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rvbomally

CannedTech said:
Oh I can't blame you at all, it does have elements of pulpy stuff like Iron Sky. The twist here is the Nazis on the Moon are the ones the world has to worry about the least. ;)
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Considering the end to that movie and the likely plot of The Coming Race, I think that's true for Iron Sky as well.
 

theman7777

I contend that the Holy Roman Empire was not a political entity, but actually a large scale piece of abstract art

Work In Progress:
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Minchandre

Jcw3 said:
Questions, comments, criticism welcome. I feel that this write-up was a bit clunky, so if I missed anything, please tell me.
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So, the one that popped out most to me when reading this: Israel feeds itself. It feeds itself very well, actually, importing only grain and beef, and exporting lots of fruits and veggies to Europe. So until it starts absorbing refugees, Israel isn't going to be feeling any food pressure at all.

One important question is whether or not the offshore drilling facilities at Tamar and Leviathan make the journey; either way, oil is quickly going to be a big problem, but they could buy it some time. Functional facilities could probably also help Israel to keep the electricity on with gas (which is the main source of power).

Aside from that, random thoughts:

-Repeating what Ephraim said about "Tel Aviv" and "Jerusalem"
-Also like he said, 40 nukes is insane. We're talking several million dead, millions more maybe over the next couple of years, and no one drinking any milk in Europe for a decade. Honestly, once Berlin is turned into a little piece of sunshine, I suspect everyone will surrender pretty quickly.
-I think that Israel would be both less generous towards Austria and more generous towards the rest of Germany. Modern Israelis are mostly over things like not buying German cars, and know just as well as anyone how enthusiastic Austria was in the Reich
-I'm excited to see the Israeli Navy - the most neglected branch since, well, ever - become of utmost importance!
-I would expect Israel to lay claim to everything in the Middle East with oil fields
 
TheBatman

TheBatman

Kind of old, but here's something I made for this TL I'm working on.
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Statistics:
Name: Dakota Southern Rail Corporation
Reporting Marks: DSRC
Headquarters: Chamberlain,SD
Founded: 1983
Presidents:
DSRC: Alexander Huff (1983-2009), Donald Kirk (2009-)
BRRR/NRR: Larry Wood (1988-92), Bill Dahlin(1993-1998), Tim Tennat (1998-2000)
SDSR: Jim Meyers (1985-1998)​
Employees: 22/28 (full time/seasonal)
Total Network: 659.6 miles
Active Mileage: 293.2
Trackage rights: 151
Inactive Mileage: 215.4​
Roster Size: 21 locomotives, 569 pieces of rolling stock (17 boxcars, 3 ballast hoppers, 3 gondolas, 176 2,700 cf covered hoppers, 20 3,500 cf covered hoppers, 350 4,000 - 5,500 cf covered hoppers)
Average Daily Trains: 11
Tons of freight hauled(thousands, 2015): 2,811,500
DSRC Subdivisions

River: Former MILW. Stretches from Chamberlain to Kadoka. Mostly 60 PPY rail, speeds <10MPH. Line in service to Murdo.

Plains: Former MILW west of Mitchell, SDSR/CNW east of Mitchell. Stretches from Chamberlain to Souix Falls. mostly 115-136 PPY rail from Chamberlain to Mitchell, speed limit of 25MPH. 80 PPY east of Mitchell until Ellis, where it becomes 115 PPY. Speed limit of 10MPH. Interchanges w/ BNSF at Mitchell, Souix Falls and D&I at Souix Falls.

Minnesota: Former NRR/CNW from Sioux Falls, SD to Avery, MN. rail is between 80 and 135 PPY, speed limit of 10MPH. Interchanges W/ BNSF at Sioux Falls, Manley, MN and UP at Avery.

Nappa: Former MILW from Nappa Junction to Platte. 115-136 PPY rail to Tyndal, speed limit of 25MPH. Line in service to Tyndall, used for storage 2 miles pas Tyndall. 60 PPY, out of service past Tyndall. Interchanges W/BNSF at Nappa junction.
Aberdeen: Former MILW, current BNSF. mostly 136 PPY rail, Speed limit of 40MPH. Trackage rights from Mitchell, SD to Sioux City, IA. Interchanges w/ UP, CN at Sioux City.

Badlands: Former MILW, currently O/S. Stretches from Kadoka to Rapid City. Most of the rail removed, but the state still owns the ROW.

DSRC Terminals(all are crew exchange points with fueling facilities)

Chamberlain: 3 track yard, "heavy" maintenance facility, wye, and locomotive exchange point for trains going over lighter rail. #s 581, 584, 76, and 8308 based here, as are all inactive units. #s 512 and 522 are typically stored here as well.

Mitchell: 7 track yard, RIP track, turntable, and 4 locomotive shed. Largest of the three active yards. #s 6925, 213, 506, 4427, and 719 based here.

Sioux Falls: 5 track yard, RIP track, and 2 locomotive shed. #s 1365, 1379, 5306 and 5309 are based here.

Other: Runarounds exist at Nappa and Avery where locomotives occasionally overnight. #s 2000 and 2054 are based out of Nappa. The DSRC has permission to overnight at BNSF's North Sioux City yard. While there is a 4 track yard in Rapid City, it is not used by the DSRC, and instead is used for storage by the RCPE.

DSRC Roster
Active units
B4-70ACeX2 #6925: Rebuilt from ex. UP DDA40X, using two 12-710G3B-T2 engines at 3150 HP each for a total of 6300 HP, replacing the D-D truck configuration with a B-B-B-B configuration, the cowl cab with a modern safety cab, and DC traction motors with AC ones. Wears the new black and white scheme. Usually handles shuttle trains west of Mitchell, general freight to Sioux City.

SD7s #512, #522: Former CNOTP and MILW, respectively. Dressed in the old black and red scheme. Spare power used where needed.

SD9s #506, #4427: Former MILW and SP, respectively. 506 wears the Oacoma/ South Dakota Centennial scheme, while the 4427 wears the new scheme. Typically handles locals west of Mitchell.

SDL39 #581, #584: Former SDSR/MILW. Wears old scheme. Usually handles locals west of Mitchell, especially those going over lighter rail.

SD40-2Ws #5306, #5309: Former MSWY/CN, dressed in the new scheme, Handles locals and priority freights east of Mitchell.

C420 #213: Former LIRR, dressed in the old scheme. Handles yard jobs and local switching in Mitchell.

GP30S #719: Former Soo, dressed in the new scheme. Usually mated to either 6925 or 213 to provide extra power when needed to help with their respective jobs.

GP9 #1365: Former MSWY/MILW, dressed in the new scheme. Handles yard and local jobs in and east of Sioux Falls.

GP7 #1379: Former MSWY/UP, dressed in the new scheme. Handles yard and local jobs in and east of Sioux Falls.

70 tonner #76: former CCW, handles odd jobs around Chamberlain.

Leased units (all units leased from DLCX)

GP10 #8308: handles odd jobs around Chamberlain.

SD10 #2000: handles Nappa-Platte line.

SD20 #2054: handles Nappa-Platte line.

Inactive units:

2 70 tonners, unpainted, used for parts for #76

S3 #103: wears old scheme, used for parts for #213

SDL39 #583: wrecked on MILW, used as parts for #581, #584

reference photos for pain schemes:
old: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2308270
Oacoma/SD: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2308268
new: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3956557
 

Jcw3

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Ephraim Ben Raphael said:
Interesting scenario, just a couple of comments;

-Israel launching 40 nuclear weapons seems like overkill and out of character, it makes more sense to drop one on a major German city like Dresden and then tell the German government to "return to your pre-war borders and let all your Jews immigrate to Israel, or the next one hits Berlin".
-Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, not Tel Aviv. I understand that some people don't recognize Israel's control over Jerusalem, but that's where the government is located so it doesn't make sense to say "Tel Aviv had a good panic" if the country's leaders aren't in Tel Aviv. It makes even less sense to say "submissive to Tel Aviv" 100 years in the future when it doesn't seem there's anyone even disputing Israeli ownership of Jerusalem.
-I'm surprised there isn't a Finnish state, since you seem to have included Finnish forces in Russia along with the ISOT.
-Is that an independent Netherlands? I have trouble seeing the color.
-German was occupying the Channel Islands in 1942, one would expect them to serve as the nucleus of at least a tiny "British" nation.
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1. Okay. You're probably right. That seems like a good way to get a modernized Third Reich out for Israel's blood in forty years, though.
2. Ah. I'm sorry, I wasn't aware.
3. There were Finnish soldiers, just not enough to build a country out of.
4. Yes, independent Netherlands.
5. There is, they're settling a small bit of Britain proper, but they don't have enough to maintain control. France, Norway, and Holland all have more power than they do over the island.

Minchandre said:
So, the one that popped out most to me when reading this: Israel feeds itself. It feeds itself very well, actually, importing only grain and beef, and exporting lots of fruits and veggies to Europe. So until it starts absorbing refugees, Israel isn't going to be feeling any food pressure at all.
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Really? When I googled, it said Israel was a net importer. My bad.

Minchandre said:
-I think that Israel would be both less generous towards Austria and more generous towards the rest of Germany. Modern Israelis are mostly over things like not buying German cars, and know just as well as anyone how enthusiastic Austria was in the Reich
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I'll keep that in mind for future updates. I'm sorry I was wrong.

Minchandre said:
-I would expect Israel to lay claim to everything in the Middle East with oil fields
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Again, that was something I should have taken into account, and will aim to do so in the future. This update was not my best work, and I'm sorry.
 
Cool-Eh

Cool-Eh

Jcw3 said:
2. Ah. I'm sorry, I wasn't aware.
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Again, that was something I should have taken into account, and will aim to do so in the future. This update was not my best work, and I'm sorry.
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You should do at least a google search are read a bit about the whole Tel Avi vs Jerusalem as te capital issue it's... controversial.


Maybe not the best you have ever done but still very good!
And only a few hours between the preview on your own thread and completion!? Are we going to see more of this faster paced schedule over the summer?
 
Clandango

Clandango

Jcw3 said:
Really? When I googled, it said Israel was a net importer. My bad.
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Grain and meat are pretty important. Just eating fruits and vegetables that are often meant for export will give you the runs. Need fiber and protein. Given how the West Bank is mostly Palestinian here I am guessing Israeli said 'alright, you say you are settlers? We got land in Egypt and Syria now. So settle it and get to work.'
 

BryanIII

LePlatPays said:
Somebody is jealousy of Valdore Javorski's mapmaking skills!!XD
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No ofcourse not! I could never do what Valdore does in the time he does it!! I'm only giving constructive criticism to make his maps historical accurate... if I was jealous I would nitpick and point out little inaccuracy that don't really matter, I'm just pointing out wrong country borders because they matter most :p
 
deleonism

deleonism

Clandango said:
Grain and meat are pretty important. Just eating fruits and vegetables that are often meant for export will give you the runs. Need fiber and protein. Given how the West Bank is mostly Palestinian here I am guessing Israeli said 'alright, you say you are settlers? We got land in Egypt and Syria now. So settle it and get to work.'
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This is a pretty decent reference for Israel's agricultural business, I think.

According to it, Israel (in 2008) produced between 206,000 and 346,080 (82,400 × 2.5 and 4.2) metric tons of wheat for human consumption annually (depending on rainfall). According to this, average global consumption of wheat, annually, per capita, is 67 kilograms. Therefore, Israeli wheat production in 2008 could meet the needs of between 3,074,626 and 5,165,373 people, which is a decent-sized portion of its population of 8.38 million.

Let's assume that the ASB is being generous here, and ISOTs everyone to May, rather than November, and in a year with excellent rainfall; let's also assume that Israeli grain production has increased since 2008 to keep up with advances in agricultural technology and its growing population. Being very optimistic here, let's say that Israel is able to squeeze out 370,000 metric tons of wheat, which would let it fulfill the wheat needs of about 66% of its population with no rationing, or 100% with a 34% reduction in wheat consumption, which is honestly pretty good. Combine that with the production of other grains, and I think Israel might be able to squeak by with little or no grain rationing at all.

As for meat, there are other meat sources than beef; Israel produces a lot of chicken, and if it were really necessary, it could slaughter some of its dairy cows.
 
Clandango

Clandango

secondmoonofuranus said:
As for meat, there are other meat sources than beef; Israel produces a lot of chicken, and if it were really necessary, it could slaughter some of its dairy cows.
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The Europeans (currently) have I think at least half their domestically produced beef made from dairy cows past their prime, so that is an option. Butchering healthy ones for meat would not be the best idea. They already have the massive fishing fleets for protein, but... Hmm, I wonder when they will begin ranching again. Sure, they could try in Kenya or someplace like that, but there are going to be lions, bears, wolves, predators of all sorts. And without humans, a lot of land will not be suitable for ranching. Many East African parks were taking from the Masai and other tribes that immediatly began growing into bush, leading to the parks burning them down until it was good grazing land for zebras, lions, buffalo, etc. This world may look very overgrown in places, while others will be dead without humans tending to it.
 
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