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A Shakespeare-punk map could be quite interesting considering all of his pseudohistorical settings: Verona as an independent principality, Denmark being conquered by Norway, an Italian coast of Illyria...

And let's not forget the shores of Bohemia.

(SF great Poul Anderson wrote a novel on the theme, but was more interested in magic and the technological advancements implied in ancient Rome have clocks than in alt-geography)
 
And let's not forget the shores of Bohemia.
That seems simple enough: either have the Bohemian crown conquer North through Poland (presumably with the help of their allies in Norway-Denmark) to the Baltic, or go south, conquering Austria (and thus eliminating them as a threat to Bohemian hegemony) and pick off the coastal Italian colonies that seem to dot the Illyrian coast. The only thing keeping the Bohemian Menace from overrunning Italy as a whole is the sturdy defenses put up by the Venetians...

Also worth noting: if King Lear is anything to go off of, Geoffrey of Monmouth's histories of Britain are likely more fact than fiction, meaning we can also add in some elements of the Arthur Romances.
 
Seems plausible enough. Just need an especially hard flood in the Low Countries.
Actually not needed, just let be kids of this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_IV,_Holy_Roman_Emperor) more lucky (only thing which stood between Charles Bohemia and sea was tiny Pomerania... guess from which country was Charlies last wife and mother of his son Sigismund?)
EDIT: and Charles... sister? Brothers daughter? Something like this... was duchess in Brabant (so no need to flood too much of Low Countries :D)
 
I don't see how the Entente win.
Edit: This isn't a criticism! The map is great!
I know (however, at least constructive criticism is always welcomed :) )
And to your remark: well, there are some changes helping to Entente, in comparison with OTL: France is more armed and more warlike, far less defetism. On the other hand, Germany is in worse condition (without left bank and with rest of Rhineland destroyed in fist hours/days of war... there is of course industry elsewhere, but still not comparable with Rhineland and Ruhr area).
Then there are moments which may or may not help to them: Japan can still stay neutral or even attack China/Korea/USSR. The same goes for Turkey and Stan (especially Turkey). If war goes really bad for "revanchists", they even can attack Soviets! (however, more likely is that when red army scored first bigger victories in Persia, Afghans join them and attack India with them). And then there are USA, which isquite anti-communist (just quite, however... and more isolacionist than OTL).
But you are still right, their chances are still bleak. And even if they won, it would be just pyrrhic victory. Exactly how count Coudenhove predicted.
 
I decided to try mapping out this idea after watching the film Darkest Hour which has speeches by Winston Churchill in it (including the one that the name for this map is taken from).
You had me up until the part of Liberia being under British influence. I am also wondering, on a more serious note, about why Basutoland would become a South African territory. It was a mountain kingdom filled with a homogenous group of heavily armed Africans. Seems Afrikanners would rather they not be a part of their country, and I don't see the Africans within the borders of modern Lesotho being too thrilled either. Not even any need for an enclave/exclave thing about it being more convenient, as having solidly shaped and populated kingdoms would make governing easier all over the continent. That, and the British did have treaties to uphold. I can't see the British being the 'protagonist' of this map on their own, and they would have needed enormous help from the Americans. If the British lost their homeland, you can be sure a good amount of their fleet would have been sunk leading up to it. How many Anglos are actually in Africa? Does this map have maybe a hundred thousand British people ruling India and usingntheir soldeirs to dismember the centuries old empires of their allies in Africa?

The map is... impossible. Obvious hat most AltHist maps are, but here the British are going against what made them great. They move down into valuable areas to back up companies if things were unstable, they supported Portugal (and got access to their centuries of connections and forts strung along from Tangier to Taiwan), and they had loads of. Local allies. Here we have India consolidated to a ridiculous degree. The Princely States were were so many troops to support the British came from. What happens when dozens of rulers learn they are going to be put under Prince? Probably revolt. Drive out the British. And if they don't? Well, you end up with a massive state that might fight against the British. Also, the stuff with Finland is quite amusing. Still, maybe the Germans would try it. Keep their own ships from being sunk while heading to the Arctic.

Anyways, interesting concept, but I think it could do with a load more color and borders. Perhaps you try something with former Anglo-Egyptian Sudan? Also, I think Uruguay would be a flashpoint in this world, given that when the War of the Triple Alliance ended, Argentina and Uruguay both recognized its independence. Perhaps striped purple and green, with an American or British outline?
 
Who is fighting the Nazis at this point, and in what shape are they?
They are in a very similar state to OTL’s North Korea, with a stockpile of nuclear weapons. There still exists in Nazi Germany people who are willing to sacrifice their life, and the military that is led by them crushes any form of insurrection against the government. The country has been almost internationally denounced, with the former Commonwealth nations working with the Japanese to formulate a plan to defeat them. Again, thanks for asking :)
 
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Not really an OTL map, also not really an alternate history map. This is simply a map based off of the famous play Macbeth and what I was able to gleam from the setting and its pseudo-accuracy.

I know there are a few sections that I messed up on, Cumberland especially, however it is mainly a test of my style, trying to actually find it.

A Shakespeare-punk map could be quite interesting considering all of his pseudohistorical settings: Verona as an independent principality, Denmark being conquered by Norway, an Italian coast of Illyria...


You know, I never thought of that, maybe one day I'll try my hand at it. Of course, I'm sure there are others here that could do it more justice.

Honestly, Shakespeare has an interesting worldview if we merge his works into all one shared canon.

And let's not forget the shores of Bohemia.

(SF great Poul Anderson wrote a novel on the theme, but was more interested in magic and the technological advancements implied in ancient Rome have clocks than in alt-geography)

That seems simple enough: either have the Bohemian crown conquer North through Poland (presumably with the help of their allies in Norway-Denmark) to the Baltic, or go south, conquering Austria (and thus eliminating them as a threat to Bohemian hegemony) and pick off the coastal Italian colonies that seem to dot the Illyrian coast. The only thing keeping the Bohemian Menace from overrunning Italy as a whole is the sturdy defenses put up by the Venetians...

Also worth noting: if King Lear is anything to go off of, Geoffrey of Monmouth's histories of Britain are likely more fact than fiction, meaning we can also add in some elements of the Arthur Romances.

Actually not needed, just let be kids of this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_IV,_Holy_Roman_Emperor) more lucky (only thing which stood between Charles Bohemia and sea was tiny Pomerania... guess from which country was Charlies last wife and mother of his son Sigismund?)
EDIT: and Charles... sister? Brothers daughter? Something like this... was duchess in Brabant (so no need to flood too much of Low Countries :D)

I love the idea of a A Shakespeare-punk map.

As for Charles I winning the Civil War, I doubt even with magic he could win, and even so, the man was a self-destructive idiot who always chose the worst possible option every single time. And even if Charles won the first war, he just couldn't help himself when it came to making enemies and alienating allies. A second civil war would probably break out in another decade or so as his attitudes and policies are going to keep stirring up resentment and there's going to be an explosion at some point. (Or have Oberon and Titania back Parliament.)

Would be be cool to see is the affect Shakespeare magic would have on the world, and religion. (Fairies such as Oberon and Titania, Macbeth Witches, Ghosts, Roman Gods and Greek Deimigods, Amazonians, half-human, half-monsters like Caliban, warlocks like Prospero.)

Republic of Ragusa could be the Italian Illyrian coast. (Don't ask what happen to the Coats.)


Venice in this case won all it wars against the Ottomans, leading to a Venetian Aegean Sea and Greece, maybe even more. (Othello.) Ottomans get further screw over by the glory that is the Bohemian Empire.

The Union between Verona and Milan against the Bohemian Menace. (After they conquer the Papal States.)

With this Scotland, and a Norway that conquers Denmark, I could see a Scottish and Norwegian-Danish Canada and New England. (More if England is busy.) Same for Bohemian Colonial holdings.

I would think Gargoyles as well as Arthur Romances would make very good add on to the world. (King Arthur fighting the Saxons?)

Britain was never conquer by Rome, but rather stay a vassal of Rome, and later ally. (At least for a while.)

The Return of Antony and Cleopatra?

Shakespeare's sonnets would also be good to use. The Fair Youth, the Dark Lady, and the Rival Poet being like say immortals, or living personifications. (I already have in my mind the Dark Lady being this Carmen Sandiego figure.)
 
I love the idea of a A Shakespeare-punk map.

As for Charles I winning the Civil War, I doubt even with magic he could win, and even so, the man was a self-destructive idiot who always chose the worst possible option every single time. And even if Charles won the first war, he just couldn't help himself when it came to making enemies and alienating allies. A second civil war would probably break out in another decade or so as his attitudes and policies are going to keep stirring up resentment and there's going to be an explosion at some point. (Or have Oberon and Titania back Parliament.)

Would be be cool to see is the affect Shakespeare magic would have on the world, and religion. (Fairies such as Oberon and Titania, Macbeth Witches, Ghosts, Roman Gods and Greek Deimigods, Amazonians, half-human, half-monsters like Caliban, warlocks like Prospero.)

Republic of Ragusa could be the Italian Illyrian coast. (Don't ask what happen to the Coats.)


Venice in this case won all it wars against the Ottomans, leading to a Venetian Aegean Sea and Greece, maybe even more. (Othello.) Ottomans get further screw over by the glory that is the Bohemian Empire.

The Union between Verona and Milan against the Bohemian Menace. (After they conquer the Papal States.)

With this Scotland, and a Norway that conquers Denmark, I could see a Scottish and Norwegian-Danish Canada and New England. (More if England is busy.) Same for Bohemian Colonial holdings.

I would think Gargoyles as well as Arthur Romances would make very good add on to the world. (King Arthur fighting the Saxons?)

Britain was never conquer by Rome, but rather stay a vassal of Rome, and later ally. (At least for a while.)

The Return of Antony and Cleopatra?

Shakespeare's sonnets would also be good to use. The Fair Youth, the Dark Lady, and the Rival Poet being like say immortals, or living personifications. (I already have in my mind the Dark Lady being this Carmen Sandiego figure.)
Having actual magic exist within the setting might be too far IMO.
 
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