Not much bigger than OTL 1914 or an Allies Victorious WWI Russia (although I do find that annexation of northern Sweden to Finland a bit gratuitous
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Not much bigger than OTL 1914 or an Allies Victorious WWI Russia (although I do find that annexation of northern Sweden to Finland a bit gratuitous
)A continuation of this map
It's 2000, and the People's Bulwark has been dead for a decade. The Union of American Socialists broke itself fighting in the Brazilian Civil War, the embargo from Europe and the Middle East and the money and lives spent ensuring that Brazil would become a communist state were too much. When the UAS fell so too did most of the Central American communist states. The South American Communists survived thanks to the Democratic Republic of Brazil. The Gulf Coast region of the UAS ended up joining with the United States of America which began to liberalize after the death of Generalissimo MacArthur and became an economic power house. It caused a massive economic burden on the USA and made the Americanos realize that they had very little desire to reunite with the remainder of their old homeland. A decent amount of young people call the country Cuba (much to the chagrin of those from Puerto Rico), but even after the USA recognized the various nations that emerged after the fall of the UAS the government hasn't made any moves to change the countries name. While the European Empires did not fall completely, they continued their general trend of releasing their colonies and losing influence as China continued to grow in power. The German states, kept apart since the Moroccan War, have created a new Zollverein that includes the Empire of Austria-Bohemia and economically threatens Frances century of European hegemony.
It's 2000, and the People's Bulwark has been dead for a decade. The Union of American Socialists broke itself fighting in the Brazilian Civil War, the embargo from Europe and the Middle East and the money and lives spent ensuring that Brazil would become a communist state were too much. When the UAS fell so too did most of the Central American communist states. The South American Communists survived thanks to the Democratic Republic of Brazil. The Gulf Coast region of the UAS ended up joining with the United States of America which began to liberalize after the death of Generalissimo MacArthur and became an economic power house. It caused a massive economic burden on the USA and made the Americanos realize that they had very little desire to reunite with the remainder of their old homeland. A decent amount of young people call the country Cuba (much to the chagrin of those from Puerto Rico), but even after the USA recognized the various nations that emerged after the fall of the UAS the government hasn't made any moves to change the countries name. While the European Empires did not fall completely, they continued their general trend of releasing their colonies and losing influence as China continued to grow in power. The German states, kept apart since the Moroccan War, have created a new Zollverein that includes the Empire of Austria-Bohemia and economically threatens Frances century of European hegemony.
In about the 1950s of this particular world.
Something something earlier emancipation something something no chuang Guandong something ALT-Crimean war...
The Russian Federation encompasses, in addition to its OTL Imperial borders, Xinjiang, Upper Gansu, Inner and Outer Mongolia and Manchuria plus the Straits Free Trade Zone.
That is true, the CBF's are multilingual areas of economic or strategic importance so that entire regions could do with their just native language along with Russian.
World War 2 - The Dead. Basically what happens if all the dead of WW2 were ISOTed to a virgin world. They still remember dying however.
EUROPE:
The USSR is a mostly Ukranian-Belarussian dominated affair, and the main world power.
Following the USSR is the Germans, who originally were led by Adolf Hitler himself, until the now-alive members of the Valkyrie Coup attempt overthrew them.
Closely behind the Germans is the Polish, who absolutely hate the Germans. They've managed to take over East Prussia, and some of Silesia and Pomerania, however Soviet Pressure and the 3rd Polish-Soviet war forced them to stop.
Romania was probably the worst off following the ISOT. Politically split, and with a lower than usual death count in WW2 the Romanians stood very little chance against their angry neighbors, being partitioned by the Soviets, Bulgarians, Yugoslavians, Hungarians and even Polish. Romanian Moldova is where most of the Roma migrated to following the end of the war.
The UK and France have managed to keep the peace with the much more moderate military dictatorship of Germany, though it's more because they're focused on Re-building.
Mussolini once again leads the Italians, allying himself with Hungary, Bulgaria, and The 4th Reich, a small state of German Exiles mainly from Stalingrad who fled to the Northern Coast of Turkey to escape Soviet pressure.
Other strange states include the refugee states of Africa and Arabia, Africa located on the Libyan coast and Arabia located in Tunisia, made from French and Italian colonial divisions respectively, as well as "Scandinavia" in Southern Norway, and "Spain" in Catalonia.
ASIA:
Asia's very closely dominated by the neo-Fascist Chinese, however the Japanese navy is still a force to be reckoned with, and the Chinese still are very low in industrial capacity, while the Japanese have the two full cities of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
The United States of America, is located in the Philippines and is an Authoritarian Democracy, which still claims all of the mainland United States.
Meanwhile, the People's Republic of China is more of a secondary power, with it's associate state the Soviet of Mongolia, made from Mongolian and Soviet soldiers who fought in the east.
Burmese forces united with Indochinese ones to overrun the Thai and Japanese soldiers in the area, forming the Indochinese confederacy, a very loose state that's allied with the US.
Indonesia is what came out of the Dutch East Indies and British Malaya, with it's capital in Java. The state is almost entirely indigenous, with the Dutch Soldiers fleeing to...
The Netherlands-In-Exile, a nation closely aligned with the Portuguese Timor Republic, and the British Malayan State. All three maintain good relations with the USA as well as the Indochinese due to the French population of Cochinchina.
Lastly stands Bharat. Led by members of Azad Hind, it's VERY anti-British, and often acts as a moderator between the Chinese and Japanese, but is otherwise very isolated from the world, much of it's population dying in OTL from Famine.
OTHER:
The two states outside of Europe (And North Africa) and Asia are Ethiopia and Hawaii respectively. Both vaguely are aware of the outside world, but both are the mostly technologically backwards, their populations coming from the Italian Invasion of Ethiopia and the Japanese Attack on Pearl Harbor respectively, though the Hawaiians are very sea-worthy.
Notes:
The World is very much a male dominated place, with the majority of the dead being men. Small populations of Latin American and even Turkish soldiers initially came back to life, however they died out within a generation or two, only a few settling down with the few women this world provides, their cultures being nearly non-existent. The Atom Bomb is feared immensely, as it is the last recorded event in real world history, and such the population is confident that it was the power of the Atom that reversed life and death itself. This has led to a relatively anti-intellectual world, though some scientists maintain doubt.
Not much bigger than OTL 1914 or an Allies Victorious WWI Russia (although I do find that annexation of northern Sweden to Finland a bit gratuitous
Ethnic Finnish minorities, nothing to do with the largest iron mine in Europe, no Sir!
Also, is, like, half of Norway okay then?
Isaac Beach
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Crossposting my MotF entry.
(How awkward, it appears we're both doing a Middle Eastern map)
The Turko-Kurdish War
1921-1923
Preliminary Operations, March through May
The Turko-Kurdish War is considered the first conflict in the second stage of the historic Great Game, following the defeat of the Entente to the Central Powers and the succeeding Russian Revolution.
Despite achieving victory in the Great War of 1914-1919 astride their German and Bulgarian allies, the Ottoman Empire soon collapsed to infighting, assisted in the case of the Arabs by the defeated British and to a lesser extent the French. The Kurdish Confederation emerged in the north-central Mashriq, with its capital lying in Amed, independent of any Western power. Fearful of reprisals from their former masters to the west the Kurds sought the protection and assistance of the new Russian Republic, enticing them with their vast and newly discovered oil wells. At the same time, with Germany focused on it's Mitteleuropan project and Bulgaria pacifying the Serbs and Greeks, the Ottoman Kingdom of Turkey turned to what had been it's opponent, Great Britain, in reforming it's military, civil service and rail system. Naturally, this lead to a conflict between the Turks and Kurds as clients of the British and Russians, respectively. The match that lit the conflict were the mounting revolts in the western cities of Elazığ and Şanlıurfa, Turkish majority cities that were none too happy with the implementation of Kurdish laws and language. As the conflict mounted so did the associated deaths on both sides, leading to revenge killings in the few remaining Kurdish communities in Turkey, and the Turkish government resolved to intervene.
This map depicts the preliminary operations of the Turkish and Kurdish armies from the months of March through May, 1921, after which the Mashriq proper was drawn into the war and eventually Russia and Britain themselves, though actual combat on the part of the two was minimal, consisting predominantly of naval skirmishes in the Black Sea. Ultimately, Kurdistan won the war in the south but lost the war in the west, annexing Karkuk but losing Elazığ and Şanlıurfa to the Kingdom of Turkey. This would lead to a miniature arms race between Kurdistan and Turkey that was only resolved in a landmark detente in the late 1930s.
Canadians mostly assimilated into Britain, while the Americans either did the same or went to the Philippines. That's why Britain is better off than France as of now. Problem is there is very few American female nurses, and many just decided to stay with their wives, while any all-male expeditions died out.
What qualifies a city in this scenario to be ISOTed? You mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki so there does seem to be some standard involved.
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Miranda Brawner
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Cool scenario, Marcus. Did everyone wake up simultaneously in Aug. 1945, or did the resurrections happen throughout the war?
A couple of comments on the matter of population centres shown in the north. For one thing, Viipuri should be included as equally important to Helsinki and Tampere. In any TL the Viipuri area stays as a part of Finland, whether that Finland is an independent state or an autonomous entity within Russia, the city is pretty much bound to be among the top two - top three Finnish cities due to being the trade centre of eastern Finland/Karelia and the gateway to St. Petersburg. The OTL is a rare Viipuri-screw due to the "hard border" between OTL Finland and the USSR, and the way WWII caused Viipuri to go from a bustling Finnish centre into a crumbling Russian backwater.
Also, I think the northwestern corner of TTL's Russia (maybe call it "Greater Finnmark"
), should have some major centres shown, say Oulu, Luleå and Tromsø/Narvik (what ever names the formerly Swedish/Norwegian towns have), ect. Now it looks like a big load of empty land up there, even if the area is bound to have some real strategic significance to the Russians.
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It's the best of both worlds, the Germans aren't infringing on Polish lands but East Prussia gets to keep its fancy town name.
From the Faded Drabs of Certainty
The world as the old order knew it collapsed in flames with the African crisis. The burgeoning economic engine of Africa, a sand behemoth layed on the foundations of foreign investments, collapsed disgracefully when foreign banks failed. With almost all powers exporting their economic and industrial burdens to the African continent, the recipe for disaster was known and set. The world had only the time to pick up the pieces and start anew.
The world has coalesced from the doubt that cast the world into disorder, only to rise back up into darkness. The European subcontinent and surrounding regions, once a slew of small states tied together by a weak regional bureaucracy has federalized in the face of a blight that sees no culture or race. In the face of economic and social disaster, and a market so unstable regular commodities could collapse and rise in manner of minutes, the one thing Europe could not put a price on was order. With the democratic system clearly failing and further libertarian experiments producing lackluster results, the continents of pioneers would take the first steps into the new age. Technocratic Bureaucracy has proven successful in keeping out the economic woes of a collapsed industrial world, but has built in it's place an unfeeling government. People can go about their daily lives, but live in constant fear of monitoring by drone-police that tap in to their every conversation and listen to conversations that put the safety of the state at risk. Most often, they are ignored, but those who are unlucky enough to be considered a threat to the state are removed, swiftly and brutally, their deaths never explained to friends or family.Technocratic Bureaucracy has seen success around the world, adopted by Europe's Canadian, Turkic, and Brazilian allies.
Some states believe that the African crisis was caused not by the woes of unregulated capitalism, but capitalism not truly free of the chains of morality. India, largely unaffected by the African crisis, due to it's inherit mistrust of foreign outsourcing, survived the fall of the old order with little lost. As Africa fell into anarchy and warlordism, India sprung, and for a time had half the continent under it's thumb. The corporatism of old can still be observed in India and it's allies, the Maneuverist ideology of conquest by market rather than military power proving successful so far.
Some states have decided to transcend the old ways rather than emulate them, establishing states that push the meaning of human to it's logical extreme. Technocracy and the subsequent rise of experts has seen a completely different class divide, with people competing for the best mods to further their skills, a system just a flawed the meritocracy of the past.
Yet again, some states refuse to move on at all. The US experienced a fall from grace but subsequently rose with the RadMod revolution, a doctrine of extreme anti-extremism that has proven eerily akin to the totalitarian societies of the past.
The world is in a predicament that it has yet to solve. But the ashes of an ordered tired of conflict and endless strife may see it replaced before the century ends.
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It is future history - maybe a few decades from now.
Neither the EU nor the USE as a whole really want to fight a war with the other. The EU knows it is to weak to win, especially with Russia and Turkey in their backs, while the USE is a bit decadent and also distrustful of its own military.
Germany and France on the other hand are all set for war, the bigger the better.
The crusaders rule Iberia but do not really govern. Most of their territory is sparesly populated anyway.
The Hellenic Republic is Turkish occupied while a Turkish expiditionary force tries to stabilize the South Italian Regime.
Everyone woke up at the same time.
Buildings. Anything totally destroyed. Warsaw and Stalingrad are other examples of cities.
Something of a proof of concept of my recent Goodguy Russia obsession. Still a WIP/thoughtboard.
I would like to see this completed.
The Turko-Kurdish War
1921-1923
Preliminary Operations, March through May
Very minor nit-pick; apart from Lake Van and Lake Urmia, all the lakes shown are reservoirs dating to the 60's or later.
Apart from that, great map.
Likewise, Gaziantep, Kahramanmaraş and Şanlıurfa only gained the prefixes in their names after the Turkish War of Independence. Before then they would've been called Antep (or Ayntab), Maraş (or Marash) and Urfa (or Riha, which is what the Kurds would call it).
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