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Why do people think China wants to annex North Korea?

What does Chinese Google mean by that?
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I like how on both versions it's now South Korea that looks as though it's devoid of human life outside a few cities.
It's just new (relatively) Google algorithm. Their maps have much more empty space since it replaced the previous one. Don't know what was the purpose of that.
 
You have even included Neutral Moresnet. Though, oddly enough, not on the first of the two. Also, both maps have that bit of land Montengero later annexed as its own provinces. Wasn't it part of Dalmatia?
The first map depicts pre war Europe so there's no need for moresnet :)

And yeah, these areas were part of Dalmatia in Austria until 1918
 
You have even included Neutral Moresnet. Though, oddly enough, not on the first of the two. Also, both maps have that bit of land Montengero later annexed as its own provinces. Wasn't it part of Dalmatia?

The first map depicts pre war Europe so there's no need for moresnet :)

And yeah, these areas were part of Dalmatia in Austria until 1918

To be honest; although it had been around for more than a century Neutral Moresnet isn't included in most maps, Real historic and Althistoric alike :p And like Valdore said the Kotor area remained Austrian-Hungarian until 1918 however Clandango is right too in that Montenegro anno 1914(/1915) should be bigger then current Montenegro in the NorthWest portion.
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PS: I'm really starting to feel back about constantly giving constructive criticism :p
 
The first map depicts pre war Europe so there's no need for moresnet :)
Probably would be hard to find a good color for it. I was just tickled to see it in the second map though, as I hadn't thought about that old micro-state for years. Though I just realized that Italy is shown owning Corsica instead of Rhodes. Meh. Just one of those things from somthing long ago. We are here for the Belgian update after all, not some islands.
 
Argentina's 2015 presidential election, but if it had a US style electoral college:

Total Electors: 329 (165 required for victory)

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Daniel Scioli/Carlos Zannini (Frente para la Victoria)
: 224
Mauricio Macri/Gabriela Michetti (Cambiemos): 96
Sergio Massa/Gustavo Saénz (Unidos por una Nueva Alternativa): 9
Adolfo Rodriguéz Saá/Liliana Negre de Alonso (Compromiso Federal): 8


Winner: Daniel Scioli/Carlos Zannini (Frente para la Victoria)
 

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Argentina's 2015 presidential election, but if it had a US style electoral college:

Total Electors: 329 (165 required for victory)

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Daniel Scioli/Carlos Zannini (Frente para la Victoria)
: 224
Mauricio Macri/Gabriela Michetti (Cambiemos): 96
Sergio Massa/Gustavo Saénz (Unidos por una Nueva Alternativa): 9
Adolfo Rodriguéz Saá/Liliana Negre de Alonso (Compromiso Federal): 8


Winner: Daniel Scioli/Carlos Zannini (Frente para la Victoria)
There would have been a lot of campaigning in Buenos Aires.
 
Not to try and derail this thread again, but I've been wondering how how to realistically create a world where every state has entirely polygonal borders (only straight and diagonal) and make the borders look somewhat attractive as well. Any Ideas?
 

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The premise of this map is that November 1942 Germany and its occupied territories, as well as May 10, 2017 Israel/Palestine, are ISOTed to a Virgin Earth. This is the world one hundred years later. For the record, I want to say that I don't agree with the popular Austrian opinion of the world expressed below.

The Initial Israeli Response
*It took the Israeli government roughly an hour to conclude that its neighbors were gone. Syria, Jordan, Egypt, all disappeared and replaced with wilderness.
*It took another half hour to conclude decisively that the rest of the modern world was gone as well, besides German radio signals, and it didn't take very long at all to figure out that this was not Merkel's Germany.
*Tel Aviv had a good panic when they realized that the radio signals were coming from a Third Reich at their strongest, and on May 12, 2017, by the Israeli calendar, the first battle between Israeli and German forces occurred over Crete.
*It was a crushing defeat for the Germans, even with the Israeli confusion. The pilots had been briefed on the best targets, taken from historical archives, and the German presence on the island was essentially eradicated over the course of four hours.
*But the Israeli government realized that continuing this practice over the entirety of occupied Europe would be useless. Not only did the Germans have a larger military than theirs, even if it was less advanced, but they controlled half a continent, and the Israelis would run out of resources soon enough, to say nothing of food.
*Israel's navy, civilian and military alike, was repurposed for fishing, and for decades, that section of the Mediterranean would suffer the consequences of that overfishing.
*The Palestinians responded poorly to Israeli attempts to restore order to the rioting territories, and the fighting between the two escalated, to the point where the Israeli government was more focused on their own territory than the Germans.
*This wounded up being irrelevant. Tel Aviv's fears of a German attack on Israel proper would prove unfounded. Berlin was terribly confused over the ordeal, seeing wilderness in the place of their eastern front.
*In the portion of the front contiguous with the rest of the Reich proper, organized 'legitimate' Soviet resistance was defeated fairly quickly, without supplies to support them. The Murmansk occupation zone, however, cut off from Germany proper, and with the rest of the Reich disorganized, found its hold on its territories slipping, and resistance from the Russians there proved unbearable. The heroic retreats from German-Finnish soldiers would prove a popular subject in German films in the future.
*By week two, Germany had largely secured control of its contiguous eastern territories, the military machine working well enough in that regard, but found their own population panicked and confused at the whole ordeal. This would only get worse for them.
*By week three, Israel had quelled the riots in Palestine, and its attention turned to Germany. Netanyahu made a tough choice, and one that's controversial in hindsight, although perhaps not as much as later Israeli decisions. He ordered forty nuclear missiles launched at German cities and military bases alike, and continued conventional strikes on lesser military targets. Mossad made short work of individuals of import who weren't killed in the nuclear strikes.
*For around twenty years or so, there was a genuine fear in Israeli circles that Hitler was still alive. The assumption was that he was killed in the vaporization of Berlin, but, of course, there was no proof of that. A deep fear in Israeli culture was that Hitler would return and reunite the Germans against the Jewish people.
*In the months after the initial nuclear strikes, Israel would continue by striking down organized Nazi military movements, what was left of them anyway.

The Modern Day (2117 or 2042 depending on your political leanings)
*Israel's not the unquestioned hyperpower it was in the initial chaos post-ISOT. Its technology has proliferated, and France, Ukraine, and Poland all have nuclear weapons of their own. The Internet has been restored, although it has not yet fully spread to some portions of former Germany. Tech is roughly 2020s in the more developed parts of the world.
*Israel's also a fair bit different from what it was one hundred years ago. It offered unlimited sanctuary to all Holocaust victims, Jewish or not, helicopter fleets flying to and fro Dachau and Auschwitz and the like, ferrying them to Crete (the only European territory ever officially occupied by Israel) or Israel proper.
*The surplus of undereducated (by modern standards) citizens would create a new class of sorts, farmers, fishers, and other laborers, who were the brunt of the colonists who would settle the virgin earths. Like on most ISOT worlds, farming was the reason colonization of the wilderness was begun.
*Palestine has regained its independence after the tenuous period post-ISOT, but it's essentially two states nowadays, Gaza and East Palestine (the name is a relic). Tensions between Arabs and Jews have largely faded, as most of the radicals and the like have fled to New Palestine (more on that later). Both states are submissive to Tel Aviv, and they share an open border arrangement, as well as a common military.
*Crete has a similar relationship with Israel. While it initially rejoined Greece proper after the local resistance, in tandem with Israeli intelligence, arms and air support, forced out the occupiers, Crete severed itself from the poorer mainland after the Greek government became more and more authoritarian and demanding. While that regime soon disappeared after Israeli-Ukrainian support dried up, Crete is perfectly comfortable with its independence. Like Gaza and East Palestine, it has a common border and military with Israel proper.
*Israel still has control over the Gibraltar and Bosphorus Straits, a bit of foresight on Tel Aviv's part. Colonization of the world past Europe, the Middle East and Maghreb has not yet begun in earnest, but when it does, Tel Aviv hopes to make a killing on shipping fees.
*The second most powerful state on Earth is France. Paris declared independence from Germany after the initial Israeli strikes, and was lucky enough to evade most of the nastiness and warlordism that ensued in the following years.
*France hasn't had much interest in colonizing, but even their lackadaisical attitude towards settlement has resulted in them having one of the most rapid territorial growths in Europe.
*France was never especially interested in Israel's anti-German alliance, and created its own bloc out of Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg (a historical relic France contemplates annexing occasionally), and Rhine.
*The French state, like most independent European states, is a lot more German than you'd think, the refugee population meaning that twelve percent of Frenchmen speak German as a first language.
*A small Catholic state has been built in the Rome area, and provides a neutral space for the powers of the world to gather and meet.
*In the majority German areas of the world, Austria is the predominant power. Vienna did not escape the nuclear wrath, but the Linz area proved to be a source of stability in the region, and that was more than enough to rebuild from. Austria survived the initial period by portraying itself as a moderate, repentant German state, and Israel gave it reluctant support.
*This didn't quite last to the modern day. While Austria nowadays is a flawed democracy (think Russia), all major politicians agree that Israel's initial response to Germany was overkill and bigoted, that the Holocaust didn't occur quite as Israeli records state, that the German people were not to blame for Hitler's actions, and that the Germans and Palestinians are equally victims of the Israeli desire to rule the world. Dogwhistle and blatant anti-Semitism is common, especially in the more developed parts of the world. Those that are less developed have largely forgotten about Israel, and are just trying to get to a modern-day standard of living.
*Bavaria and Hanover are poor agrarian states struggling to catch up with the world. Despite Austria's wishes, neither really wish to join them, being focused on repairing their own infrastructure, and dealing with the brain drain issue. Nazist parties are popular here, but not dominant. Politics is rather violent in both countries, with the moderate-capitalist party in a tripolar conflict with fascist and socialist oppositions.
*New Palestine is a project by the more independent-minded Palestinians to create their own state, and while Tel Aviv was initially concerned that it would prove a hotbed of jihadism, it's more become a hotbed of angry farmers who spend more time fighting each other in land disputes. Austria supports them, mostly to spite Israel. They're really not as bad as you'd think, besides, you know, the anti-Semitism.
*Prussia is the second-most powerful Nazi successor state, and the richer one to boot. Much more moderate and reasonable, Prussia keeps its head down, and most of the world forgets it exists. Unfortunately, it's growing friendlier and friendlier with Linz, which concerns Kiev, Warsaw and Tel Aviv.
*Norway is happily independent, having escaped most of the consequences of the post-nuke chaos, but has struggled to absorb its German population, and the right-wing authoritarian party is presently dominant. Past administrations 'politely' 'asked' most Jews to leave for Israel anyway, so at least there aren't many worries in that regard. Currently competing for territory with Prussia in former Sweden.
*Czechia is steadily growing, but there are concerns that Poland might eventually cut them off. Prague is looking into purchasing territory from Warsaw, but many worry it might be too much cost for too little gain.
*Silesia is a historical relic, a warlord state that civilized and then never went away.
*Poland is a powerful state, and has its own power bloc in Central-Eastern Europe. Czechia, Silesia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia all answer to her bidding, and she's claimed most of the Balkans, having a reluctant agreement with Austria, Ukraine, Greece, and Newhopeland (a translation of a German name. We'll get to them later.).
*Poland is more concerned with the resurgent Soviet Union, which, after decades of petty warlordism and poor infrastructure, is finally becoming a power in its own right, and starting to make aggressive moves in former Finland, where both Estonia and Poland have territory.
*The Soviet Union is the final result of violent reprisals against Germans and rival warlords in former Russian territory, a despotic communist state that none of the Eastern Association (Israel-Ukraine-Poland) are willing to associate with. They're growing at a pace which worries most other governments.
*Greece has largely recovered from its original strongman-authoritarian days, and has contented themselves with being a poor agrarian state under Ukrainian influence.
*Newhopeland was a project by German refugees in what we would call Albania who were unsatisfied with their choices, and has become a fairly successful feudal state. The militias who kept order in the initial days have given way to a bizarre system of modern-day lords and serfs, one that the rest of the world watches with bemusement. This national experiment will likely be subsumed by Austria someday in the next few decades.
*Finally, Ukraine. The third most powerful state in the world after Israel and France. The initial collaborationist regime was killed off in a brief but bloody civil war, and the country has since recovered with Israeli monetary support. Tel Aviv's most loyal ally that isn't a client.

Questions, comments, criticism welcome. I feel that this write-up was a bit clunky, so if I missed anything, please tell me.
 
Interesting scenario, just a couple of comments;

-Israel launching 40 nuclear weapons seems like overkill and out of character, it makes more sense to drop one on a major German city like Dresden and then tell the German government to "return to your pre-war borders and let all your Jews immigrate to Israel, or the next one hits Berlin".
-Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, not Tel Aviv. I understand that some people don't recognize Israel's control over Jerusalem, but that's where the government is located so it doesn't make sense to say "Tel Aviv had a good panic" if the country's leaders aren't in Tel Aviv. It makes even less sense to say "submissive to Tel Aviv" 100 years in the future when it doesn't seem there's anyone even disputing Israeli ownership of Jerusalem.
-I'm surprised there isn't a Finnish state, since you seem to have included Finnish forces in Russia along with the ISOT.
-Is that an independent Netherlands? I have trouble seeing the color.
-German was occupying the Channel Islands in 1942, one would expect them to serve as the nucleus of at least a tiny "British" nation.
 
The Shang Dynasty is seen as the beginning of China's Dynastic Period, they were the successor state to the Xia Dynasty which established itself as the first kingdom in china. The Shang Ruled from approximately 1760 - 1122 B.C.E. though the exact time frame is still debated heavily. The earliest known Chinese writing was found on "Oracle Bones" throughout the Shang Dynasty's former territory. Bronze works from the Shang are still being excavated to this day and are considered sophisticated for their time.
The exact extent of the Shang Dynasty's territory is debated heavily. New excavations are challenging the current theories of their maximal extent; what is known for sure is that their Kingdom encompassed a large portion of the Chinese plains and heavily concentrated around the Huang He River (Yellow River).
The largest and most likely final "permanent" capital was Located in Yin, in the vicinity of the modern city of Anyang; the city was founded by Pan Geng in roughly 1400 B.C.E.
The principle supporting crops for this vast kingdom were millet and rice which had spread into the region around 3,000 B.C.E.
The Shang Dynasty fell at their defeat to their former vassal the Zhou in 1122 B.C.E at the battle of Chaoge; sparking the beginning of the Zhou dynasty.

Notes:
This project took a LOT longer than I had originally thought, I had to do a ton of research into the names of the excavations as well as the issue of the border dispute. There are nearly 10 different leading theories as to their maximal extent, hence I put some of the southern and western borders in dashed lines representing the unknown status of the region.
I really enjoyed making this historically accurate map because of the immense difference in time that's occurred since then. 1700 B.C.E. was 3,700 years ago and how far we've progressed since these Bronze Age kingdoms.
This map was inspired by 's fantastic map Link Here

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The Commonwealth of Australia & Oceania is an earth-orientated nation with only one state being off-world on its moon lunar. The country itself is relatively wealthy with a standard of living high compared to the rest of its region which had suffered severely during Great Red War only now recovering and beginning to flourish once more. Though economically sound, Australia it is very un-influential in global and galactic affairs outside of The Mutual-Defence & Security Pact and its neighbouring region. The country has access to the Naru space elevator allowing its economy to stay afloat. Australia’s natural resources which were a backbone for past economic development of Australia in the current century has been rendered all but useless forcing the country to find new avenues to develop the economy further. The country’s modern economy is based on scientific and military research being a testing ground for new technologies and weaponry that is known the galaxy over as the highest and best quality anywhere around. The country also is always creating and being commissioned to create new designs for more efficient galactic spaceships for commercial and military use across the galaxy along with constructing galactic spaceships within the space allocated to them above the space elevator. Australia also conducts in military conflicts across the world and galaxy with government owned security companies being commissioned by other nations and private corporations to protect and serve.

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In the 2090's New Zealand was annexed into Commonwealth after a slow transitional period of semi-autonomy which had begun in the two decades prior. In November 2092 The last Prime Minister of New Zealand ended his term and handed over power to a temporary Parliamentary Council overseen by the United Nations who would govern the country during the transition into Australian statehood status. Reasons for New Zealand’s interest in becoming an Australian state can be narrowed down to two major points the first that in a world of cosmic colonial powers, small nations like New Zealand can just not compete with their much larger counterparts. The second that at the time New Zealand was suffering from a massive recession in response to the climate crisis which was only starting to clear up.

When the Pacific theatre of the Great Red War on Earth came to a close and the European theatre only three months away from victory the New Alliance in the form of The Japan-Korea Rep., India, Democratic China and Australia were in the process of dividing up the liberated and conquered territory amongst themselves with all nations having a different goal in mind. The Japan-Korea Rep. received Manchuria, Mongolia (Inner Mongolia being incorporated), Vietnam and several Pacific islands into their spear of influence with Sakhalin Island later being directly annexed. India had become a major regional power and received Indonesia, Malaysia and Laos into the spear of influence helping the countries redevelop their shattered nations into functional modern states being a major contributor to the formation of the Central Indo-Pacific Republic. Australia was the only nation to directly annexe territory from the aftermath of the Pacific theatre integrating Papua New Guinea into the Commonwealth as well as Nauru for access to the space elevator there. Australia funded the rebuilding of Papua New Guinea which would likely not of occurred if not directly annexed into the Commonwealth. Australia also received many Pacific islands.

For a brief period encompassing only three decades, the (2130’s-2150's) Australia had a small but influential number of colonies in the inner and outer realms of human space giving Australia the status of a colonial power. These decades were a time of new found prosperity and influence on galactic affairs which Australia had never seen before and never will again. During this period Australia had heavily militarised to maintain control in the colonies. In the three decades due to economic decline and a brief, unsuccessful war against Japan, the outer colonies felt unprotected and vulnerable to both economic and political degradation or collapse from outside forces or even their own colonial government. There was much resentment against the government in the outer colonies due to the heavy toll that the war had inflicted on them and lack of power in the parliament making it virtually impossible to have a significant influence on governmental policies. This sentiment eventually lead to a revolution in these colonies which could escalate further into a full on civil war spilling over into other colonies controlled by different governments contributing to what became known as the First Colonial Civil-War or Revolution. Australia had heavily militarised and put up a good fight against the rebels but eventually lost out not having the willpower or manpower to maintain control within the colonies unlike the other much larger colonial powers of the time. The Golden Coast was the only colony to remain loyal to the Commonwealth but had a rebellion later on in the Second Colonial Civil-War or Revolution which the Commonwealth managed to extinguish in exchange for giving more autonomy to the lunar state.



The MDSP is the spiritual successor to the Commonwealth of Nations including mainly off-world British colonies, several former colonies on earth and a few new nations who have joined this mutually beneficial protection pact. The idea for this pact came about with the goal of preventing another galactic wide war from catching nations off-guard inflicting significant casualties with other nations coming to the aid of threatened nations quickly to deflate any attempts of attack or invasion. The pact was signed in Singapore who had been (and still is) overseen by a joint British-Australian military force since the end of the Great Red War. Singapore enjoys status as a semi-autonomous entity being able to elect their representatives to govern the country under the guidelines of the military force.




The MDSP is the spiritual successor to the Commonwealth of Nations including mainly off-world British colonies, several former colonies on earth and a few new nations who have joined this mutually beneficial protection pact. The idea for this pact came about with the goal of preventing another galactic wide war from catching nations off-guard inflicting major casualties with other nations coming to the aid of threatened nations quickly to deflate any attempts of attack or invasion. The pact was signed in Singapore who had been (and still is) overseen by a joint British-Australian military force since the end of the Great Red War. Singapore enjoys status as a semi-autonomous entity being able to elect their representatives to govern the country under the guidelines of the military force.

1.This inland state is the location of a major testing of the domed cities initiative aimed at creating self-sustainable cities for hostile planets now with testing long over and the initiative being successful the many cities that are left are thriving with an economy based on scientific and military research.

2. Another inland state was created as the region was quickly expanding due to many new terraforming techniques being developed for use on other planets. These technologies allowed for almost inhospitable regions of Earth to become self-sustaining and viable with less effort than ever thought possible before.

3.During that Pacific theatre of the Great Red War the region of North Queensland became a major military hub eventually being the staging platform for the invasion of Papua New Guinea and Indonesia. it gained status as a state of Australian halfway through war its economy being based on the military when the war ended the northern state ran into economic trouble one which it is still recovering from today.
 
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