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there's a website at the bottom of the image: http://desalas.org/
unfortuantly it looks very old and I can't see that specific map in the Balkan section.
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there's a website at the bottom of the image: http://desalas.org/
unfortuantly it looks very old and I can't see that specific map in the Balkan section.
The Alliance of Independent Communist States is an economic and military alliance between 20 nations. Founded by Spain, China, Turkey and Yugoslavia in 1979, the alliance grew after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 when the People's Republic of Belarus, the DPRK, and Bulgaria joined. Following Communist revolutions in African nations, Algeria and Libya joined in 1999. The Communist Iranian Revolution in 1984 resulted in Iran joining the Alliance 10 years later. The Secretary-General is Xi Jinping. The headquarters, located in Madrid, are famous for the Madrid hostage situation in 1997.
I'm actually curious how South Sudanese independence worked iTTL, with two communist nations bordering the southern part of Sudan, *and* three more bordering the remainder of Sudan.
The other odd situation in this world is that either a majority (or at least a health plurality) of Muslims are communist, which is something that I don't think we've ever had this iOTL, what does Muslim Communism look like?
South Sudan achieved independence just like in OTL, although a Civil War started a month after independence and the Communists (funded by the Congo and Ethiopia) are currently winning.
Muslim Communism looks something like North Korea (as in it's more of a dictatorship flying the flag of Communism)
The Inland Seas of Africa was the first map on here that grabbed my attention (https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/sea-of-africa.30705/ & https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/a-sea-in-africa.191713/) over a decade ago and more recently 7 years ago. Recently, a break from Napoleon, I've changed the map to include two rivers, one flowing Northwest through Algeria and through the depressions to Tunisia and the other flowing Northeast through the Libyan Desert and to the Gulf of Sidra. The following is the timeline from the more recent thread with some changes.
how the sea formed said:
120,000 BP
A Small Asteroid hits in the area of the Congo river mouth. while it doesn't do much damage, the rebervations cause a hot spot to form in the vecinity.
105.000 BP
The hot spot burns through in the vicinity of OTL Brazzaville.
100.000 BP
The Lava has formed a dam across the Congo river a dozen feet high, forming a small lake.
75.000 BP
The interaction of the water and the Lava has formed a Dam Several hundred feet high reaching across the whole Congo Valley.
60.000 BP
The weight of the Volcano, and the Inland sea, has been stressing the Cameroon Rift valley, Over the next couple thousand years this stress will be relived in a series of Massive Earthquake. When they are over Landslides thruout the Guinea Highlands Have blocked off the Niger River Valley.
55.000 years BP
The Niger Sea overflows the last mountain pass and starts flowing down into Lake Chad
50.000 BP
the Congo Sea overflows the last mountain pass and starts flowing down into the Niger Sea.
48,000 BP
The Twin Seas break thru the northern Mountains and begins flowing to the NNW thru Niger.
47.000 BP
Having filled many of the Depressions along the way the River turns in west Central Lybia and heads NNE toward the Gulf of Sidra. The far river has snaked it's way through the southern Sahara to the Depressions of otl Algeria creating many lakes on the journey to Chott el Djerid and to the Gulf of Gabes.
40.000 BP
Most of the Depressions between the Atlas mountians and the Nile Plateua, have been filled by Rain, allowing a Sahel to form. this is covered by nomadic Herdsmen who travel from Lake/Oasis to Lake/Oasis following their herds. there are settled fisherman along the Great Rivers, in small villages, trading their fish, for Meat, and Leather from the Herders.
12.000 BP
ICE AGE ends, Weather patterns are shifting, the western end of the Great Sahel is drying a Little, Foraging parties are having troubles, some of the Fishermen along the Great Rivers, begin gathering Seeds and Boardcast sowing them so to ensure they will be there next season.
10.000 BP
nomads have come down from the Nile Platuea, and settled among the tribesmen along the fertile Nile Valley. They bring with them the idea of Sowing Seeds. a Population boom begins and technology begins to spread from the Nile Platuea down to the Inland Seas and up into the Atlas Mountain Lakes on the Far Great River.
how the sea formed said:
120,000 BP
A Small Asteroid hits in the area of the Congo river mouth. while it doesn't do much damage, the rebervations cause a hot spot to form in the vecinity.
105.000 BP
The hot spot burns through in the vicinity of OTL Brazzaville.
100.000 BP
The Lava has formed a dam across the Congo river a dozen feet high, forming a small lake.
75.000 BP
The interaction of the water and the Lava has formed a Dam Several hundred feet high reaching across the whole Congo Valley.
60.000 BP
The weight of the Volcano, and the Inland sea, has been stressing the Cameroon Rift valley, Over the next couple thousand years this stress will be relived in a series of Massive Earthquake. When they are over Landslides thruout the Guinea Highlands Have blocked off the Niger River Valley.
55.000 years BP
The Niger Sea overflows the last mountain pass and starts flowing down into Lake Chad
50.000 BP
the Congo Sea overflows the last mountain pass and starts flowing down into the Niger Sea.
48,000 BP
The Twin Seas break thru the northern Mountains and begins flowing to the NNW thru Niger.
47.000 BP
Having filled many of the Depressions along the way the River turns in west Central Lybia and heads NNE toward the Gulf of Sidra. The far river has snaked it's way through the southern Sahara to the Depressions of otl Algeria creating many lakes on the journey to Chott el Djerid and to the Gulf of Gabes.
40.000 BP
Most of the Depressions between the Atlas mountians and the Nile Plateua, have been filled by Rain, allowing a Sahel to form. this is covered by nomadic Herdsmen who travel from Lake/Oasis to Lake/Oasis following their herds. there are settled fisherman along the Great Rivers, in small villages, trading their fish, for Meat, and Leather from the Herders.
12.000 BP
ICE AGE ends, Weather patterns are shifting, the western end of the Great Sahel is drying a Little, Foraging parties are having troubles, some of the Fishermen along the Great Rivers, begin gathering Seeds and Boardcast sowing them so to ensure they will be there next season.
10.000 BP
nomads have come down from the Nile Platuea, and settled among the tribesmen along the fertile Nile Valley. They bring with them the idea of Sowing Seeds. a Population boom begins and technology begins to spread from the Nile Platuea down to the Inland Seas and up into the Atlas Mountain Lakes on the Far Great River.
I've just been calling them the Inland Seas. I haven't decided on what to call them. I got those names from the original thread and figured I could use them so people have some reference of where they are in Africa!
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy it. A meteorite strike won't form a hotspot, end of. The currently accepted theory for hotspot formation is that they are upwellings of hot material from the deep mantle that reach the surface and essentially burn their way through, producing a string of volcanoes as the plates move over the stationary hotspot. Their formation is independent of surface processes. If meteorites formed hotspots then they would be all over the place, but they are no. Basically no impact is associated with volcanic deposits. And anyway, the climatic effects from diverting a major river and filling new lakes would almost certainly radically screw with human evolution - you may not get humans at all.
On an unrelated note, I would also like to know if anyone has high-res euratlas maps, specifically the 3 below:
On an unrelated note, I would also like to know if anyone has high-res euratlas maps, specifically the 3 below:
That sort of surprises me given that I would expect considerable western funding to Sudan to keep it from falling as a Domino and with South Sudanese (and West Sudanese) independence movements less covered in the west...
Certain characteristics of North Korean Communism would be significantly repugnant for Muslims (Juche as significant religious elements). Also, there would be considerable difference as to which nations have charismatic communist leaders (like current Belarus or Mao or the Kim family) and those that don't. Note having Lyudmila Zhivkova survive and become the new leader would be fun for Bulgaria.
I agree with regard to meteorites not causing hotspots to form, but there's really no justification needed for one forming as a POD: it just happens sometimes, and there's no way to predict it (and no practical reason to predict it) without an intimate knowledge of the Earth's inner workings over a timescale of millennia. Also, humans have been anatomically modern for 2 million years: a POD 120,000 years ago would affect our evolution incredibly negligibly, if at all.
(Also, I have a high-res copy of that India map, but I'm not at my computer at the moment, so I'll try and post it in an hour or two.)
Slight correction, but humans have only been anatomically modern for 200,000 years, not 2 million. The Homo genus of course is much older and existed on that scale. There's also a lot of debate on whether or not the first anatomically modern humans were also behaviorally modern as well.
I like this a lot - it coincides with doublething itself; in the eyes of a member something can be literally false but absolutely true just because the party said so. Is airstrip one trying to convince its citizens it's a member of Oceania while in reality they have no idea that there is an actual oceania out there?to start off my contributions here and hopefully spur me to do more, i'll repost one of my old WIP maps. truthfully, this ones just about done--all that's left is to fill in some relatively small countries in Latin America, but i'm spurred for other projects right now so that might not happen soon
this is a relatively derpy little idea that i simply called Not Quite 1984 or 1984+, an attempted expansion/reinterpretation on the classic Orwell novel, partly an homage to other dystopian fiction as well. the gist of it is that the world as described in the book is a half-truth: Oceania/Airstrip One is actually a North Korea-like black hole state that's deluded itself into thinking it's actually a superpower, but the outside world isn't exactly sunshine and lollipops. most of the rest of the world is controlled by various dictatorships, including an expanded Soviet Union (Eurasia), the People's Republic of China (Eastasia), and the North American Union (Oceania). each one still doesn't exactly conform to the descriptions of those states from the book, though: "Oceania" is the most divided, with the NAU being closest to actual Oceania as a police state (but arguably freer than most of the others, where it's essentially a one-party state but there aren't as many purges as the USSR or as much institutional racism as before or in TTL's contemporary South Africa), Brazil and Argentina basically split South America between themselves (and Argentina is basically a Neo-Nazi state based on all the tropes of Nazis fleeing to South America), South Africa never abolished apartheid ITTL, and Australia is another police state (not as sure what i want to do with this one, though--it could have overtones of Mad Max as a more anarchic state than the rest). the communists won the Korean War ITTL so the whole peninsula is unified under the Kim dynasty, but it may actually be in better sorts ITTL (i have yet to decide on anything concerning them). Japan had a militant ultranationalist revival essentially bringing back the Imperial dictatorship. Taiwan still split from mainland China, but i haven't decided exactly what they're doing here. in Europe, all the former Eastern Bloc + Yugoslavia has formally joined the Soviet Union as their own SSRs while the other European states have been corralled into a new Western Bloc, basically puppet states aligned to Russia. the only non-dictatorship is the Equatorial Federation, colloquially "the Last Democracy", which replaces the disputed zone from the original book. this one was based on a fan theory that, because of all the wars raging on in the rest of teh world, there was a huge evacuation of civilians, including alot of scientists and intellectuals, to the Middle East, South and Southeast Asia, and North and Central Africa along with some other areas which have caused it to be elevated to the world's only true superpower (as you can tell, the whole setting isn't exactly plausible). the Equatorials have some satellite states as well, small bastions of democracy in a totalitarian world. this includes New Zealand (this one was partly as a reference to the Worldwar series where New Zealand was basically ignored by the Race because they see it as just an out-of-the-way island of no importance), Madagascar, Ireland (the South Korea to Britain's DPRK), Papua New Guinea (it's still claimed by Australia ITTL but is functionally independent--the Australians couldn't control the people there if they tried), and nominally Iceland (which is meant to be an objectivist state referring to Rapture from BioShock)
the only other notable thing about this map is that it's partly experimental, using a method of designating groups of islands with circular borders rather than square ones. i hope to use this method in alot of future maps that i make as well, to make them look more interesting
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the last time i brought it up, it was suggested that it constituted triplethink
(iirc i'd mentioned the idea of three parallel Nineteen Eighty-Four TLs where one is as-described, one is my own project here, and the other is OTL except that Britain replaces North Korea and that's it)incidentally, i think i figured out how Japan gets back to being militant Imperialist ITTL: Yukio Mishima
a slight step towards actually working on the TL againI'm very interested in and willing to help out. Perhaps an alternate ending to World War II where the Soviets single-handedly wiped out the Germans, Japan never expanded but stayed tight-knit on its own island, America remained neutral or even enforced war plan red, and Britain went Airstrip?the last time i brought it up, it was suggested that it constituted triplethink
incidentally, i think i figured out how Japan gets back to being militant Imperialist ITTL: Yukio Mishima
How does Communism as a whole look like ITTL? Is it China exporting her corporatism en masse? Is it locked in a cold war or something similar?The Alliance of Independent Communist States is an economic and military alliance between 20 nations. Founded by Spain, China, Turkey and Yugoslavia in 1979, the alliance grew after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 when the People's Republic of Belarus, the DPRK, and Bulgaria joined. Following Communist revolutions in African nations, Algeria and Libya joined in 1999. The Communist Iranian Revolution in 1984 resulted in Iran joining the Alliance 10 years later. The Secretary-General is Xi Jinping. The headquarters, located in Madrid, are famous for the Madrid hostage situation in 1997.
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the general idea i had was to somehow make it work with a 1948 POD (based on when the original book was published) but i have little interest in working on it at the moment--other projects right now instead
--and this isn't the thread to discuss it anyway. maybe if i post another version of the map.The Alliance of Independent Communist States is an economic and military alliance between 20 nations. Founded by Spain, China, Turkey and Yugoslavia in 1979, the alliance grew after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 when the People's Republic of Belarus, the DPRK, and Bulgaria joined. Following Communist revolutions in African nations, Algeria and Libya joined in 1999. The Communist Iranian Revolution in 1984 resulted in Iran joining the Alliance 10 years later. The Secretary-General is Xi Jinping. The headquarters, located in Madrid, are famous for the Madrid hostage situation in 1997.
How did Spain turn Communist in 1979 with such convergent national borders? Did Franco's regime get overthrown or something?
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