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Mumby

Mumby

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A map of the British Raterepublics which rose following the removal of Quentin Davies' Revolutionary Vanguard from government by the Constitutional Union.

South Wales Raterepublic
London Raterepublic (federated with the Estuary Raterepublic to form the Thames Raterepublic)
Estuary Raterepublic (federated with the London Raterepublic to form the Thames Raterepublic)
Birmingham Raterepublic
Manchester Raterepublic
Liverpool Raterepublic
South Yorkshire Raterepublic (federated with the West Yorkshire and Miners' Raterepublics to form the United Raterepublics of Northern England)
West Yorkshire Raterepublic (federated with the South Yorkshire and Miners' Raterepublics to form the United Raterepublics of Northern England)
Miners' Raterepublic (federated with the West Yorkshire and South Yorkshire Raterepublics to form the United Raterepublics of Northern England)
United Raterepublics of Northumbria
United Raterepublics of Central Scotland
 
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Alexander the Average

After the Revolution

Partly inspired by Philip Cunliffe's Lenin Lives, which imagines a world where the Bolshevik Revolution succeeds in spreading across Europe and then the whole world, this map is set in an alt-2017 on the 100th Anniversary of the October Revolution. The world has been reorganised into a world government whose functions have withered away to only the most basic of administrative tasks that cannot be handled on a local level, such as geoengineering to counteract the environmental impact of a century of rapid global industrialisation. Monolingualism was eradicated globally in the 1970 and Esperanto serves as the global lingua franca. The world is at peace, the promises of the enlightenment have been fulfilled beyond the wildest dreams of its champions and capitalism and exploitation have been consigned to the dustbin of history.

Pictured below are the largest administrative bodies in the world. Although the borders a unifications might seem random and arbitrary there is a logic to it. The revolution started in Europe, which was also the more developed and powerful part of the world, so a lot of the decision on how to proceed were determined by Europeans. Because colonialism was defeated in its heartland instead of at the peripheries the various colonies were restructured into broad geographical federations instead of breaking free piecemeal due to insurrections. It's obvious that there are regions that had their decisions made for them. In addition with the revolution spreading across Europe the radical Internationalist and Left-Communist interpretations of the national question were much more dominant which effects the dynamic of how the borders are drawn, further complicated by the fact that there are nationalists who are able to couch their nationalism in internationalist terms and internationalists who directly or indirectly pursue nationalistic goals.

For example the Intermarium Federation between Germany and Russia was formed as a result of a compromise between those in favour of national self-determination who wanted the various nations there to form independent republics and internationalists who wanted the region consolidated as autonomies under either Russian or German control. It was ultimately decided that the region should be consolidated into a separate federation to alleviate fears of continuing German and Russian Imperialism through different means. The Benelux countries consolidated into the Greater Netherlands due to fears of being incorporated into either France or Germany. When Britain went socialist it was one of the most economically powerful countries in the world and still had control of its empire and it was able to use this power and influence to preserve its independence whilst the Irish flat-out refused to be reintegrated with them. When the US went red they revived and reinterpreted the ideals of manifest destiny and ended up encompassing all of North America and probably would have gotten further if it wasn't for the Hispanophone countries in South America forming the Spanish South American Federation. The Transdanubian Republic is a descendent of the Hungarian Soviet Republic which derived a lot of its early legitimacy from its commitment to preserving Greater Hungary. The Caucasian Republic is descended from the Transcaucasian SSR but with parts of Ciscaucasia, particularly the regions with large non-Russian majorities and pluralities, as well as successfully able to lobby for Greater Azerbaijan and United Armenia. Panesia was established later through the consolidation of the Maphilindo Confederation, the Australisian Federation and the remaining Pacific colonies and states.

There are proposals to reorganise the European Republics along more or less nationalistic lines, depending on who you ask, such as creating an Eastern Mediterranean Federation comprising of France, Italy and Iberia at the least and including Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia at the most. But at this point inertial has set in and the redrawing of lines on a map is much less important in a world of universal freedom of movement, mass-polylingualism and a century of internationalist social engineering.

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Skallagrim

Skallagrim

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Faeelin said:
I have some real questions about this book, including the author's weird assumption that Lenin died early into the Russian Revolution?
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I'm not familiar with the book at all, but that blurb on Amazon makes no such claim. Lenin died age 53 in OTL. Suggesting that he could have lived considerably longer, and that this could have prevented Stalin from gaining power, doesn't seem that weird to me. (The idea that this would have caused communism to spread all over the world seems... let us say less plausible.)
 
Clandango

Clandango

Beedok said:
Yep... I was very tired and realised I forgot Portugal and such too...
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Ahhh, I figured you just didn't get to those regions before. Anyways, certainly looks to be the most Catholic of your worlds so far. Almost a shame we have Iran instead of Persia. Well, not really. The map with Israel, Iraq, Iran, and Italy was enormous fun. Swastikas, Romans, people calling themselves Aryan... Going to be hard to top that one. Fortunately you have a great track record of just that.

Ahhh, and I look forward to seeing who it is that end s up with the red dot north of Tasmania.
 
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Alexander the Average

Faeelin said:
I have some real questions about this book, including the author's weird assumption that Lenin died early into the Russian Revolution?
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Skallagrim said:
I'm not familiar with the book at all, but that blurb on Amazon makes no such claim. Lenin died age 53 in OTL. Suggesting that he could have lived considerably longer, and that this could have prevented Stalin from gaining power, doesn't seem that weird to me. (The idea that this would have caused communism to spread all over the world seems... let us say less plausible.)
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He never makes that claim nor is it about Lenin living longer. It's more that the ideals and goals of the Russian Revolution lives. Lenin does live longer in the book but that is neither the cause of the success of world communism (that would be a successful German revolution) nor is it particularly important. After the revolution spreads across Europe and the wider world Russia remains a marginal backwater and Lenin a minor figure on the fringes of world politics.

Central to the book's argument is that the Russian Revolution was ultimately a failure in that it failed to spread beyond the borders of Russia and that with its failure we essentially lost the only window of opportunity for overthrowing capitalism and all we have left to look forward to is the mutual ruination of the contending classes.
 

Faeelin

Alexander the Average said:
He never makes that claim nor is it about Lenin living longer. It's more that the ideals and goals of the Russian Revolution lives. Lenin does live longer in the book but that is neither the cause of the success of world communism (that would be a successful German revolution) nor is it particularly important. After the revolution spreads across Europe and the wider world Russia remains a marginal backwater and Lenin a minor figure on the fringes of world politics.

Central to the book's argument is that the Russian Revolution was ultimately a failure in that it failed to spread beyond the borders of Russia and that with its failure we essentially lost the only window of opportunity for overthrowing capitalism and all we have left to look forward to is the mutual ruination of the contending classes.
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Ah, so he's an idiot.
 
PachPachis

PachPachis

Mumby said:
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A map of the British Raterepublics which rose following the removal of Quentin Davies' Revolutionary Vanguard from government by the Constitutional Union.

South Wales Raterepublic
London Raterepublic (federated with the Estuary Raterepublic to form the Thames Raterepublic)
Estuary Raterepublic (federated with the London Raterepublic to form the Thames Raterepublic)
Birmingham Raterepublic
Manchester Raterepublic
Liverpool Raterepublic
South Yorkshire Raterepublic (federated with the West Yorkshire and Miners' Raterepublics to form the United Raterepublics of Northern England)
West Yorkshire Raterepublic (federated with the South Yorkshire and Miners' Raterepublics to form the United Raterepublics of Northern England)
Miners' Raterepublic (federated with the West Yorkshire and South Yorkshire Raterepublics to form the United Raterepublics of Northern England)
United Raterepublics of Northumbria
United Raterepublics of Central Scotland
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You can't just post this out of context Mumbyyy I had to dig through your posts to find the PM list that supplements this!
 
Beedok

Beedok

Clandango said:
Ahhh, I figured you just didn't get to those regions before. Anyways, certainly looks to be the most Catholic of your worlds so far. Almost a shame we have Iran instead of Persia. Well, not really. The map with Israel, Iraq, Iran, and Italy was enormous fun. Swastikas, Romans, people calling themselves Aryan... Going to be hard to top that one. Fortunately you have a great track record of just that.

Ahhh, and I look forward to seeing who it is that end s up with the red dot north of Tasmania.
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They're surrounded by Catholics, but Pakistan is the sole Nuclear Power, and the 'Holy Land' is going to end up pretty Muslim thanks to Palestine. (Though also fairly Jewish... honestly Palestine is going to get UGLY.)
 
Tomislav Addai

Tomislav Addai

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The realms of Isengard, Rohan, and parts of Gondor greet you!
(Yes I know Rohan subdivisions are a bit messy,dont know the borders of the royal demsne, Westemnet and Westfold.In the North, we can see the Shire, the Breelands and the Red Hundred completed. Northwest of the Shire are the borders of the Tarma Lands.
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Danube Mapper

Danube Mapper

Tomislav Addai said:
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The realms of Isengard, Rohan, and parts of Gondor greet you!
(Yes I know Rohan subdivisions are a bit messy,dont know the borders of the royal demsne, Westemnet and Westfold.In the North, we can see the Shire, the Breelands and the Red Hundred completed. Northwest of the Shire are the borders of the Tarma Lands.
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Needs some cleaning up. The divisions and borders don't look like they go on the map.
 
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