I admit, the scenario might be more interesting without the "People who can speak a language from each group got duplicated" element. If you instead select people by their primary language, you get a much clearer divide, with more drastic effects. This would specifically make "IE world" a bit more interesting, as the whole change would actually affect Europe to a real extent.

That was my original plan, but I went with the current plan because I wanted minority groups to have more of a fighting chance. I realize that this scenario is inevitably going to be controversial, but I figured it would be more respectful to allow diverse countries to maintain more of their diversity. In the version I went with, minorities whose native language belongs to the other world get a chance to stay where they are if they are bilingual. Like you said, it has much more of an effect on the IE world than the non-IE world, but even the non-IE world has at least 3 cases like this: Rohingya, Kurds, and Indo-Aryan "guest workers" (slaves) in the Persian Gulf.

Another option would be to divide the world based on plurality languages at the national level, meaning that all minorities, bilingual or not, would get to stay where they are. This would help preserve diversity within countries, particularly in the IE world, but part of my interest in this scenario came from wondering how various minority groups would adapt to sudden, unexpected independence. No matter which version of the scenario we go with, the aftermath of the ISOT is probably going to involve lots of violence, starvation, or both. Just to be clear, I absolutely condemn, in the strongest possible terms, any attempts to carry out any of the above scenarios in real life. To help victims of real-world genocide, I just donated to donaterohingya.org and I encourage you to do the same.

I was about to add to my comment on @Miranda Brawner's concept that the "non-IE world" would have serious effects on the Americas. Your map really demonstrates that! I mean, even a lot of the Native Americans are no longer fluent in their native languages, so they'd just end up in "IE world" is such a divide magically happened. The Americas will suddenly be near-depopulated in "non-IE world", whereas they'd barely even be affected (in the grand scheme of things) in "IE world".

Yeah, post-event Americas are going to be an interesting place, home to many newly independent First Nations alongside settler states from pretty much every region of the world.

Anyway, thanks for all your feedback, Skallagrim. I really appreciate it.

 

[meeplesyrup]

@Skallagrim In the book and Hulu series it's made apparent that the fertility crisis affecting Gilead also is affecting the entire world. Every developed country on earth at this point is suffering outright demographic collapse; these domestic existential troubles in the short term are more worrying for the EU, China & Russia than some (murderous) cult. @Venusian Si guessed correctly; Gilead also still controls some of the US nuclear stockpile, and could easily rain nuclear fire on any nation that attempted to outright act against it. So at this point it's a super tense cold-war-ish situation, though there's a growing impetus for the UN to act as Gilead is a loose, genocidal cannon.

@FiendslayerPrime1976 this was originally gonna be a oneshot, but I think I'll do some follow-up maps showing the fall of Gilead & the continent of North America post-Gilead. Maybe it'll dovetail with the events of the upcoming season of the Hulu series .