It's funny. You don't even need Booth to kill all those people. The south actually nearly re-seceded in the 1880s over things like confederate banners, the rise of the First Klan and the attacks on "carpetbaggers, *African Americans, and scalawags" that made the south become even more insular and racist than before.
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It's funny. You don't even need Booth to kill all those people. The south actually nearly re-seceded in the 1880s over things like confederate banners, the rise of the First Klan and the attacks on "carpetbaggers, *African Americans, and scalawags" that made the south become even more insular and racist than before.
Glad the discussion inspired such a nice looking map @Ephraim Ben Raphael . Though I do wonder how permanently some of those "black majority" states would stay reconstructed, particularly Jubilee and Seward, which would need a lot to get to majority African-American. Even with northern veterans settling there it's tough.
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Okay, I am very eager to see the link on this. I knew there was trouble in the South at that time, but I didn't know that any southern states actually threatened to secede again.
Good point- that balance may shift in some places over long term as the new generation that didn't get its citizenship taken away for fighting for the Confederacy grows up. I'm assuming that there was a lot more emigration by anti-union southerners than OTL, and that African-Americans from places like Seminole, Houston, Kentucky, and Missouri, moved to the African-American majority states in large numbers.
I will say I do like the ominous full stop at the end there.
Portland. Vancouver. Redding, California. The Central/Mountain time zone international dividing line. The general round kidney bean shape of Denver. Southeastern Saskatchewan. Southern Florida. Thunder Bay.
Thunder Bay!!!! Ugh.
Don't get me wrong. The general timeline is "sci-fi RPG wacky but good because it was written in the late late 1980s almost post Cold War era" sort of way. But whoever drew the maps. Ugh.
Seriously I need to finish my alt Shadowrun map I started a few years ago and never finished.
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I would say black borders between Commonwelath countries should be shown. I imagine the part in the map key about being full governing means they are independent, rather than the Commonwealth governing them. I also think all besides Rhodesia are labeled as republics explicitly to say they do not have the British Monarch as Head of State. Likely Rhodesia still would here. Part of the British Cameron’s probably would be put back in Cameroon here, by the look of the border curves.
I feel the Chinese communists might have been crushed. I don’t recall if the book mentions them or not. Siberian Empire sounds presumptuous and going with the Tsardom of Siberia, which was a title of the Russian Emperors, might have the Japanese not look at them quite as askew. I guess it depends on how the title is translated between languages. Might be Khan would be considered better and less Russian if it is locals incharge of Siberia here. Burma and Manchuko... I feel they would be better with their own colors, unless it signifies they are the ones without any real autonomy, while everyone else has a say in their own affairs. Possible, once the war is over and Japanese companies and government arms each choose countries to be patrons of. I am sure there is an interesting story behind Central America here.
That a Japanese or Russian port city around Vladistock or is it a Korean area?
I would suggest trying to find those maps of alluvial lands, bogs, lowlands in general. Knowing and showing them does make certain things with trade and settlement more clear, like how York once basically had a coastline, which was why the Vikings settled their so heavily. Your showing mountain passes is unique I must say. I would suggest showing mountainous areas as well, though given how it would effect color, it would make easy border changes and editing unlikely. Also unsure in Corsica. Was it in a united entity as shown here at this time?
The latest map of my TL which can be found in my signature, a century after the initial PoD in 851 AD. Criticism is welcome as I'd like to improve both my TL and my mapmaking skills!
@Unknown00 , only maybe three to seven percent of the Cascade Mountains are in Canada. Unless the disputed Columbia/Oregon Country region was called Cascadia in the West Canada world, I feel it doesn’t really fit.
What value would Holland have if it didn’t look overseas? The wording feels almost like it didn’t bother with overseas trade much,.
Are all of these at the de jure independent status about four of them had IOTL or is the Reservation system they set up the case here?
huh, I thought the Secretary of War would have gotten the job back then. Looking it up, it seems it was indeed the Senate’s President Pro Tem. Weird. You left the border between Virginia and Maryland on the Delmarva peninsula. Almost a shame the entire Red River wasn’t used as the southern border of Indian Territory. Would have just ended up being taken by Whites the future anyways, given the habit of selling ‘excess land’. Really, this scenario is something I would like o here a lot more on and how immigrants form the North and Europe would interact with the local Rebs, Unoinists, Blacks, and colored populations. I just used colored since I think that was what people called mixed race back then. One of the less horrid terms, at least. Mulatto seems... eh.
Yeah, that's a good point and I realized this after I finished. I'll fix this if I ever fix the map. Good point on Cameroon as well, although some of the borders are so vague that I can't tell if they're intentionally different from OTL or not.
The four (Bophuthatswana, Ciskei, Transkei, Venda) would remain independent, I doubt the addition of S. Rhodesia would have butterflied that away(?), and I cannot really see either of the three new Rhodesian bantustans seeing their way to that status. Depends on the local political circumstances, but it is my instinct to treat Matabeleland, Mashonaland and Chizarira like KwaZulu, being that they are similarly constituted, and located in a province most similar to Natal. KwaZulu didn't make it to de jure independence. So, in short, I think the Rhodesian bantustan territories would not enjoy de jure independence, with the exception of the five southern reserves that were annexed to Bophuthatswana & three annexed to Venda.
(By the way, if anyone here has literally anything about the constituencies used in apartheid-era South African elections that would be welcome, because I cannot find a damn thing - even what most of them were called, or how they voted.)
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Regarding the alluvial lands, I've tried to model Holland proper after some maps I've found, but I thought that nobody would notice that anyway which is why I didn't continue to pursue it. I'll update it as soon as possible since you apparently did.
And regarding Corsica, the Lombards ruling there were expelled way before the original PoD and was already pacified to a limited extent as far as I can tell. Nominally, it was part of the margraviate of Tuscany and, thus, the Kingdom of Italy as well.
Thank you very much for the feedback, always nice to hear some constructive criticism.
How did Li Hongzhang end up the Viceroy of Yun-Gui? Seems remote for a man of his stature
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I did a more detailed map of the former Ethiopia (in ur timeline),
What do you think?
I did a more detailed map of the former Ethiopia (in ur timeline),
Here's a map of Europe in an alternate 1715, where Jose Fernando of Bavaria didn't die et became ing of Spain. Spanish possessions are shared between France and Austria. France cedes to the House of Savoy Sardinia, Sicily and Naples in exchange for the western slope of Savoy and the county of Nice and takes moreover the free city of Orange.
Prussia continues to acquire Gelderland and the United Provinces of Venlo. There are in all 3 royal unions between 2 countries in Europe.
Prussia continues to acquire Gelderland and the United Provinces of Venlo. There are in all 3 royal unions between 2 countries in Europe.
My first edition of my Man in the high gulags. This is also a double what-if timeline as it's from the perspective of someone from a world where the Axis won WW2.
MAN OF THE HIGH GULAG
On February 15, 1933, President Roosevelt would survive his assassination with Zangara being arrested and later executed. Roosevelt's new deal would help the American economy recover while he also expands the military seeing the Japanese as a threat by 1936. in 1937 Stalin would see the effects of his purges on the economy and would stop any purges by late 37. Once the Germans invaded Poland in 1939 the Allies would still go to war. France, the low lands and Norway and Denmark still fall as the Germans blitzkrieg were still effective. During the later months of 1940, the Germans lose the battle of Britain which doesn't affect much as the Germans never did their invasion anyways. Once the Germans invaded Russia the Russians were still caught off the guard but thanks to Stalin not killing most of his generals the Soviets would stabilize and prevent the Germans from taking Moscow. Meanwhile, Japan still attacks Pearl harbour bringing the US in the war but Germany decides to also declare war on America to aid the Japanese. Japan themselves never destroy all of the American navy and their second waves of attacks never occurred. Japan loses the battle of midway and the US and the western allies would slowly retake its territories and would soon reach the Japanese mainland. The germans meanwhile lose the battle of Stalingrad and their loss of oil would allow the Russians to retake their lands and push the Germans back to their homelands. In the middle east and North Africa, the Italian military would routinely fail which did not work so well as the Italian and Turks who still join the war fail to capture the Suez canal and the Italian lose Libya and are invaded on the south. The allies launch an invasion of France in 1944 which is a total victory. Italy soon capitulates and surrender in 1944 after the fall of Rome. The allies would soon push the Germans and it allies who its allies soon fall. Turkey surrenders in late 1944 but it officially collapses in early 1945. Berlin falls to the soviets and the germans soon surrender as the allies would take most of Germany. Japan would later surrender after the Russians invaded Manchuria and the US would nuke Many Japanese cities. Also, the germans never develop their nukes, V2 rockets or the Amerkabomber we're never people. after japan surrender on 15 September 1945 the allies would soon split into 3 factions. The Uk and France would send the Jewish survivors to Palestine. Also in 1951ish the Egyptians wanted to take the Suez canal but failed and during the crisis, the UK and France united into the Anglo-French Empire. This cause a split in the western allies as they are also in a cold war with the soviets. Russia annexed most of east and central Europe. The Chinese communists win their civil war as the ROC was very unpopular. Japan is a US puppet state. Germany is split into a bunch of states. Italy is an anglo-french puppet state. Then in 1955 the Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and South African government ere overthrown in a US-sponsored coup de ta and are now an ally of the USA who formed the Pacific Atlantic Treaty Alliance (PATO). India is currently revolting against the British and trenches which are supported by the USA while a few communists are supported by the USSR. With the Cold War going into 3 paths many fears a nuclear war is imminent.
This is how most men in the high gulag maps look like
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Map of my hyper alt-German Empire by 1900:
The background of this alt-Empire is a Kingdom of East Francia/Germany allied with the Norse in order to implement an aggressive policy of Ostsiedlung in Russia and Ukraine, later colonizing Siberia in an analogue way the Russians did IOTL (with Germanized Cossacks etc.). Italy is fully conquered, opening the way to German settlement in Tunisia. The German Empire also helped the Byzantines to survive in order to block any Turkic/Persian/Egyptian advance into the Balkans. Iceland here is re-settled by the British.
The background of this alt-Empire is a Kingdom of East Francia/Germany allied with the Norse in order to implement an aggressive policy of Ostsiedlung in Russia and Ukraine, later colonizing Siberia in an analogue way the Russians did IOTL (with Germanized Cossacks etc.). Italy is fully conquered, opening the way to German settlement in Tunisia. The German Empire also helped the Byzantines to survive in order to block any Turkic/Persian/Egyptian advance into the Balkans. Iceland here is re-settled by the British.
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So here is a surprise cover for @RoyalPsycho's worldA, Very Displaced. The idea of a non-Muslim African colonization of the Americas has always tickled me fancy, but a completely displacement of the entirety of sub-Saharan African onto North America was even more intriguing. The writeup and idea goes completely to RoyalPsycho, but all the toponyms (other than the named few) were made out of artistic liberty.
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So I looked at the worlda map, and this is probably one of the most cursed worlds I've seen
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