Map Thread XVII

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Upvoteanthology, Sep 20, 2017.

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  1. Panzer Well-Known Member

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    Japan would still desire Pacific islands and I never meant to say no action was taken, just the US never militarized.

    Sea Lion is also impossible but we hand wave some stuff for a more interesting scenario. And yeah, it's mostly useless salt flats.
     
  2. Faeelin Lord of Ten Thousand Years

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    I will not have this slander against Bukharin.
     
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  3. Panzer Well-Known Member

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    As posted on our Reddit:

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  4. Kaiser_Jaeger Well-Known Member

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    Wow. Those are really well done. Sad to see you go. But they always say if you're going out, go out with a bang. I'd say these constitute one helluva bang. Good luck in your future endeavors.
     
  5. Admiral A. Kolchak Supreme Leader

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    This will be a HOI4 mod? I can't wait!
     
  6. PachPachis Loicensed

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    I mean considering the Atlas explicitly says previous editions were forced to lie about the state of the world to match the party line, that doesn't seem super democratic to me.
    Ah yes refusing to sell oil to a conquering empire committing atrocities left and right
    much illegal
    many economic warfare
     
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  7. Marcus Sergius The Roman Soldier with an Iron Hand

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    There's an entire part in there about how they send "traitors to the revolution" to a giant prison camp, so I either flee to Texas, or I get sent there via prison camp.
     
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  8. Admiral A. Kolchak Supreme Leader

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    *cough* indians *cough*
     
  9. Flashman A Real Go-Getter

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    TIL nations are obligated to sell each other oil.

    OPEC BTFO
     
  10. DPKdebator Hmm...

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    What is the population of each ASR/FWS/etc.? I'm especially curious about New England.
     
  11. PachPachis Loicensed

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    Yeah I'd probably be dead or worse for criticizing socialism as well.
    Huh?
     
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  12. MoralisticCommunist Banned

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    Wow this is truly the most amazing piece of alternate history writing and mapping I have ever seen! It's definitely a masterpiece for the ages and I'll always remember you for the incredible maps you've made.
     
  13. damein fisher This bad boy can fit so many maps in it

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    So, I have a few problems with this. One, I would love to see your sources that the US in the mid 1800's had the largest navy/army in OTL. Because they didn't. [though you probably mean modern day OTL]. Also, I am fairly sure that Washington wasn't the most fortified city in the world in the 1860's.

    But neither of these things matter though because the butterfly effect. The US is weaker ITTL, it's population, and their political power on the world scale is smaller. Washington was destroyed, the capital moved to Baltimore then Philadelphia. The South doesn't just ''suddenly win'', if I'm honest with myself, I fealt that the CSA had been overdone and that my timeline would be taken less seriously if it had it. So I lied to myself, down played the British and French support, down played the power the slave states had and down played the butterfly effect to work in a Union Victory.

    You can even see this in my various CSA threads here and here. You can also see this in the wording of my USA map;

    The French in OTL would have supported the CSA, but only if the British did so to [which IOTL, they didn't]. In this timeline, the Americans and the British HATE eachother, there are many wars between the two and each takes pretty much every opportunity to damage the other they can. The British don't support the CSA because they like the CSA they support the CSA because they hate America.

    Though I do agree that in the early years following the Victory, the US would take as many opportunities as they can to annex former CS states, which they do, taking Kentucky, West Virginia and Arkansas. Perhaps they also try and even fund rebellions, but after a few decades of cultural divide, I just don't see annexation too likely.
     
  14. Panzer Well-Known Member

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    Yes it will be! Thanks for the support everyone!
     
  15. damein fisher This bad boy can fit so many maps in it

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    They never really ban immigration, it's just that the American's are general hostile towards anyone they see as British, including people from the British Isles, Canada aand really any other white people from a British owned area.
     
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  16. Selvetrica Duke of Corn

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    Sorry to see you go, I loved your works. I wish you the best
     
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  17. Rahxephon Banned

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    Funny how you have to resort to pathetic memes when you know your position is wrong. It was a violation of the agreement.
    Nice strawman.
     
  18. ETGalaxy Long live the King of America!

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    Well, here's a Russia-wank that I made where the White Army wins the Russian Civil War and later has a pan-Slavic government that, through both peace and force, annexes almost all Slavic nations excluding Czechoslovakia. Meanwhile, with the help of some angry Flemish, an exiled Prince Wilhelm overthrows the Belgian government and declares the Belgian government. During the Great Depression Germany goes communist while the United States is taken over by the Silver Legion and becomes the Holy Commonwealth of America. The alternate WWII of this timeline is between the Allies (Russia, Belgium, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Ireland, China, Ethiopia, and the Netherlands) and the 2nd Entente (Great Britain, France, Italy, Japan, and eventually Germany). The war ends with the Russian annexation of all of the Middle East (which it actually treats very well), the Russian military occupation of Britain, the humiliation of Italy, Japan, and France, and the dissolution of Germany which falls under the leadership of an EU-like organization called the New German Confederation. Britain's dominions gain independence while Belgium becomes a great colonial power. The same time the HCA goes on a conquest of Central America and the Caribbean and finds an ally in the form of Japan, which is eager to take another attempt at conquering China after failing in WWII. After emerging victorious in China the Japanese and Americans form the Axis which France, Italy, Tibet, Vargas Brazil, India, South Africa, and Fascist Spain later join. In retaliation Russia, the New German Confederation, Argentina, Afghanistan, Chile, Bolivia, Uruguay, Paraguay, Great Britain, Portugal, Ethiopia, Belgium, Pakistan, Australia, New Zealand, Korea, Albania, Liberia, and a Canada led by an exiled Huey Long form the Alliance of Democratic States. By 1960 (the year the map displays) the Axis and ADS have been in a cold war for about a decade and Russia and the HCA are the two world superpowers.


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    Not the most realistic scenario but I still had a lot of fun with it and I might make a few flags from this timeline.

    EDIT: Czechoslovakia, Romania, and Hungary are all part of Russia now.​
     
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  19. Historyman 14 Well-Known Member

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    Even with all that, the Union would come out on top.

    Why would America support the Canadien Rebellions? OTL, Amertica knew not to risk a beating from the Great Power of the time, and even in this when they hate each other, they should know not to risk to support a rebellion they knew would work.

    The UK may hate the USA, but supporting a slave base nation...still a bad taste in mouth for London. It would still be very abolitionist.

    The cultural divide be damned, fill America with some good old revanchism, beat the South again, and make them good little Yankees till the End Days.

    Really, by today, the South seem a rump state. Better vote to rejoin the Union.

    Still see Colorado/South California as a slave state, even if purely name only.

    So...the South would look like Apartheid South Africa and pretty unstable too thanks to states' rights and various internal troubles. It can industrialize, but nothing like the Union, or anyone else. (As slavery would be made useless in factories.. And the CSA be force to end it thanks to British diplomatic pressure.) Without OTL's northern investment, the Confederate industry will lag behind OTL in growth. It won't get any form of Immigrants. The CSA Army would be extremely small with the majority of their Military made up of state militia loyal to their state over the nation preventing the Federal government from exercising effective control over most of the country.

    I still don't get the part about seeing the Irish as 'British'. That's the furthest truth can find. If anything, they would be weclome the Irish with open arms. (If the USA had it bad, just ask the Irish.)
     
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    Americans were generally not very friendly to Catholic Irish OTL. Didn't stop them from moving here in large numbers.
     
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