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You should've also shown the De la Poles' descent from Elizabeth of York, sister of Edward IV and Richard III. Gives even more weight to their claim. John de la Pole (I don't know if he's Richard de la Pole's father, brother, or uncle in that tree) was considered by some to be Richard III's heir apparent.
 
It's a wip, so no idea. Technically including the descendants of George, Duke of Clarence in the family try is a spoiler, so I'm also reconsidering that, too.

The tl:dr is that Richard IV is swayed by the arguments if an all alt-Lutheran priest and ends up in a diplomatic row with the Pope, while his nephew Edward de la Pole claims the throne for the Catholic side.

It's just that Henry was the name of the Lancastrian kings, so I'd have thought they'd have avoided it.

Of course Henry VIII did name his heir Edward (admittedly Henry, Duke of Richmond was still alive), but then his mother was Elizabeth of York so there's a Yorkist link there.
 
It's just that Henry was the name of the Lancastrian kings, so I'd have thought they'd have avoided it.

Of course Henry VIII did name his heir Edward (admittedly Henry, Duke of Richmond was still alive), but then his mother was Elizabeth of York so there's a Yorkist link there.
Henry was apparently used as a name for second sons. Something about it being related to hearth and home, with second sons holding down the fort while the eldest went off doing... Something. Don't know how long that tradition went on for, if it truly was one, and it may just be that a name is a name and someone liked it. Don't know of any St. Henrys, but Henry/Heinrich was popular for kings, dukes, emperors, etc, so there is no reason not to use the name. Though maybe just not for the first son. Might be they use Edward for an early son who dies before he could be crowned or their eldest son dies early in life and they chose not to use the name due to heartbreak. I think we could actually have a whole thread on name choices. Such as why the elder brother of Henry VIII was named Arthur.
 
There were actually three Saint Henrys throughout history, and all of them were from the 1000s-1100s.
Just looking over the pages for Henry and Heinrich on Wikipedia really tells a lot on Henries. I just browsed over these before, but seeing Saint Henry of Uppsala being an Englishman who went over to Scandinavia, while Saint Henry of Coquette was a Danish hermit who came to live off of northern England... I do wonder though if saints having certain names made them more common than others. I suppose the translations of names into multiple languages does hide the influence greatly. And now I want to find some threads on saints. I imagine people have filled them up with plenty of interesting musings on here.
 
You should've also shown the De la Poles' descent from Elizabeth of York, sister of Edward IV and Richard III. Gives even more weight to their claim. John de la Pole (I don't know if he's Richard de la Pole's father, brother, or uncle in that tree) was considered by some to be Richard III's heir apparent.
I considered that. In the end I decided that since Princess Joan's uber-catholicism (in memory of her late mother, who as-per OTL would rather have been a nun) would be more plot-relevant and "Richard III is my great-grandfather" was a pretty good claim regardless, this family tree (family tumbleweed, more like) was crowded enough.
 
Nice! A very beautiful map! Do you have any plan to do an alternate history map based on that?

Thanks so much! Not yet, but now where you say it I could do a remake of this:

http://arminius1871.deviantart.com/art/Teutonic-Prussia-Ethnicities-584058743
http://arminius1871.deviantart.com/art/Teutonic-Prussia-584057553

The scenario was, that there is no great plague in Europe and the eastern expansion continues. That means the states and populations in those regions will
change the course of history. What do you think?
 
Not really a map, but an WIP I'm having trouble with. For some reason, Paint.NET can't render 04b03 font at size 8 properly, and it comes out like this. Is there any way to fix that?

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Not really a map, but an WIP I'm having trouble with. For some reason, Paint.NET can't render 04b03 font at size 8 properly, and it comes out like this. Is there any way to fix that?

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You'll have to try and use GIMP or something. At least for the font, if you don't want to get used to the controls of it for mapmaking in general.
 
You'll have to try and use GIMP or something. At least for the font, if you don't want to get used to the controls of it for mapmaking in general.

Yeah, I know GIMP works with it, but I always feel like I'm fighting GIMP, rather than working with Paint.NET.
 
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This one is an attempt to move my work to a more "High Concept" standpoint, and heavily inspired by RvBOMally-style dystopia.

PoD is Mikhail Gorbachev getting hit by a rock and becoming far more moderate in his reforms.
 
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The American Civil War goes wrong for the north, but the north never forgets. Eventually, the South is re-absorbed (along with Canada) in the late 1890s.
In continental Europe, the German Empire grew much larger much faster; Russia and Austria-Hungary disintegrated in the late 1890s after Russia managed to gain more land in East Asia and Austria-Hungary was more successful in the Balkans against the Ottomans in the 1870s. As a result, the German Empire was more than happy to setup MittleEuropa pretty much unopposed, with only a weak Russian Republic standing against it.
Meanwhile, Britain and America were both hurt by the rapid reorientation of Europe, and France essentially bought into the German project to gain more colonial territory. Britain responded by shifting far right and America responded with another revolution, going far left.
However, Germany's empire was very fragile, and it would take a great test of arms to hold onto it. A bitter British Empire, Ottoman Empire, Italy, Spain, and China decided to try their luck at overthrowing the German system.
France opportunistically joined Germany, and 10s of millions of dead people later, the war was over.
Now Germany is rebuilding its Eastern Empire, and both France and Germany are decentralizing their expansive colonial empires. American socialism has swallowed peripheral territories all around Europe, and the fragile Russian Republic looks ready to fall to Communism.


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fashbasher

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Hi all :)

After another week of mapping work I can present you an overview map of all the german groups in Europe through history. You can find further information and a version with long information text on my deviantart account:

http://arminius1871.deviantart.com/art/Eastern-Germans-in-Europe-683120311

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Have a nice hot sunday!

Arminius

You're missing a couple in Denmark alone:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_Germans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Schleswig_Germans
 
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