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Fly Not Yet ~ An Independent Western Australia​

This world diverges from our own in the 1890s, wherein the British consolidate their Antarctic territories a decade earlier than OTL and in the process claim the Kerguelen Islands before the French can. Paris protests, but are not willing to go to war over a frozen spit at the bottom of the world and in any event are compensated with the South Sandwich Islands.
Later, the British Crown transfers the island of Kerguelen to the Western Australian colonial government, which will instill a measure of responsibility and a greater esteem for independence, bolstered by lucrative taxes on the then endemic whaling and sealing stations. When Federation rolls around, Western Australia as New Zealand abstains from federating and remain a colony of Britain until 1910 when they successfully lobby for their own independent Dominion-status, taking Kerguelen with them to become the -rather opulently named- Kingdom of Swan River.
Swan River becomes decidedly less racist than the Commonwealth, and never institutes a White Australia Policy as with their brother country. This is not to say there is not societal discrimination or structural prejudice, but Asians, Africans and Southern and Catholic Europeans can actually settle in the Dominion from the outset, which regardless of their treatment is typically better than their mother countries. As such, it quickly becomes a very multicultural nation, with Perthine boroughs quickly taking on an ethnically diverse character, particularly of a Chinese (particularly from Fujian), Indian (primarily Biharis and Gujaratis), and Italo-Croatian (largely Sicilian and Dalmatian, respectively) nature. As such, Swan River's population is much higher much earlier on and at the outbreak of the First Great War possess a population just short of 500'000 people.
Following the War, Swan River's population further swells due to refugees and a more successful soldier-settlement scheme and by 1930 breaches 1 million inhabitants. It's at this time that the landmark Citizens Act is passed, granting citizenship to their Catholic and Asian and, perhaps more importantly, their Aboriginal residents, as their respective populations constitute a third of the country's and cannot reasonably continue to be discriminated against. Whilst this leads to a great backlash in the neighbouring Commonwealth of Australia, in the long term it will lead to an earlier abolition of the White Australia Policy and indirectly spearheads a trend in the British Empire of breaking down the social barriers between different ethnic groups, and one major consequence herein is that Apartheid never occurs.
The economy becomes dependent on mining and heavy industries much earlier than OTL simply due to their larger population facilitating more prospecting than IOTL, and valuable deposits of iron, nickel and other minerals are discovered as early as the late 1930s, which boosts their economy following the Great Depression. Later, this would be bolstered by petroleum refinement and exportation. Agriculture remained and remains an important industry, with wineries, wheat, cattle and sheep farming all contributing great proportions to the national GDP.
Following the Second Great War the population further expands with the addition of large quantities of refugees, this time primarily from the Balkans, Poland and France, Vietnam and the Philippines, who were all adversely affected by the war. As such, by 2000 their population tops 2.5 million and by 2010, the Centenary of Kingdom, 4 million. About a third live in or around Perth, but other important cities include Albany, Bunbury and Broome.
It is an upper income country and has reinforced it's economy in areas unlike OTL, such as niche manufacturing in a similar vein to modern Germany, aeronautics (Albany is the second largest producer of airplanes in the world after the United States) and a notably high quality film industry, Wallywood. Though their exports are still dominated by raw minerals.

Given the more focused administration and geographic relevancy, as opposed to OTL's Parisian government, efforts are made to actually develop and permanently settle the Kerguelen Islands. Kerguelen cabbages, cochayuyo kelp, potatoes, antarctic fishing, mallard hatcheries, dall sheep imported from Alaska and ship coaling become essential industries on the island, swelling to a population of over a 1000 by the First Great War. Thereafter, a flood of refugees from across Europe are resettled in many parts of the British Empire, and a portion are settled by the Swan River government, a large proportion of which are therein settled upon Kerguelen, further pushing the island's population to 3000. Later on, the island's population will explode to a high of 22'000 people as advanced farming techniques, coal deposits and natural gas make the island rather more profitable, and it becomes a key route between the Cape of Good Hope and Swan River proper, especially upon the outbreak of the Second Great War.
Long term, however, the island's population dwindles to a stable 12'000, seasonally bolstered by tourists and transient agriculturalists and fishermen to a yearly high of 14'000. In the modern day, Kerguelen maintains it's wealth and productivity in it's traditional industries of dall sheep and natural gas, but also in the communications industry and as a center of antarctic exploration and research, and the University of Kerguelen is an internationally recognised institution.

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The title comes from an old melody about the Swan River, obviously called 'Fly Not Yet'. I thought it worked. This took me a few days to make, and boy was it a task. I hope you enjoy it! I actually wrote the Kerguelen paragraphs before the Swan River paragraphs so if there's a thematic clash there for whatever reason just let me know.
 
Plus it seems somewhat less likely that the Romanians will be pressured to give up a portion of Dobruja back to Bulgaria. Nor do they have Banat, which is Serbo-Romanian here? I expect that is an interesting mix. Still, I imagine the Romanians might feel pressure from Magyars, Bulgarians, Pomaks, Turks, Ukranians, various Germans, etc for some autonomy. Though just as probable that all the countries offering homelands, besides the Bulgarians, would just ask that they are treated well and leave it at that. That, or use them to fill up areas needing more settlers.

Does this map show Bulgaria losing land to the Ottomans? Might just be one or two pixels off that is distorting my vew. Could be my imagination. And I am searching and searching, but can't find the name of the city the Turks gave to the Bulgarians during WWI as a sign of good faith. Anyways, they keep that here or the Greeks grab it? I suppose the Bulgarians can at least look with pursed lips at the heirs of the Russian Empire. Insult them about their use of the title Czar/Tsar, then abandon it in favor of Emperor and Autocrat? Such a snub. So, who the Russian exiles get along with? The Greeks? Transcaucasians, due the Armenians and Georgians, rebels or not? And I am kind of surprised the Ukraine only claims that one area, with the exact borders of an SSR. Unless that SSR also has the Kuban area to the south in it? Were the Tartars kicked out of Crimea for Russian emigres and servicemen? Is Dalmatia with the Italian subdivision in the Austrian thing? And almost surprising Somalia isn't dark green outlined like most of the southern Ottoman lands (besides Asir) are. They continue the old Ottoman practice of giving most administrative jobs to the local elites, even if the jobs are not hereditary or anything? And why is Asir not given the same treatment as the other areas? And I see that not only is Saar/Bavarian Palantine swallowed up by the Rhineland, but that you got rid of the Hanseatic cities and the Prussian Saxony and the Kingdom of Saxony have been united, as have the two Meckleburgs. Ahh, and a little weird why the British and French would give Poland a colony. Fun, but if the British and French couldnt decide how to divide it, the Brits could just keep it. After all, they captured it. Plus Kamerun, which they gave the most of the France.

Serbia did gain a small portion of the Banat, though the majority stayed with the United States of Greater Austria as an autonomous state inhabited by Serbo-Croatians, Romanians, Germans, and Hungarians. Romania has some problems with some radical ethnic nationalists but it's nothing major.

Yes, Bulgaria did lose lands to the Ottomans, basically the stretch of land they lost to them during the Second Balkan War east of the Maritsa River (s. this map). And I can't find that city either but it has likely stayed Ottoman in this timeline. The Russian Empire-in-exile has best ties with their former main Entente allies Britain and France, and as well as Greece and Serbia. The relations to Transcaucasia are minimal, and the basic policy of Russia is that they want to regain all Soviet territory and maybe a corridor connecting Crimea to the rest of Russia. The Russian Empire has also been encouraging Tatar emigration to the Ottoman Empire in order to free up land for Russian emigres. Kuban is separate from the Donbass ASSR, and the reason that Ukraine's claim matches with Donbass is because that's what they formally claim (they adjusted it from time to time). There are some elements in Ukraine that claim more territory but that's the political fringe.

Somalia, as a mandated territory, is not comparable to the autonomous vilayets of the Ottoman Empire, and hence not given the darker outline. Asir is kept under tighter Ottoman control for strategic reasons (mostly the port of Jizan). And the Ottomans still partially rely upon local elites for governance but reforms passed towards the end of the war decreased that reliance.

Regarding Germany the territorial reforms passed are mostly based on the OTL proposals by Hugo Preuss in 1919 (s. this map), though in North Germany I made some alterations. Regarding Togo that is something mostly inspired by the OTL proposal that the colony should become a mandate of Czechoslovakia. Due to Czechia not being able to pick up that mantle I decided to give it to Poland just for laughs.
 
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Inspired by the recent announcement by Amazon for a new alternate history show titled Black America, here's my take on the show's premise of a harsher reconstruction resulting in the formation of a freedmen republic called New Colonia in the Deep South.

Addendum: this is not an accurate representation of the area as you will be able to see it in the show.
 
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Inspired by the recent announcement by Amazon for a new alternate history show titled Black America, here's my take on the show's premise of a harsher reconstruction resulting in the formation of a freedmen republic called New Colonia in the Deep South.

Louisiana should be part of New Colonia, too. Then again, I guess this is your version of it rather an accurate depiction (since I think it's very optimistic to think a TV producer will be renaming states and creating new ones rather than literally just giving the OTL states of Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana to New Colonia).
 
Louisiana should be part of New Colonia, too. Then again, I guess this is your version of it rather an accurate depiction (since I think it's very optimistic to think a TV producer will be renaming states and creating new ones rather than literally just giving the OTL states of Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana to New Colonia).

Yeah, I took some creative liberties with it because I didn't like the idea of the US losing the port of New Orleans (and because everyone can do an accurate map of New Colonia if they follow only the rudimentary premise we know of).
 
Yeah, I took some creative liberties with it because I didn't like the idea of the US losing the port of New Orleans (and because everyone can do an accurate map of New Colonia if they follow only the rudimentary premise we know of).

Funny, that was my first though when I read the premise, too (why would the US give up New Orleans?).
 
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Inspired by the recent announcement by Amazon for a new alternate history show titled Black America, here's my take on the show's premise of a harsher reconstruction resulting in the formation of a freedmen republic called New Colonia in the Deep South.

Addendum: this is not an accurate representation of the area as you will be able to see it in the show.

Nice. Although, TBH, why was Florida renamed, but not Georgia? And why not just give the state of Lincoln the *Texas Panhandle, too? It would look much better, if you ask me. (It would make more sense, too)
 
Funny, that was my first though when I read the premise, too (why would the US give up New Orleans?).

They just wouldn't. Honestly I doubt the United States government would accept any loss in territory to create a Freedmen republic having just bled for years to keep the country together. Still, if they did, New Orleans? The city through which all trade on the Mississippi goes? Definitely not. It'd probably be an unacceptable loss to Washington.
 
They just wouldn't. Honestly I doubt the United States government would accept any loss in territory to create a Freedmen republic having just bled for years to keep the country together. Still, if they did, New Orleans? The city through which all trade on the Mississippi goes? Definitely not. It'd probably be an unacceptable loss to Washington.
The most that I see would be deliberately making two negro majority states (SC and Mississippi?) and making sure that they *stay* under functionally negro control. And *maybe* a support for a larger Liberia...
 
Nice. Although, TBH, why was Florida renamed, but not Georgia? And why not just give the state of Lincoln the *Texas Panhandle, too? It would look much better, if you ask me. (It would make more sense, too)

To be honest I just couldn't think of a good alternate name for Georgia and just like Texas and Louisiana I wanted to keep some names around. And I based that Lincoln border on an OTL proposal discussed in front of the senate in 1869 with the Colorado River serving as the line of division.
 
So I used to see maps like this floating around, except they were huge and significantly more detailed, and people appeared to have done them for most of the world. Does anyone know what I'm talking about, or where I could find them? They tended to be regional, like a map of the Baltics, or a map of the UK, or a map of Italy.

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