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World War One draws to a close and borders must be redrawn. One nation that sinks its teeth into the Versailles treaty is a surprising one: Luxembourg. Demanding the Islands of New Bismarck and New Hannover from Germany; as well as the mandatory creation of an international water way through the Rhine and Mosel Rivers. The world was in shock and awe when one of the last duchies on earth gained lands in the Pacific which nearly quadrupled the size of the country. Duchess Marie-Adélaïde paid a sum of 1.5 million francs to the newly established governor of Luxembourgish New Guinea (Auguste Lavagne) in order to establish infrastructure and attract immigrants to the newly acquired territory. New Bismarck was renamed Marie-Adélaïde Land, and New Hannover to the Island of Liberty. Many German, and Hungarian refugees were permitted to settle the islands; however their children would be forced into boarding schools where they were only permitted to speak French.

All naval transport to Luxembourgish New Guinea from 1919-1930 would be paid for by the German government as compensation for occupation during WWI.​
 
God damn you Zalezsky and your life mission to make me feel like an inadequate cartographer.
LOL! I'll take that as a compliment; I'm more than happy to teach others how I make my maps and I don't mind when people use my colour schemes or anything like that so if you ever have any questions feel free to message me :)
 
To be quite honest with you.....although I agree that it would be nice to see more well off African countries, it's honestly objectively seriously doubtful there's any significant amount of actual anti-African bias at work here, even of the subconscious kind-I mean, I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but this isn't that far removed from worrying about pro-Confederate bias simply because CSA wanks are a thing. More than anything, the major issue is, that most people on this site, just don't know nearly as much about African history, of any kind, as they do of their own home regions-same with Latin America as well.

Good points. I'm not saying, either, there isn't the occasional problem with prejudice-there may well be. And again, I'd love to see more TLs of African countries doing quite better than IOTL, like @Jonathan Edelstein 's Male Rising, for example. Just thought I'd get my 2 cents in, that's all.

The lack of knowledge, writing, and research into Africa is still it's own kind of insidious bias. One that comes from school, nation, and culture, and not cultivated by the individual, but one nevertheless. The entire portion of this conversation saying that Africans wouldn't have information about the ISOT and would lack the resources to revolt against their knee-broken colonial masters to their being no way for the Americans or Africa to come out with a very different kind of European Imperialism are examples of biases coming from naivety and innocence. I'll admit to being one to have fallen into these traps, but they are examples of culturally taught inclination towards European domination and against African and American self-sovereignty.
 
*The Hypetrain has reached his next destination*

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On February 29th; All of Belgium expect for the Province of Namur, The Luxemburgian Province of Luxemburg, the Dutch Provinces of North-Brabant, Gelderland and South-Holland as well as Zeelandic Flanders, the German state Nordrhein-Westfalen and the Regierungsbezirke of Freiburg & Upper Bavaria, the Austrian states of Salzburg, Upper Austria and Carinthia, the Italian Regions of Veneto, Fruili-Venezia Guilia, most of Tuscany and the Provinces of Rome, Napels and Salerno, the French regions of Nord-Pas-de-Calais and Ile-de-France and the departements of Moselle, Haut-Rhin, Landes, Pyrenées-Atlantiques, Haute-Pyrenées, Pyrenées-Orientales, Aude, Hérault, Gard and Bouches-de-Rhône, the Spanish Provinces of Girona, Barcelona and Tarragona, British Greater London, Kent, Somerset (+Bath), Oxfordshire, Cardiff, Carmarthenshire, Pembrokeshire, Ceredigion, Powys and Gwynedd, Slovenian Ljublijana, Upper Carniola, Coastal Kast and Croatian Istria,Prmorje-Gorski Kotar, Dalmatia (including the region of Mostar of Bosnia and the Montenegrin Bay of Kotor) were transported to a Virgin Earth.


5 years later
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A continuation of the EU was quickly established between Nord-Pas-de-Calais, Belgium, Southern Netherlands, 'Luxemburg', Moselle/Haut-Rhin, Basel-Stadt, Freiburg and Nordrhein-Westfalen; quickly joined by the UK who send military scoutgroups through the surviving Eurotunnel and immediately opened up relations, did a rudimentary 2nd brexit-vote and after a 'stay'-victory this time became a member again. Representatives of the Nations met once every 6 months in Brussels to discuss reclamation of 'new land', which prompted the decision to expand Eastwards and to gift some of the Western areas of 'Germany' to nations that would be limited in their expansion by 'Germany' seeing that the Germans would be compensated with lands in the East. The Netherlands were allowed to claim Lower Saxony and Luxemburg was allowed to claim the Trier Region. Belgium being so certain of annexing Nord-Pas-de-Calais in the future decided not to ask for land from Germany,and gifted Arlon to Luxemburg while at the same time deciding to split Limburg with the Netherlands.

Nord-Pas-de-Calais briefly began negotiations to unite with Belgium but that stopped when 9 months after the Event it was discovered that Ile-de-France was transported as well. Who immediately joined the EU and Claimed the old territory of France. It sparked conflict however with 'Germany' because Haut-Rhin and Freiburg had united 2 months before and both Countries claimed the united lands. In the interest of keeping the peace Belgium headed negotiations between the 2 where it was decided a "Belgium-style", bilingual country would be established called Swabia. 1,5 years after the event Basel-Stadt expressed their desire not to reinstate the Swiss nation but rather to join the newly created Swabia. Around the same time the UK discovered that Oxfordshire had been transported to this new world as well.

Not long after that the paddlesteamer Hohentwiel, who got transported while being docked at Konstanz during the event, met with Austrian troops near Ingolstadt while being on patrol along the Danube (before you ask it was docked in a drydock and transforted as far as was possible by train). Doing so the EU learned that Upper Bavaria and 3 neighbouring Austrian States were transported as well and in thinking they were alone united together. The Austrians told them about the Italian Regions to their South and their decision to unite with Istria and neighbouring Slovenian regions, however less voluntary in some areas. Within months communications was established with the 2 nations and they soon joined the EU, beginning discussions with Germany about Bavaria which was quickly resolved by deciding to split the region between the 2.

Roughly 2 years after the event British expeditions reached the West Country and brought Somerset and Bath into the hold. They ran into conflict however when they reached Wales, at first contact was friendly but turned sour when the Welsh not living in Cardiff seemed not to be interested in reunification with the rest of Britain or being part of the EU. Cardiff however seemed to be okay with the idea of reunification and thus became the starting point of an (albeit small) armed conflict which the Welsh won.

The 3rd year after the event saw Zeelandic Flanders being given to Belgium as a gift because of their position of not being able to expand anymore. In the same year the surviving Danish europarlementarians who had been looking for Danish Nationals (mostly tourists, bussinessmen and a small number of exchange-students mostly from Oxford) being in the areas transported, filed their motion to the EU to recreate their country; which they were allowed seeing they had the required 500 nationals. They went by train to Minden where they transferred onto sailboats to continue their journey down the Weser, along the coast, up the Elbe to where Hamburg would be and there they reconstructed Hamborg. When the town was fully functioning small groups sat out to reconstruct Kiel, Flensborg and Lybaek. The story of their succes prompted unauthorized groups of Scots and Irish to go and reclaim Edinburgh and Dublin.

In the 4th year after the event the UK, Belgium, France and the Netherlands established a small Navy comprising of newly constructed wooden steamers and set off for an expedition of the Western coasts of Europe. This initiative was started when a Venetian flotilla of sailboats returned from a expedition throughout the Mediterranean which it had embarked on during the first months after the event. It reported back that most of the Dalmatian coast had transported as well and banded together in peace, Napels and Salerno was transported as well essentially being ruled by the Neapolitan Maffia who are claiming all of Southern Italy and Malta and had been succesful in reconstructing Reggio di Calabria and Messina, the most part of Tuscany had already bonded together with the Province of Rome and was headed by the surviving Italian Government... Apparently the Vatican has left on Sailboats to go and reconquer the Holy Land after several bishops had visions from "Angels", believing in their isolation the Departements in Occitania had united with the Catalonia provinces and Catalan is now the language of Government (Occitan dialects are accepted but French is not allowed in public life) and the small Spanish communities were allowed to go and restart their country, which they did in where Cartagena would be. At the end of year 5 only the Italian state had reopened communications with the EU and the Rovigo Province opted to return to Italy.

Meanwhile Ljublijana has managed to survive just barely and has made no efforts of expanding (excluding the farmland outside the city) and the Departements Landes and Pyrenées-Atlantique have fallen into civil war between Basque-speakers, French-speakers and independent villages. Both of them think they are the only ones left in the world.


Resettlement has so far only not been executed by Swabia and Catalonia/Occitania. The Welsh have reconstructed Newport and are building to connect Cardiff with the rest of Wales while also resettling Conwy and Anglesey. They have also landed on Lands End where they have a small base/weather Station which acts as a justification for claiming Cornwall. the UK has resettled the area between Oxfordshire and London as well as Thurrock while from Somerset they have resettled the Bristol area. France has been working towards the Loire and has reconstructed Chartres and Orléans while also resettling the farmlands of the Valois valley, while from Nord-Pas-de-Calais their are resettling around the Somme and have reconstructed Abbeville. The Netherlands have resettled Zeeland, Haarlem and Amsterdam and is currently reconstructing Amersfoort, Belgium has mainly been busy resettling Namur but has however already reconstructed Maastricht, Germany has focussed its attention on seizing control of the Rhine, and Luxemburg is mainly resettling towards the Moselle although it has pushed a bit into the Ardennes to provide the 'European flotilla'-project with wood. Austria has been expanding all over the place with no real concrete plan, but do have reconstructed Augsburg and Passau. Italy has resettled the area between Tuscany and Rome, the rest of Tuscany and from Rovigo they have resettled the other side of the Po River. Venice has begun a steady push inland and Dalmatia has resettled the Coastal areas.
 
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This response confused me a bit given it was written immediately after you liked my post above. You did notice the part where I mentioned that ignorance of African history was an injustice right? Perhaps I should have bolded that part. There are numerous texts on African history if you look going quite far back; if you recall, the Arabs did quite a bit of writing and beyond that, the Egyptians are recognized internationally as one of the most significant early writing civilizations. You most certainly can find African texts if you just look, particularly in the last two or three centuries. It is absolutely a tragedy that African history is not more widely taught in American and European schools given the great significance African culture, people, civilization, and the continent itself hold for the histories of these countries, particularly countries in Europe. European colonization was not a predetermined outcome and you don't have to go that far back to have a more limited colonization and you can certainly have a strong African empire; there have been plenty of those throughout history. The fact that we don't give these polities, people, or lands the attention they deserve is in no small part due to racism and again, it is both an injustice and a tragedy.

I can appreciate someone's comments and intelligent argument without completely agreeing with them. I make a point of respecting people who disagree with me and have the decency to back up their disagreement- like so. As it is, my main point was that the main issue here is a lack of knowledge regarding African history, which in all fairness cannot simply be blamed on the ones with a lack of knowledge, and a lack of TL's that take place during a time period in which there are enough powerful African states to dissuade European conquest there. I agree that the decision to not seek out knowledge regarding African history is in many cases, a bias. My case, for example. I have little interest for anything outside of European history simply because I have the rather self-righteous opinion that Europeans wrote modern history (while in some ways true this does not justify my ignorance). I concede the point that there is information available, I suppose I should have emphasized that said information is oppressed in that it is not taught in Western education. Regardless, off to my Ethiopia TL!
 
I unfortunately don't have a ton to say on all this besides "this is interesting and I'm curious to where it goes", but I did find a few things interesting, mostly:
a) People in small European countries haven't visited all the provinces (strange to me as an American in a state 5x larger)
b) Just taking Greater London's population only knocks England's population back to around 1811
c) However, taking just Île-de-France's population knocks it all the way back to before the 13th century

Really shows how recent England's explosion in population was. Also I really enjoyed the idea of wooden steamers being used again. :D
 
I can appreciate someone's comments and intelligent argument without completely agreeing with them. I make a point of respecting people who disagree with me and have the decency to back up their disagreement- like so. As it is, my main point was that the main issue here is a lack of knowledge regarding African history, which in all fairness cannot simply be blamed on the ones with a lack of knowledge, and a lack of TL's that take place during a time period in which there are enough powerful African states to dissuade European conquest there. I agree that the decision to not seek out knowledge regarding African history is in many cases, a bias. My case, for example. I have little interest for anything outside of European history simply because I have the rather self-righteous opinion that Europeans wrote modern history (while in some ways true this does not justify my ignorance). I concede the point that there is information available, I suppose I should have emphasized that said information is oppressed in that it is not taught in Western education. Regardless, off to my Ethiopia TL!
Not to bother you or anyone else again, but would like to point to my previous post for a good source if anyone wants a nice starting point for learning African history:
To start some people off, here is a massive nine volume history of Africa available for free from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization: http://www.unesco.org/new/en/social-and-human-sciences/themes/general-history-of-africa/volumes/

The easiest way to wipe away any biases, after all, is education.
 
I unfortunately don't have a ton to say on all this besides "this is interesting and I'm curious to where it goes", but I did find a few things interesting, mostly:
a) People in small European countries haven't visited all the provinces (strange to me as an American in a state 5x larger)
b) Just taking Greater London's population only knocks England's population back to around 1811
c) However, taking just Île-de-France's population knocks it all the way back to before the 13th century

Really shows how recent England's explosion in population was. Also I really enjoyed the idea of wooden steamers being used again. :D

I don't know what to say man, as of yet I've had no reason ever to go to Namur :p
 
Not to bother you or anyone else again, but would like to point to my previous post for a good source if anyone wants a nice starting point for learning African history:
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The easiest way to wipe away any biases, after all, is education.

Toix, did I ever say you are awesome? Because you are. :cool:
 
To start some people off, here is a massive nine volume history of Africa available for free from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization: http://www.unesco.org/new/en/social-and-human-sciences/themes/general-history-of-africa/volumes/

Sorry I forgot to mention this earlier, but I thought I'd say, thanks for finding this. This is possibly about the best single resource one could find on general African history anywhere, and would no doubt be enormously helpful to anyone wanting to write an Africa-centered TL. I think I may be reposting this elsewhere soon. :cool:
 
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What year is the POD?
What year is the map?
Amerindian/Native tribal regions or European Colonies? Or both?

I don't think I have seen that base-map before, did you draw it yourself?

Roughly 1000 CE.
Roughly 1450 CE.
Both, though most are still absent. (And there's only one real source of the latter.)

I traced it myself.
 
The lack of knowledge, writing, and research into Africa is still it's own kind of insidious bias. One that comes from school, nation, and culture, and not cultivated by the individual, but one nevertheless. The entire portion of this conversation saying that Africans wouldn't have information about the ISOT and would lack the resources to revolt against their knee-broken colonial masters to their being no way for the Americans or Africa to come out with a very different kind of European Imperialism are examples of biases coming from naivety and innocence. I'll admit to being one to have fallen into these traps, but they are examples of culturally taught inclination towards European domination and against African and American self-sovereignty.
Thank you; this is very well put and exactly what I was trying to get at. Because most of us are northern hemisphere folks (or at least of similar cultural background) we're naturally less inclined towards other regions' history and potential. Bias here is almost certainly not intentional, it's just something we should be aware of. It'll make better timelines and maps, after all, and isn't that what we're all after here? :)
 
Yes. I'm not certain what exactly would make it work, but that's the general event.
Maybe if it wasn't so cold :p
Not a serious suggestion, different long term weather patterns would be ASB territory.

Edit: Cant get the embed to start part way through like i wanted. Skip to 1 minute 15 seconds in or so for the scene I'm talking about
 
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