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Clandango

Clandango

theman7777 said:
By the time atlantropa is built Napoleon I is long dead.
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There is the question of legitimacy and connecting your dynasty to the civilizations that were respected and, to a degree, emulated on multiple continents. Wondering more about the Italian areas though, given how the heir. To the French Empire was King of Rome initially, and I doubt that they would downgrade future heirs in stature. Ports also become a bit useless in this world. And the Italians are all going to be enraged in one form or another.
 

theman7777

Clandango said:
Wondering more about the Italian areas though, given how the heir. To the French Empire was King of Rome initially, and I doubt that they would downgrade future heirs in stature. Ports also become a bit useless in this world. And the Italians are all going to be enraged in one form or another.
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They gave up the Italian territories because of revolts and separatism.
 
Upvoteanthology

Upvoteanthology

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Cascadian Ecoregion​

"The Cascadian Ecoregion covers three American states and two Hudsonian provinces. But the wealth of the region might soon be at risk, as the thriving wood industry has begun to collapse from over-forestation. In a world where wood is used for virtually everything, the breadbox of Cascadia is an important staple of the American and Hudsonian economies."

I don't really know the background for this scenario. I'd say it takes place in a world where technology is far behind our own, but business and social structures are still kind of similar to today's. In this world, the Hudson Bay Colony modernized and became a "democratic" technocracy (run by the leaders of the company, of course). Meanwhile, the United States continued its Manifest Destiny, but divided up the west differently. The territories and provinces of Hudsonia are smaller than Canada's IOTL (hence the super-tiny Stickeen Territory on the map), mostly due to them being based off of the original delivery/hunting regions the company set out for its employees. Today, the US and Hudsonia, along with Canada and Quebec in the east, are the major powers of North America, though a lot of the economy is based off of wood and cotton production, as fossil fuels are only starting to be used as replacements.

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Mr. BoJangles

Mr. BoJangles

Made a quick little thing to show US States. Showing some new states and some renamed states. Convention in the US was not to name any states after Presidents or other Founding Fathers.

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West Virginia took the proposed name of Kanawha to distance it further from the rebellious Virginia Washington State is renamed to Cascadia. Other new states listed below
  1. Philippines: One state, granted unique representation by Amendment to limit the total power of the state.
  2. Guam and the Marianas: Guam and Saipan are the only islands permitted visitation by persons not of Chamorro descent.
  3. Samoa
  4. Liberia
  5. Puerto Rico
  6. Cuba: admitted after the Cuban Revolution turned into a bloody civil war and the Pro-American faction came out victorious.
  7. Muskogee
  8. Crockett: Named for the Frontiersman and Statesman from the region who successfully championed its admittance to the Union
  9. Accomack: Eastern Virginia and parts of the Eastern Shore of Maryland seceded into the Confederate States during the Civil War. Re-organized, they petitioned for statehood shortly after the Civil War.
  10. Plymouth
  11. Superior: The Upper Peninsula became a state just before the American Civil War, further polarizing the Southern States.
  12. Cimarron: Organized from the Neutral Strip and the Texas panhandle north of the Red River after the Civil War. Mostly ranch land.
  13. Estacado: Split from Texas after the Civil War. Named for the Spanish translation of Palisade walls the region resembles.
  14. New Leon: one of two states created after the Confederate Annexation of the Filibuster Republic of the Rio Grande. Later annexed into the United States after the defeat of the Confederate States in the American Civil War.
  15. Cordova: the second state of the Filibuster Republic of the Rio Grande. (Coahuila)
  16. Coyote: annexed and renamed by the United States after nearly four decades of occupation. Northwest Mexico was a hotbed for Cartels, Mexican Revolutionaries, and Confederate Revanchists after the Mexican-American war; with the later group fleeing to the lawless region after their defeat to continue guerilla attacks and raids against American (Yankee) settlers. With the Revolutionaries being funded by the Cartels and supplied by the Confederates, the attacks were nearly constant after July 4th 1865 and continued until the US Occupied the regions in the spring of 1868. The California Peninsula, which was free from aggressive activity, was directly annexed into the state of California once the occupation began. Coyote (Chihuahua) was the first region occupied (1865), and the last pacified, with statehood coming in 1902; 37 years after initial occupation began.
  17. Sonora: annexed by the United States during the Intervention. Cartel activity in this region was the highest of all occupied territories. Eventually the populace was repulsed by the violence of the Cartels and aided the Americans in expelling them from the region. Statehood came soon after in 1882, sixteen years after the initial occupation of the area. The first of the Mexican Intervention regions to be incorporated into the US.
  18. Sierra: After the Cartels began to lose ground in Sonora, they retreated to the state of Sinaloa, this brought the territory into the Revolutionary Republic of Confederate Mexico as the fourth state (though no official government was ever organized). Joint American and Mexican occupation of the territory began soon after and continued until 1879, when the Mexican Army was routed at the First Battle of Culiacan in June. American Forces arrived weeks later and crushed the combined Cartel and Revolutionary armies in the Second Battle of Culiacan in August. The Mexican Army was again defeated in the Battle of Mazatlan in November of the same year and left the territory to the Americans in order to fight the revolutionaries elsewhere. The American forces pacified the region and admitted it as a state in 1888, and was renamed to Sierra.
  19. Durango: a hotbed for Revolutionary activity beginning in 1867, the region was not initially a part of the fighting with Americans until the defeat of the Revolutionary Army at the Battle of Parral in 1879 and the American forces pursued the revolutionaries to Villa Hidalgo. According to the Revolutionaries, the Americans had slaughtered the families of the village and burned the whole town to the ground. American forces claim that it was the Confederate Revanchists who had burned the town down when the locals refused to allow them to use it as a base of operations. Durango was not occupied by Americans until after the Battle of Jimenez, which saw the American forces retreat from the battle as ammunition ran low. This withdrawal from the city saw the Revolutionaries pursue the Americans for days, continuing the fight until the American 7th Cavalry chased off the pursuers back to Durango. In the Following Weeks, American armies occupied the northern portions of the territory in 1881 and the whole state by 1884. Mexican Armies sparred with the Revolutionaries until their defeats in Sinaloa forced them to adopt a new strategy. The American Army pacified the region and it was formally purchased by the United States in 1889, becoming a state later that same year.
  20. Kootenai: formed from the eastern third of Cascadia, the Idaho Panhandle, and the counties of Montana west of the Great Continental Divide. The region, geographically separated from all original states, joined together to form their own state based upon their mutual self interests.
You'll also notice the red border that follows the OTL border of Texas and Chihuahua. I am curious if I should make that a separate state as well or leave it as a part of Chihuahua. Let me know what y'all think and if you can come up with other names for states I've added. I think I may make this map more inclusive of my typical Ameriwanks but eh, maybe another time.
 

Minchandre

Upvoteanthology said:
Cascadian Ecoregion​

"The Cascadian Ecoregion covers three American states and two Hudsonian provinces. But the wealth of the region might soon be at risk, as the thriving wood industry has begun to collapse from over-forestation. In a world where wood is used for virtually everything, the breadbox of Cascadia is an important staple of the American and Hudsonian economies."

I don't really know the background for this scenario. I'd say it takes place in a world where technology is far behind our own, but business and social structures are still kind of similar to today's. In this world, the Hudson Bay Colony modernized and became a "democratic" technocracy (run by the leaders of the company, of course). Meanwhile, the United States continued its Manifest Destiny, but divided up the west differently. The territories and provinces of Hudsonia are smaller than Canada's IOTL (hence the super-tiny Stickeen Territory on the map), mostly due to them being based off of the original delivery/hunting regions the company set out for its employees. Today, the US and Hudsonia, along with Canada and Quebec in the east, are the major powers of North America, though a lot of the economy is based off of wood and cotton production, as fossil fuels are only starting to be used as replacements.

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Gorgeous!

What's that "continental divide"? It seems to follow the Pacific/Atlantic continental divide, then wrap around to the Pacific/Great Basin divice, and then...the divide between lands that drain to the Pacific through the Central Valley and those that don't?
 
zalezsky

zalezsky

Mr. BoJangles said:
Made a quick little thing to show US States. Showing some new states and some renamed states. Convention in the US was not to name any states after Presidents or other Founding Fathers.

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West Virginia took the proposed name of Kanawha to distance it further from the rebellious Virginia Washington State is renamed to Cascadia. Other new states listed below
  1. Philippines: One state, granted unique representation by Amendment to limit the total power of the state.
  2. Guam and the Marianas: Guam and Saipan are the only islands permitted visitation by persons not of Chamorro descent.
  3. Samoa
  4. Liberia
  5. Puerto Rico
  6. Cuba: admitted after the Cuban Revolution turned into a bloody civil war and the Pro-American faction came out victorious.
  7. Muskogee
  8. Crockett: Named for the Frontiersman and Statesman from the region who successfully championed its admittance to the Union
  9. Accomack: Eastern Virginia and parts of the Eastern Shore of Maryland seceded into the Confederate States during the Civil War. Re-organized, they petitioned for statehood shortly after the Civil War.
  10. Plymouth
  11. Superior: The Upper Peninsula became a state just before the American Civil War, further polarizing the Southern States.
  12. Cimarron: Organized from the Neutral Strip and the Texas panhandle north of the Red River after the Civil War. Mostly ranch land.
  13. Estacado: Split from Texas after the Civil War. Named for the Spanish translation of Palisade walls the region resembles.
  14. New Leon: one of two states created after the Confederate Annexation of the Filibuster Republic of the Rio Grande. Later annexed into the United States after the defeat of the Confederate States in the American Civil War.
  15. Cordova: the second state of the Filibuster Republic of the Rio Grande. (Coahuila)
  16. Coyote: annexed and renamed by the United States after nearly four decades of occupation. Northwest Mexico was a hotbed for Cartels, Mexican Revolutionaries, and Confederate Revanchists after the Mexican-American war; with the later group fleeing to the lawless region after their defeat to continue guerilla attacks and raids against American (Yankee) settlers. With the Revolutionaries being funded by the Cartels and supplied by the Confederates, the attacks were nearly constant after July 4th 1865 and continued until the US Occupied the regions in the spring of 1868. The California Peninsula, which was free from aggressive activity, was directly annexed into the state of California once the occupation began. Coyote (Chihuahua) was the first region occupied (1865), and the last pacified, with statehood coming in 1902; 37 years after initial occupation began.
  17. Sonora: annexed by the United States during the Intervention. Cartel activity in this region was the highest of all occupied territories. Eventually the populace was repulsed by the violence of the Cartels and aided the Americans in expelling them from the region. Statehood came soon after in 1882, sixteen years after the initial occupation of the area. The first of the Mexican Intervention regions to be incorporated into the US.
  18. Sierra: After the Cartels began to lose ground in Sonora, they retreated to the state of Sinaloa, this brought the territory into the Revolutionary Republic of Confederate Mexico as the fourth state (though no official government was ever organized). Joint American and Mexican occupation of the territory began soon after and continued until 1879, when the Mexican Army was routed at the First Battle of Culiacan in June. American Forces arrived weeks later and crushed the combined Cartel and Revolutionary armies in the Second Battle of Culiacan in August. The Mexican Army was again defeated in the Battle of Mazatlan in November of the same year and left the territory to the Americans in order to fight the revolutionaries elsewhere. The American forces pacified the region and admitted it as a state in 1888, and was renamed to Sierra.
  19. Durango: a hotbed for Revolutionary activity beginning in 1867, the region was not initially a part of the fighting with Americans until the defeat of the Revolutionary Army at the Battle of Parral in 1879 and the American forces pursued the revolutionaries to Villa Hidalgo. According to the Revolutionaries, the Americans had slaughtered the families of the village and burned the whole town to the ground. American forces claim that it was the Confederate Revanchists who had burned the town down when the locals refused to allow them to use it as a base of operations. Durango was not occupied by Americans until after the Battle of Jimenez, which saw the American forces retreat from the battle as ammunition ran low. This withdrawal from the city saw the Revolutionaries pursue the Americans for days, continuing the fight until the American 7th Cavalry chased off the pursuers back to Durango. In the Following Weeks, American armies occupied the northern portions of the territory in 1881 and the whole state by 1884. Mexican Armies sparred with the Revolutionaries until their defeats in Sinaloa forced them to adopt a new strategy. The American Army pacified the region and it was formally purchased by the United States in 1889, becoming a state later that same year.
  20. Kootenai: formed from the eastern third of Cascadia, the Idaho Panhandle, and the counties of Montana west of the Great Continental Divide. The region, geographically separated from all original states, joined together to form their own state based upon their mutual self interests.
You'll also notice the red border that follows the OTL border of Texas and Chihuahua. I am curious if I should make that a separate state as well or leave it as a part of Chihuahua. Let me know what y'all think and if you can come up with other names for states I've added. I think I may make this map more inclusive of my typical Ameriwanks but eh, maybe another time.
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Xibalba

Xibalba

B_Munro said:
Very fine. What do the two other colors (Hungary, Romania, the Balkans) represent?
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The darkish red (Poland+Ukraine) are founding members, The light red (Baltic States+Czechoslovakia) are the first expansion of the alliance, Orange (Hungary + Romania) are the second expansion and the countries in yellow (Greece and Yugoslavia) are prospect members.
 
Baconheimer

Baconheimer

fashbasher said:
POD: The US decides to "go homogeneous" after independence, abolishing slavery and using white Anglo-Saxon labor instead. The shortage of labor in the cotton belt (and in other flat, fertile areas) results n it turning first to prison labor and later conscripting the sons of white families who can't pay a massive fee to the treasury instead as well as encouraging high fertility and mass immigration from Europe, to the point that it literally buys white criminals from Britain and the German states as if they were chattel slaves. This horrifies even many moderate slaveowners (like Jefferson) who, while considering black slavery a necessary evil, are horrified at the idea of the government restarting the slave trade and kidnapping freeborn children. As in OTL, Jefferson isn't good with money, and when he realizes that the poor financial state of Monticello could mean that his children and grandchildren might be enslaved, his family flees to South Liberia, which was established for the black population of the Thirteen Colonies. Many other white intelligentsia flee too, with most staying in the temperate area of New Virginia (OTL Namibia) as well as along the coastal strip of New Georgia (OTL Liberia) and New Freeport (OTL Sierra Leone). The massive emigration from the US results in a much earlier Scramble for Africa, which by 1875 (see map above) is divided among Britain, France, Portugal, and Liberia, the latter rapidly earning acceptance as a great power. Indeed, Liberia now controls either directly (as the three states of New Virginia, New Georgia, and New Freeport or as the territories of Limpopo, Liberian Congo, Liberian West Africa, and Liberian Calabar) or indirectly (it has earned the loyalty of almost a dozen native states who have pledged not to favor a European empire over it). At the same time, the massive white emigration to feed King Cotton and the Breadbasket of the World has resulted in Poland falling to Russian, not German, domination and has resulted in both a slower expansion of Brazil into the Amazon and a number of indirectly ruled states (a Polynesian confederation loyal to Queen Victoria now controls the southern island of New Zealand and the massive Métis Nation is semi-autonomous, as is Lapland in Scandinavia). Conversely, most of Australia is still composed of minimally organized territories. The most interesting events of the past two decades have been the American purchase of Hawaii (in exchange for the Hawaiians getting a hefty sum of money that's allowed them all to emigrate to the Polynesian Confederation of South Aotearoa) and the ongoing American-Canadian border war driven by American farm settlers attempting to take over the Canadian prairies. Note: this is moderately ASB with rule of cool in effect, and you likely will have Liberia occupying territory on Continental Europe soon enough.
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Cool idea, though a bit convergent (which I'm sure you are ignoring under the rule of cool). It seems to me the POD might be better pre-Revolution. I imagine this world's US would sort of be a borderline Universalist/Congregationalist theocracy, maybe with a bit of transcendentalism later on. I also could believe a sort of dictatorship of Boston Brahmin, and eternal rule of an analogue of the Federalist Party, with alien and sedition acts

The idea is very interesting and I think it could be made better with some butterflies worldwide.

What is the deal with the Boer states?
 
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