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Just a quick little worlda I made from this post and this post, nothing too special.

Long story short, Chiang Kai Shek doesn't become leader of the KMT, instead the left wing of the KMT ends up holding power after Sun Yat Sen dies. The United Front continues, and the Communist Party of China grows in influence. Japan still invades Manchuria, but since the Nanjing government isn't busy trying to purge the communists in the encirclement campaigns, Zhang Xueliang isn't left to fight the Japanese alone, and the armies of the central government as well as other warlords (and later the USSR as well) join the fight in Manchuria. After a few years of fighting, Japan is pushed off the mainland and sues for peace, giving China back the territories it had lost since the Treaty of Shimonoseki, giving up control of Korea, and giving Sakhalin and the Kuriles to the USSR. In the aftermath, the Communist Party, now very influential in both the KMT and China as a whole, declares the Socialist Republic of China. This socialist China is not led by Mao Zedong, but rather Chen Duxiu, who governs rather differently than Mao did, with a rather more open society and emulating Lenin's NEP rather than Stalin's rapid collectivization (which creates some tensions between China and the USSR under Stalin)

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Map is around 1940 or so, a little over half a decade since the end of the Second Sino-Japanese War. The central government of China has been seeking to bring warlord territory under central government control, though it has been doing so somewhat gradually, with a sizable portion of territory (the darker China color) remaining under warlord control as of 1940. Also of some note is the Socialist Republic of Korea, liberated in the war with Japan, now a client of sorts of China and pursuing a similar policy path, contrasting considerably to the People's Republic of Korea of OTL. The war in Europe is starting to heat up, pushing Stalin to take a softer tone on the 'deviationist' China, and the pro-peace government that was established via coup in Japan after the fall of Pusan in the war with Japan has itself fallen prey to a militarist coup-the new Japanese government licks its wounds and longs for revenge, though isn't entirely sure how it can actually achieve it
 
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Big Switzerland: featuring Lichtenstein, Vorarlburg, Nice, Turin, and Savoy. Also, the Swiss colony of Nueva Helvetica is a government-run colony. Also, I made a flag for Nueva Helvetica a day or two ago.

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Finally finished my big quarantine project so far: a sequel to / expansion of this map extending the early medieval theme across Europe. Now featuring a Frankish Empire -> Holy Roman Empire -> German Confederation -> European Union and several pairs of confusingly similar country names!

Hey, I realized something. Shouldn't saxish and saxon be reversed on the linguistic map? Since here it seems like Saxland speaks saxon while saxony speaks saxish. It could be just me tho.
 
with a rather more open society and emulating Lenin's NEP rather than Stalin's rapid collectivization (which creates some tensions between China and the USSR under Stalin)

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And why should this cause Stalin's displeasure? Stalin's rapid collectivization was caused by very specific reasons - the urgent need to create industrial power from scratch, in the absence of investment. Funds and labor for industrialization is sucked out of the village. And the likeness of the NEP in China means that the pace of China's industrial growth will not threaten the Soviet Union. While China itself will rely on Soviet industrial products.
 
I have a bunch of projects I'm slowly working on and I want to show them, so instead I'll show something already done (in some respects). Astarey, a fairly large (about the size of Mexico, with a population comparable to Brazil) nation whose history is rather convoluted and a bit silly. The two cities an outsider would be most familiar with (for Astarey has pulled off the impossible feat of true apple pie isolationism) are Reczad (the large boundary-straddling city on the western coast) and the capital Fogiretesz (the city by the lake in the mountains).

Astarey is technologically odd- a stall developed into stagnation on the border between the seventies and eighties, and as things began to advance again a nostalgia for older technologies led to that technological advancement becoming more focused on improving the durability of older technology. Your local library might have a computer, and the main branches of a city library might have an internet connection. There will also likely be university connections and low-bandwith electronic-letter cafes, but nothing on the scale of a personal computer is available to anyone with a reasonable amount of money.

Astarey's isolationism began with paranoia, and that's worked out well for its military- and its space program. Astarese stations orbit several planets in the solar system, and the unmanned "dress rehearsal" landing on a certain red planet will join the fifth dual-planet flyby mission on its way home. Hypersonic unmanned recon aircraft are the best in power projection Astarey has, though- most of the space materiel has come at the expense of its in-atmosphere counterparts.

Astarey is really a project in seeing how long I can stand building a nation that isn't hell, but isn't all that good, I guess. That or a project in seeing how long I can put off drawing the highways I was originally making it to draw....
Think of Astarey as a conventional anglosphere nation, except it's decided to stop exporting the suffering it produces.

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I haven't posted anything in quite a while due to a combination of being busy and having "mappers block", but I thought I would finally post an updated map of a timeline that I've been working on for quite a while. I don't have a permanent name for it, but I'm tentatively calling it The Lions, Eagles and Jaguars. Below is a map of the Major POwer and alliances in the word in the year 1983, 50 years after the conclusion of the Great Global War.
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And a version without a legend:
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I'm planning on developing the timeline further but felt I needed to post something to start. I have a rough outline of what led to what, so if you are curious about anything, just ask.
 
Inspired by the Fantasque Time Line | 1940 - La France continue la guerre (France Fights On)

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December 31 1942
  • The Anglo-American-French forces have secured half of the Italian boot (including Rome) before the Germans. Italy is facing a civil war between the north led by the fascist republic of Mussolini and the south led by the pro-Allied monarchy.
  • British, Greek and French forces have liberated the Peloponnese Peninsula and most of the Aegean Islands, Operation Owl is scheduled for the next year to liberate Athens.
  • Algiers is preparing the last details to the invasion of Sardinia and the liberation of Corsica.
  • In an agreement arranged by France and Great Britain, the monarchist and communist Yugoslav partisans have reached an agreement to commonly fight against the Germans and their collaborators.
  • The Finnish front has stagnated as Helsinki (with secret support from London and Algiers) negotiates a peace agreement with Moscow.
  • Odessa is still under German-Romanian siege, supplies by sea continue under heavy air attacks.
  • The Soviet forces have encircled the last German forces in Kiev in a small pocket in the centre of the city, the Dniepr frontline has become impenetrable for the Germans.
 
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Europe shortly following WWII
I feel like there's a lot of history to go over, and it's probably not meant for this thread, but feel free to ask any questions or ask for anything regarding any particular lore. Would something like the events of a timeline be better suited for its own thread or is there somewhere that'd best be put?
 
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Europe shortly following WWII
I feel like there's a lot of history to go over, and it's probably not meant for this thread, but feel free to ask any questions or ask for anything regarding any particular lore. Would something like the events of a timeline be better suited for its own thread or is there somewhere that'd best be put?

Bulgaria and Romania are the wrong way around, BTW.
 
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I participated in a Telephone Map Game on this site a while back and intended to make a map that combined all of the maps together into one coherent universe, but then I forgot about it until now and decided to just finish it already. I had to change or ignore a few things for the sake of keeping everything consistent, but other than that, I tried to keep as many elements of the original maps as I could.

The approximate PoD is that a United Kingdom of England and France was formed at some point in the medieval period, probably during the Hundred Years' War. Columbus was butterflied away, and a more honest explorer landed in the Americas and brought back much less embellished tales of his "discovery." As a result, Europe ends up focusing on Asia more than the Americas (known as the Hesperias ITTL), with brutal colonialism somewhere between OTL Africa and the OTL Americas imposed on eastern Asia over the next few centuries. China and Japan (known as Cathay and Nihon here) manage to flee to the Hesperias and establish settlements on the west coast, though they stubbornly maintain that they will retake their homelands in the future. Europeans do eventually start colonizing the Hesperias as well, but it's rather slower than OTL, resulting in many more of the Native Hesperians surviving, to the point that the Iroquois are able to briefly establish a massive Native Hesperian confederation covering much of eastern North Hesperia known as the Confederacy of Turtle Island, but it unfortunately ends up falling apart and being forced west thanks to colonists from the Kingdom of Scandica-Norway, which had by now gotten bored of pillaging Asia. The Union of European Communes forms from the United Kingdom of England and France, and though the British Isles eventually manage to break off from the UEC, they're never quite as powerful as they once were. A semi-Cold War of sorts proceeds to break out, with the UEC on one side and pretty much the entire rest of the world on the other, save for some of the UEC's allies like India and Abyssinia. French republicans go into exile in North America, and there are briefly two conflicting French Republics-in-exile, one in *Quebec and one in Louisiana (same name, different origins), before the former is brutally crushed by the North Korea-esque rogue state of Alba Nuadh. The UEC collapses under its own weight in 1999, and the autocratic Russian Empire becomes the absolute global hegemon as the ex-UEC states decline in power and become increasingly impoverished.

In 2020, Russia is still the global hyperpower, though there are some trouble spots, such as the Commune of India (which is still a very *Maoist place), Alba Nuadh (which is growing even worse as time goes on), the Lord's State of Mejico (Aztec-founded rogue state with a syncretic religion combining all the worst aspects of Catholicism and the native religions), and Georgiana (a Cherokee/Calusa-dominated former British colony in North Hesperia that's rising to become a notable anti-Russian regional power, along with the other states in the Nonaligned Pact). Additionally, Russia's nationalistic authoritarianism is growing increasingly unappealing to the populace, and it may just collapse like the old UEC did. Technology is about thirty years behind OTL, and it's still a very racist world, albeit more of the "you don't look like me/worship the same god as me, so I'm going to oppress/kill you now" type- scientific racism was never really a thing in this world.

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I like watching a lot of foreign films and television on Netflix, even though I can only speak English. I had a look through my Netflix viewing history and made a map based on the countries whose films and programmes I've watched. My country, the UK, is in dark blue (I've watched British films/programmes on Netflix), the countries where I have watched something are in teal and the countries who have films/programmes in my "to watch" list are in purple, some have been added to that list specifically to increase the number of countries.

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And why should this cause Stalin's displeasure? Stalin's rapid collectivization was caused by very specific reasons - the urgent need to create industrial power from scratch, in the absence of investment. Funds and labor for industrialization is sucked out of the village. And the likeness of the NEP in China means that the pace of China's industrial growth will not threaten the Soviet Union. While China itself will rely on Soviet industrial products.
There's different interpretations of Stalin and his collectivization, certainly one of the ideas is that it was important to speed up industrialization, but one of the criticisms is that one of the ways it was intended to speed up industrialization was by expanding grain surpluses and then selling the surpluses to the west in return for industrial supplies and materials to help with growing industry-but the collectivization under Stalin ended up decreasing rather than increasing agricultural output, potentially hurting the drive to industrialization. Now, Stalin wouldn't necessarily have a big issue with this aspect in particular, since by his logic, your logic of making China reliant on the USSR would be seen as helping the Soviets, but it comes as part of a broader thing of the Chinese leadership not just going along with whatever the USSR wanted and doing things like criticizing Stalin's authoritarianism. And it's (probably? maybe?) not like Stalin could just openly say that he's actually fine with China taking a different path on economics, at least, in order to benefit the USSR, so it also opens China (and Korea) up to criticism of "deviationism" from communists more broadly, inside and outside the USSR, which further affects things

But Stalin's industrial policy and ideas regarding industrial policy certainly can play a role in preventing the tensions between the USSR and China from getting even worse and getting in the way of Sino-Soviet cooperation

Or something along those lines

@Col. Angus What's going on with Taiwan? Are the western warlords in China seeking foreign protection at all?

Taiwan was granted back to China in the peace treaty ending the Second Sino-Japanese War, which gave China back all the territories it had lost since the Treaty of Shimonoseki. This was rather controversial in Japan, however, and contributed to the pro-peace government's decline in popularity and eventually replacement with a militaristic government-but by that time, Taiwan had already been handed over. So Taiwan is a province of China, under the control of the central government

As for the warlords, some may have sought foreign protection, but Europeans in China at this time are not terribly popular, nor is the idea of Chinese local leaders threatening the unity and peace that had been gained after years of war, especially by getting imperialist powers involved, a particularly popular idea with the masses, so the warlords tend to feel limited in regards to what they can do along those lines. With the rising power of the central government, there's also a common perception that the end of the remaining warlord states is not a matter of 'if' but 'when', and that it would be better just holding out as long as possible until the central government was willing to force the issue, and then either accepting the pensions offered by the central government or just taking what wealth they have and leaving the country. Also, the war with Japan ended in 1934, at which point the various foreign countries that could project power into the region were largely preoccupied with the great depression and economic issues, and later were preoccupied with the rising tensions in Europe and with building up their military in that theatre, so the warlords didn't have that much foreign support available to draw on anyway, they were limited with available options
 
Your scenario is interesting, but Japan handing back Taiwan does not make sense to me.

My idea was something along the lines of that the shock of being defeated and completely pushed off the mainland, as well as the Soviets joining the war, caused a political shakeup in Japan, resulting in a sort of revolution/coup with a pacifistic government coming to power that wasn't communist itself but was more sympathetic to the Chinese than the former militarist government, and that this, along with fears that the Chinese and Soviets together could build up and eventually challenge the Japanese at sea enough to just take what they wanted by force while pushing a harsher peace on Japan, and the Chinese here agreeing to not demand reparations if Taiwan was handed back, was able to convince the postwar Japanese government to hand over the territory and end the war rather than drawing it out longer

I did try to give it some justification, but still, maybe it's not the most realistic scenario, I won't deny that
 
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I'm trying my hand at alt-historying for an eventual CK3 mod.

Rome was stillborn, and Alexander of Macedon (who miraculously was not butterflied away) went on to conquer as he did IOTL. While circumnavigating Arabia on his way to conquer Carthage, he fought some Bedouins and experienced a spiritual revelation that had him turning back towards Mesopotamia and settling in for a nice long rule. When death by old age drew near, he wandered off to India to become an ascetic, never to be seen again.

Without the Huns smashing into Eastern Europe, the Germanic migrations happened more gradually than IOTL, allowing other polities to better absorb them. Druidism and its helpful class of priestly clerks has made the religion popular with Germanic rulers, though the godly hero-adventurer Zalmoxis may prove appealing as well. Both religions have been heavily influenced by Buddhism, which has split into innumerable schools of thought within the ever-shrinking Hellenic world.

Hellenistic Judaism never quite took off in the Hellenic world, but it found fertile ground in the lower classes of Carthage. From there it spread to the Berbers and Libyans, who discovered that the Messiah was in their midst. Now, they seek to establish the Kingdom of God by uniting the lost tribes of Israel. Picking over the wealthy remnants of the Carthaginian Empire is a welcome bonus.

I started doing the map with endonyms at first, but that proved tough when I got to cultural/linguistic groups like "Finno-Ugric." I have no idea what to call the african religious groups, given how many peoples they cover. Arab paganism I can just call something like "the old ways" in Arabic.

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