Map Thread XVI
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Jcw3
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Defiance (the town and main location where the show takes place) definitely qualifies as those kinda people. Throughout the show, the New York Earth Republic is portrayed as this horrible force, this tyrannical obstacle to be overcome...and it winds up being a fairly militaristic presidential democracy. Like, that was one problem I had with the characters on that show. With all the shit that they're dealing with, you'd think help from a great power would be nice to have. But no, sad music plays when Defiance enters a closer relationship with Columbia. Because God forbid they have someone protecting them from raiders, highwaymen, razor rain, and all the other bullshit.
and thats just the usa and Russia, there also the uk and isreal and china as well and other nuclear powers. and that just the nuclear weapons, there other types of weapons of mass destruction as well.Oh, I did.
I suspect that if this is a full blown, northern hemisphere-wrecking atomic war, there probably would be even more atomic strikes than shown on the map. Russia still has almost 2000 immediately usable atomic warheads, the US close to 1500. (If they nuked Simferopol, Kerch probably gets it too. Not to mention Taganrog).
Huh, thought it was going to be on the slave raids on the Poles, Ukrainians, etc at first.View attachment 343205
The fact that I'm working on ANOTHER map is a tell-tale sign that I have no life. :^)
Yes, that's a post-nuclear Ukraine, but it has nothing to do with my last map...
This Wikipedia page might give ya'll some hints as to what I'm planning.
I'm gonna go take a break, cook myself some mince and binge watch some Rubin Report. I'll post the possibly finished project later tonight
If the Chechens go religious-fanatic, then they are going to either have to deal with their Christian, aetheist, Buddhist, and agnostic neighbors forming a common front, or they will have to try to and not piss off their own Muslim neighbors too much, like the Shias to the south. I imagine the Azeri, Georgians, Russians, etc will all be rather better armed than the Chechens.The Chechens would certainly take advantage of the post-nuclear chaos! The TL is set in 2019 A.D. so most of the world is still fighting over resources and control of whatever land is still fertile and life sustaining. Basically it's on the 'Protect and Survive' scale of AH nuclear apocalypses, in comparison to a 1983: Doomsday-esque cosy catastrophe.
Time to put all of the experience from them Doomsday-verse fics to good use. It's going to be in the style of a journal entry, written by one not-so-happy Royal Navy officer...
ISIS would also take advantage of the sudden loss of Russo-American support in the ME too...
MAD MAX: ALLAHU ACKBAR EDITION.
KitFisto1997
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I don't think the Battalion has the resources to stretch themselves that far. They can certainly hold their own territory, but some major expansion is out of the question.
The life of the Chechen state will be a precarious one indeed. But they'll certainly have enough time to expand just a *little* bit when the nukes come to both the Caucuses and the rest of (from the POV of Grozny) northern Russia.
Ahhh, no no. I meant that when I first saw the map I thought you had made it to be from the times of the Ottoman Empire and r Crimean Khanate, when slave raids depopulated much of Ukraine, which is why so much of the south had a strong Russian ethnic presence today. Because, like with the Germans settling in Hungary during the Austrian empire, slave raids had depopulated the areas so throughly that any sizable about of settlers could made a big difference.
I would do one, in sometime, but i need much more and better material as simething like a template.
Otherwise it wouldn't be a good and complete view of the Warhammer World.
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OOC: Honestly speaking, this is meant for an ASB timeline, since the premise includes mecha. However, I wanted to write in a way that this could pass off with a non-ASB PoD, so here goes. :3
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The Bitter Peace... that's what everyone in Europe calls it these days. The Weltkrieg that had put an end to a century of innocence remains as painful a scar for the nations of Europe as it had before. The collapse of the Russian Empire, the spread of communism across Western Europe... Much of our modern world and its problems date back to the end of the Great War. It is a bittersweet victory for the Central Powers, and a sour memory for the defeated Entente. In the end, who among us could claim ourselves the victors, and who among them can claim to have their 'honourable peace'.
1936, Europa. The legacy of our present state of affairs could be traced back to the aftermath of the Great War. The victory of the Central Powers - if it could even be counted as one - is very much a German victory alone. The unprecedented success of the Spring Offensive had vanquished her French archrivals, and drove the British out of the continent in shame. With Russia broken and shattered into civil war, and the Americans unfettered in its isolation, the British was left to sue for peace, at the risk of ceding its prime position in the world. On the negotiating table, Kaiser Wilhelm II made his demands. Mitteleuropa, Mittelafrika... essentially, a Mittelwelt. But the Germans were in no position to demand for their colonies returned, nor in the position to demand the British for anything. Perhaps it was fortunate for the negotiators that the emperor died of Spanish flu. To demand this much is to invite ruin, with the blockade still in effect and revolution so near.
The concessions made towards the Treaty of Versailles, in occupied Paris, supposedly secured Germany's position as the primal power of Europe. No longer would the British, French or Russians contest to German dominion. No longer would Germany be brought to heel ever again. Of course, the reality was that Germany only defeated two of the three, and of the two, one came back in a far more vindictive mood than before. The terms in the Treaty of Versailles stipulated thus:
United Kingdom
France
- Britain would cede control of the Suez canal to a joint Ottoman-German commission
- Britain would recognize Ottoman suzerainty over Egypt
- Britain would return Cyprus to the Ottoman Empire
- South Africa would gain the German colony of Namibia
- Australia would gain the colony of German New Guinea
Serbia
- France would cede all of Equatorial Africa south of Chad, and the colony of Djibouti to Germany
- The departments of northwestern France would be subject to German occupation and economic control, to pay for reparations
- France would relinquish all claims to Alsace-Lorraine in perpetuity.
- France would be subjected to military restrictions, in terms of army size and military hardware
Italy
- Serbia would cede the regions of Kosovo and western Macedonia to Albania
- Serbia would be subject to Austro-Hungarian occupation
- Serbia would renounce all claims to the region of Bosnia and Herzegovina
- Serbia would be forbidden to unify with Montenegro
- Serbia would accept primary responsibility for the triggering of the Great War
- Serbia would cede Vardar Macedonia to Bulgaria
Greece
- Italy would cede Venetia to Austria-Hungary
- Italy would return the Dodecanese and Libya to the Ottoman Empire
- Italy would cede Eritrea and Italian Somaliland to Abyssinia
Portugal
- Greece would cede the Ionian islands to Austria-Hungary
- Greece would cede Western Thrace to Bulgaria
- Greece would cede the northern Aagean islands to the Ottoman Empire
Belgium
- Portugal would cede Cabinda to Germany
- Portugal would relinquish all claims to the Kionga Triangle
Japan
- Belgium would cede the Belgian Congo to Germany
- Belgium would accept a German advisory committee on management on all domestic and foreign affairs.
- Japan would annex the German East Indies.
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- The Entente would recognize all terms of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, signed by the Russian Provisional Government, and the Treaty of Craiova, signed by Romania.
- The Entente would withdraw its forces from the German colonies of Togo, Kamerun and Tanganyika
The price was strangely disproportionate. Of the defeated Entente powers on the table, it was the British, Japanese, and Portuguese that came out with the least amount of damage. In fact, for the former two, the remaining Entente powers came out of the war larger than before. The reality was that the British were both unwilling and unable to convince its dominions to hand over the land, and the Japanese was in the position to deal to Germany the same naval humiliation it did to the Russians in 1905. Besides which, the Germans were convinced that by conceding their less important colonies to Britain's partners, they may be able pry them away. They were not wrong in Japan's case, but the Commonwealth proved too resilient for such petty hopes.
For the remainder, the price had pushed them to breaking point. Serbia was shattered, brought to heel by the Austro-Hungarians who demanded vengeance, and pressed under the boot of the Hungarian magnates. Greece's Megali idea had been extinguished, with PM Venizelos forced out of power and arrested for crimes against the state by a new, pro-royalist government. Italy was humiliated by the loss of Venice, their grand unification of Italy set back decades for the follies of the Savoy kings. And with her designs on Transylvania backfired, Romania was now forced to settle for a union with Bessarabia, a concession to a Hohenzollern relative led astray by his greedy subjects.
And France... France never recovered. The pain of a second humiliation proved too much for the French public, and anger poured over the streets of Paris. Blockading themselves, they set up the 'Second Commune of France', named for the first which formed in the aftermath of Franco-Prussian War. Spreading like wildfire, the Marxists took over the country in rapid succession, forcing out the legitimate French government into Corsica and Algeria. The French republic as a whole collapsed under the weight of revolution, with Indochina slipping from its grasp. Overthrowing the colonial administration under great risk, the revolutionaries of Dai Viet claimed inspiration from the Chinese Kuomintang. Even with the face-saving gesture of dominion status to the former colony, Dai Viet is now well out of French control, and well into the Japanese sphere. Siam herself regaining some shred of dignity, regaining territories that the French had forced out of her during the colonial period. It was only with British threats of intervention that forced Siam to back away, accepting only a quarter of the lands claimed by the kingdom.
As for the victors... I can't say things were that rosy for everyone. German enthusiasm for the victory quickly wore off when the costs of war became very apparent. Their plans for both Mittelafrika and Mitteleuropa ended up falling short of expectations. Instead of a German sphere where economic and political control laid squarely in Berlin, the German imperial government was left scrambling to hold on to Poland, with its energies sapped maintaining its vastly enlarged colonial domain. Finland, the United Baltic Duchy, Lithania, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia... all of them were beneficiaries of the anarchy that Russia had become, and while intended to be part of the German dream of a place in the sun, now hold their own against the ageing German empire. Ukraine, especially, has become a power to rival Germany and the Russian Omsk and Petrograd governments, its reach extended even into Lemberg. In the Balkans reigns the Tsar, as Bulgaria usurps the Ottomans as the prime power of the region. As the Ottoman attention squarely in Asia, Bulgaria's future had never been brighter. The enemies that once savaged her during the Second Balkan Wars now broken, Greater Bulgaria may soon set its eyes on greater ambitions.
The Ottomans emerged from the war hoping to have stopped the slow decline of their empire. In a way, they were probably right. And yet, for all their claims of 'an empire rejuvenated, Ottoman power had never been this frail. Governors of outlying regions have effectively drifted out of Istanbul's control, and the supposed jewel of its empire Egypt, is yet again a dangerous rival to its power. Control of the Suez is shared with the Germans and Egyptians, each with their own vested, often conflicting interests. And worst of all, its Christian minorities remain as restless as before, far from broken by defeat and oppression.
Austria-Hungary?... Well, it may as well have been dead. As separatist sentiment became more aggressive, the Austro-Hungarian empire drifted further and further apart. Hungarian magnates, eager for their pound of flesh, rallied under regent Admiral Miklos Hrothy, pulling Hungary away from Vienna's influence. Bosnia's new autonomous kingdom also grew outside Vienna's control, its complex demographics threatening to tear itself apart. And Galicia-Lodomeria is, for all intents and purposes, a Ukrainian domain, a personal union under Prince and Archduke Vasyl. And even within the Crownlands, friction between the Germans and their Italian and Slavic subjects have reached breaking point. I fear Austria is on the brink of civil war.
Yet, for all our talk of civil war, none could compare to the anarchy that is Russia. Formed from a hodgepodge coalition of republicans, conservatives and monarchists, Russia had ceased to exist as a coherent nation, carved up by separatists with German and Japanese assistance and beset by warlords and rival regimes. The October revolution that heralded the arrival of the communist Bolsheviks had forced its rivals into an unholy alliance to rescue Russia. Called the White movement, the White Russians had had to depend on German and Allied aid, somehow banding together, or perhaps simply fortunate enough to strike in unison, to thwart Trotsky's outnumbered yet highly-trained Red Army. Bringing the Bolsheviks to heel in Petrograd, the White movement soon fell apart on their desired future for Russia. Eventually, two rival governments formed to continue the standoff, the republican, social revolutionary government in Petrograd, and Aleksandr Kolchak's conservative, pro-monarchist coalition. Warlords and separatists of all shades had set up shop, from the Cossack Confederation in the west, to the Alash autonomy and socialist Turkestan in Central Asia. To compound Russia's misery, the Japanese threw their lot into the fray. Setting up a puppet, ostensibly pro-Omsk government in Transamur, the Japanese poured considerable energy into supporting friendly warlords throughout Russia, just as it had in China. And the most powerful of the Siberian warlords were the Ungern-Sternbergs. Regents of the Mongolian khan, their reach extends well beyond the unified Mongol-Turkic people of the steppes, its iron grip on the Transbaikal a source of great anger for the rival Russian governments.
Perhaps it would not be appropriate to call this a 'bitter peace'. Of the countries that have emerged from the Great War, the greatest victors are those outside the damaged battlefields of Europe. Japan, the rising industrial power of Asia, stands supreme on the Pacific, with the United States still caught in its splendid isolation and its former Entente allies crippled by reparation to the Central Powers. While war with a crippled, warlord-infested China seemed imminent, its control over its regional waters is unrivalled. With the distant Royal Navy set back a notch, its Far Eastern colonies are in danger of subversion. Already, whispers of an 'Indochina-style' uprising was spreading, and neither the British nor the Dutch are willing to take any chances.
Overall, these are... interesting times. Death knocks at the barracks of many nations, and blood continues to paint the soil. Germany's dreams of a place in the sun has melted away, its Mittelafrika colony and forays into Eastern Europe draining its limited resources, and as their allies break, challengers, new and old, emerge. What path would each leader take for their country. I will make my choice. What would be yours?
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Errata: Changed Newfoundland to 'responsible government'
Slight edit of my Kaiserreich-style map
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How the heck did the Mayans wind up in the Andes?
Ah! Ok then!
mfw I misread the post
Just FYI, Pepe the Frog isn't kosher around here (IIRC).
I dont know, I will rename them tho, I confuse the old latin civilizations
Billions of images available and use use Pepe?Ah! Ok then!
mfw I misread the post
Seriously?
DO NOT do this again.
My first map, a timeline where William de Normandie is killed at the Battle of Hastings just at the moment of triumph. His forces are victorious, but have lost their leader, and with him their claim to the throne and the Papal Sanction. With their position in Normandy being threatened by Britanny and various bordering Dukes, the Norman troops withdraw. Edgar the Ætheling ascends the throne, but Sweyn Estridsson decides to press his claim to the English throne after Hadrada's defeat and subsequent death at Stamford Bridge. Danish troops are victorious at the battle of Dereham, and the House of Estrid ascends to the throne of England and take of the mantle where Cnut the Great left off. Many years into the future, the New World is being settled by Europeans, a war for the Hungarian throne is being waged, and a Anglo-Danish explorer and conquerer named Brynjulf Steadig has just arrived on the Northern coast of the Yucatan Peninsula.
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