I think I'm going to use the blank with the provinces. I have to make a proper map for Land of Wine and Beer.
This is huge and I have no idea of the amount of work it took you. Kudos.
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This is huge and I have no idea of the amount of work it took you. Kudos.
So long as you share, knock yourself outIt's so pretty! *Squeals*
You think I could have a shot making variants of them based on oriental religions for a map I'm working on?
The Great Mid-21st Century Crisis ended in tears and global thermonuclear war.
It was as close to the mythic "back to the stone-age" bombing as one could reasonably expect, virtually all of the developed world was involved and the rest of the planet was hit by the many consequences of the war- famine, fallout, depression, and rebellion. A changing climate that was not improved by a brief nuclear winter. In Southern Africa and parts of South America relatively unscathed governments became the new heart of civilization. In the Northern Hemisphere (and parts of the Southern) the inhabitants of the former combatants died in the tens of millions.
The actual nuclear exchange was relatively brief- no more than 48 hours beginning on July 25, 2034- but second strike weapons (mostly nuclear ballistic submarines) continued to strike at continuity of government attempts and cities that had been missed by the initial exchange for the next 18 months (as conventional forces feebly did their best to fight each-other). Fortunately most biological weapons burned themselves out fairly quickly, and the ones that didn't mutated into relatively harmless forms. Approximately a billion people died to the bombs themselves, another four billion died in aftermath (most from starvation or radiation poisoning).
Here in California and Nevada- fifteen years after the war- there are about five million Californians and a quarter of a million Nevadans with the populations finally beginning to rise again. In the early days after the war the California State Controller re-established the State Government at Bakersfield, only for Bakersfield to be belatedly annihilated by a submarine going back for a second pass a couple months later. Following an interregnum of nearly a year a surviving State Assemblyman managed to re-assemble a rickety state government in Visalia under himself as Acting Governor. The legitimacy of his government was questionable however, and he was unable to command the kind of authority the previous Acting Governor had held. Surviving military units recognized his legitimacy, but not his ability to give them orders, and when he ignored calls to hold elections five years later Inyo County broke away and formed a rather more democratic state government of their own. In Nevada a surviving Major in the State Police established a provisional state government at the town of Yerington but was unable to control most of Nevada and is largely ignored.
The two most powerful factions in the area are the State of Jefferson and the Temporary Emergency Executive (which most people just call Chico). Both were the result of successful warlords who draped their rule in a veneer of legitimacy and incorporated surviving government institutions and personnel into their regimes. Jefferson operates on a neo-feudal basis- the "national" government controls only Redding and the surrounding area while extorting resources from the many local authorities who administer the rest. A mix of warlords and pre-war local governments gone rogue, the authorities in question can do whatever they want as long as they pay their taxes, contribute troops when the "President" crushes less obedient subordinates, and don't rebel. Chico on the other hand functions under a dictator with absolute power- he holds periodic rigged elections to confirm himself and one other as Senators for the State of California. Together with his sole colleague he then unanimously elects himself President Pro Tempore, and is sworn in as Acting President of the United States. To his credit he's at least a competent sociopath- Chico has the highest standard of living in former California with electricity and running water for about 60% of its population.
Beyond that you have the various odds and ends. Most warlords either flared out and ended up irrelevant (bandits/isolated communities) or tried to go legitimate as happened in Jefferson and Chico. Still a couple of larger ones persist, demonstrating what government looks like when reduced to the level of an armed gang. A number of county and city governments continue to function, some such as El Dorado County in California (now based out of South Lake Tahoe since Big Pryce took Placerville) and Lincoln County in Nevada still hold elections and maintain the rule of law to the best of their ability. Others such as the Amador and Elko Counties have ended up under the rule of their own little strongmen, in one case the leader of the citizens militia, in another a county official who had ambitions. Various survivalist militias have crawled out the woodwork, most never getting beyond a dozen fighters, but the Nevada Light Foot Militia is the most powerful faction in former Nevada and has ambitions to establish its own provisional government. This is something that the Southern California State Militia did a little pre-emptively in Blythe. There are even a handful of Native American Tribes who are reasserting themselves as minor players in the game.
The slow climb back to peace and sanity grinds on.
I haven't decided whether or not to do the rest of the country yet. Criticisms and suggestions of tiny towns I missed are welcome.
Really well-made and good-looking.
I wonder what post-apocalyptic Northwestern Russia looks like in this one...
You HAVE to stop with the political commentary.An interesting horror story premise.
(Personally, I have trouble seeing Trump becoming less crazy if things don't go his way, unless he's slowed down by health problems - he will be 75 when the next election rolls around, older than Reagan was going into his second term)
Wrong Forum.
Somebody already made a map like that. I did NOT make this map. This map was made by Tsochar.
I did NOT make this map. This map was made by Tsochar.
Posted by Tsochar here: https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/map-thread-xiv.383564/page-230
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Ignoring the fact that neither Švitrigaila nor Žygimantas would even exist so far after the POD, I don't think this makes sense, because Žygimantas was originally a loyalist of Švitrigaila and only decided to coup him because of Polish influence (he was a Polish crony and agreed to return the crown to the Jagiellons after his death).
As Poland and Lithuania never entered a personal union in TTL, the needed set of circumstances for the coup likely would not happen.
It's a bit hard to avoid being a bit political when discussing a near-future OTL scenario, no? Or is expressing one's dislike of Trump verboten outside of chat?
Paraguayan Chaco still belongs to Brown Country rather than to South Cone Union.
Per Ian current politics means any statement that can not be responded to without referring to current politics as part of the response. In other words, yes. Of course the same goes for any other current political scenario that is controversial be it Brexit or Venezuela's recent election.
The goal is to prevent political... debates outside of Chat. Chat literally exists to provide a part of the Board where such utterly off topic discussions can be held.
I wasn't sure how to categorize those factions. It's a color for places where legitimate governments/authorities/personnel ended up under the control of warlords or strongmen. As I put it in the write-up;
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So in Jefferson for instance you have a warlord- natural leader who built up his own private army strong enough to seize and hold Redding- much of whose territory is governed by the continuations of pre-war county and city governments paying him tribute, etc. In some cases the warlord has descended on one such surviving local authority and announced that one of his lieutenants is now in charge, without actually getting rid of the pre-existing institutions.
You also have situations like Amador County, where the county organized a citizens' militia a la "One Second After", the leader of which managed to use the excuse of the emergency to basically take and rule as a dictator.
I didn't want to just color those situations red and call them warlords. If you can think of a good name for it, I'd love to hear.
I will take this as a compliment.
Something like 88% of the population of California died either in the nuclear exchange or afterward, so... at least you weren't alone?
Thank you!
I'm thinking of doing the rest of America, and maybe Canada as well, but I'm not sure that my mastery of Northwest Russian geography is up to the challenge.
No, the redirected rivers and streams are filling them back up, though they're starting to dry out.
Soviet Union has many warm-water ports.
The scenario is fascinating but I find the results to be a little weird.
Wonderful map. It's a real trip seeing my home town of Chico as the capital of a warlord state, though I think a lot of Jeffersonians here would be rather disappointed that they aren't the state of Jefferson.The Great Mid-21st Century Crisis ended in tears and global thermonuclear war.
It was as close to the mythic "back to the stone-age" bombing as one could reasonably expect, virtually all of the developed world was involved and the rest of the planet was hit by the many consequences of the war- famine, fallout, depression, and rebellion. A changing climate that was not improved by a brief nuclear winter. In Southern Africa and parts of South America relatively unscathed governments became the new heart of civilization. In the Northern Hemisphere (and parts of the Southern) the inhabitants of the former combatants died in the tens of millions.
The actual nuclear exchange was relatively brief- no more than 48 hours beginning on July 25, 2034- but second strike weapons (mostly nuclear ballistic submarines) continued to strike at continuity of government attempts and cities that had been missed by the initial exchange for the next 18 months (as conventional forces feebly did their best to fight each-other). Fortunately most biological weapons burned themselves out fairly quickly, and the ones that didn't mutated into relatively harmless forms. Approximately a billion people died to the bombs themselves, another four billion died in aftermath (most from starvation or radiation poisoning).
Here in California and Nevada- fifteen years after the war- there are about five million Californians and a quarter of a million Nevadans with the populations finally beginning to rise again. In the early days after the war the California State Controller re-established the State Government at Bakersfield, only for Bakersfield to be belatedly annihilated by a submarine going back for a second pass a couple months later. Following an interregnum of nearly a year a surviving State Assemblyman managed to re-assemble a rickety state government in Visalia under himself as Acting Governor. The legitimacy of his government was questionable however, and he was unable to command the kind of authority the previous Acting Governor had held. Surviving military units recognized his legitimacy, but not his ability to give them orders, and when he ignored calls to hold elections five years later Inyo County broke away and formed a rather more democratic state government of their own. In Nevada a surviving Major in the State Police established a provisional state government at the town of Yerington but was unable to control most of Nevada and is largely ignored.
The two most powerful factions in the area are the State of Jefferson and the Temporary Emergency Executive (which most people just call Chico). Both were the result of successful warlords who draped their rule in a veneer of legitimacy and incorporated surviving government institutions and personnel into their regimes. Jefferson operates on a neo-feudal basis- the "national" government controls only Redding and the surrounding area while extorting resources from the many local authorities who administer the rest. A mix of warlords and pre-war local governments gone rogue, the authorities in question can do whatever they want as long as they pay their taxes, contribute troops when the "President" crushes less obedient subordinates, and don't rebel. Chico on the other hand functions under a dictator with absolute power- he holds periodic rigged elections to confirm himself and one other as Senators for the State of California. Together with his sole colleague he then unanimously elects himself President Pro Tempore, and is sworn in as Acting President of the United States. To his credit he's at least a competent sociopath- Chico has the highest standard of living in former California with electricity and running water for about 60% of its population.
Beyond that you have the various odds and ends. Most warlords either flared out and ended up irrelevant (bandits/isolated communities) or tried to go legitimate as happened in Jefferson and Chico. Still a couple of larger ones persist, demonstrating what government looks like when reduced to the level of an armed gang. A number of county and city governments continue to function, some such as El Dorado County in California (now based out of South Lake Tahoe since Big Pryce took Placerville) and Lincoln County in Nevada still hold elections and maintain the rule of law to the best of their ability. Others such as the Amador and Elko Counties have ended up under the rule of their own little strongmen, in one case the leader of the citizens militia, in another a county official who had ambitions. Various survivalist militias have crawled out the woodwork, most never getting beyond a dozen fighters, but the Nevada Light Foot Militia is the most powerful faction in former Nevada and has ambitions to establish its own provisional government. This is something that the Southern California State Militia did a little pre-emptively in Blythe. There are even a handful of Native American Tribes who are reasserting themselves as minor players in the game.
The slow climb back to peace and sanity grinds on.
I haven't decided whether or not to do the rest of the country yet. Criticisms and suggestions of tiny towns I missed are welcome.
I find Pennsylvania going to Zuckerberg strange based off the way its neighboring states voted (it would probably vote for either Trump or Warren), and Washington would probably go to Zuckerberg in this scenario.
More fanmail to @Beedok- here's the languages of H World, when a major voyage from an enterprising Honduran-born Cuban reestablishes contact between the politically disintegrating and technologically gradually regressing Eastern and Western Hemispheres. In both (up to now essentially independent hemispheres) the spoken languages have drifted substantially from where they were a few centuries ago, but pre-event Spanish and Hungarian remain the written lingua franca-s (despite some impressive things been recorded in Haitian Creole and Romani).
Jamaican differs mainly from Kreyol in that while Kreyol still rederives academic and political words from French, Jamaican now uses Spanish. Two creole (hah) languages have formed between Syrian Arabic and Hungarian, both of which (along with Szjarab, a contraction of 'Szir Arab' or 'Syrian Arabic') are written with a Latin Orthography based on Hungarian.
Jamaican differs mainly from Kreyol in that while Kreyol still rederives academic and political words from French, Jamaican now uses Spanish. Two creole (hah) languages have formed between Syrian Arabic and Hungarian, both of which (along with Szjarab, a contraction of 'Szir Arab' or 'Syrian Arabic') are written with a Latin Orthography based on Hungarian.
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