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Thank you both. I've been considering a Bronze Age Collapse scenario, but maybe with Biblical mysticism added in as well. It's not all squaring up very neatly in my head though.

If anyone's any ideas shout out or DM me or something.
Maybe King Solomon's demon controlling ring is fought over by various warlords and the like as a symbol of dominance across the Middle East.
 
Thank you both. I've been considering a Bronze Age Collapse scenario, but maybe with Biblical mysticism added in as well. It's not all squaring up very neatly in my head though.

If anyone's any ideas shout out or DM me or something.


Maybe King Solomon's demon controlling ring is fought over by various warlords and the like as a symbol of dominance across the Middle East.

I try to come up with more ideas later, but what comes to me first is Sheba survived rather well and expanded itself afterwards.

Maybe add in some Greek mythology too, like the Olympians split over the Trojan War. Why? Loophole.

In the Tanakh and the Torah, the Jewish holy books, it doesn't actually say there are no other gods. Just that HaShem is paramount and to be worshiped by the Israelites/Jews/Hebrews. In the Torah portion Re'eh, it says "... and a curse, if you disobey these commandments, and turn away to worship other gods whom you have never worshiped before"

So Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Bible and Greek free game for Brozen Age collapse.
 
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Close up on the Southeastern Seaboard
The Southeastern Seaboard is a geopolitical region within Northern Columbia, encompassing an area from Cape Charles on the Chesapeake Peninsula to the Southern tip of the Floridian Peninsula and (sometimes included) the island of Cuba. The area possesses incredible strategic importance to many Columbian nations, as a large portion of the Intracoastal Waterway is located within, carrying billions of dollars of trade. Nations within the Southeastern Seaboard include the Commonwealth of Virginia, Republic of Georgia, and the State of Florida.

Carolina is a state within the Commonwealth of Virginia, originally settled by colonialists moving south from the Elizabethia and Norfolk settlements. Carolina would not be named an official designation until 1660, when "the regions West of the Albemarle" were designated as the Carolina County, named after then King Charles II. Later, in 1670, the then-Carolina County would then be partitioned from the Virginia colony and be made separate. This separation would last until 1787, when Carolina and various other states would unite to form the Virginian Commonwealth after attaining independence from the British. Originally a slave state, Carolina would later phase out of agriculture to partially industrialize in the 19th century. Nowadays, technology and bio-engineering make up most of the state's economy, fueling the growth of major cities such as Mecklenberg, New Bern, Lawson, and Durham.

Walesylvania is a designated Commonwealth Republic within the greater Commonwealth of Virginia, being one of the more diverse areas, due to a larger presence of Welsh and Scottish peoples than in the rest of the nation. Walesylvania's origin is deeply rooted in religious freedom and civil liberties, being founded by William Penn as a haven for Quakers and others fleeing persecution. Penn would manage to attain this land from King Charles II in order to repay debts to his father, which would be one of the largest land exchanges between a government and a private individual. After gaining independence and joining Virginia, the Republic would then serve as a front for abolitionists, culminating in the 1805 Annesville Accords, outlawing the sale of slaves, and later banning the practice itself in 1812. In the modern day, the region is renowned for its beautiful geography, indigo and rice farming, and a growing technology sector.

The Republic of Georgia is a country within the Southeastern Seaboard, stretching from the Atlantic Coast to the Gulf of Mexico and Mississippi River. Declaring its own independence from Britain in 1773 during the Revolutionary Wars, it would establish itself as a country separate from Virginia. Since 1930, Georgia has been under a one-party dictatorship, being lead by the National Party. The regime of Georgia has long had international condemnation due to its oppression of the African American population and of dissenters, culminating in the Crisis of 2012. Since the Crisis, the Republic has undergone a 4-way civil war between the Nationals, Liberals, American Indians, and African Americans attempting to carve out their own zones of influence.

(might to write-ups for the others soon)
figured I'd actually do a write-up for another map for my planned TL lol
 
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I try to come up with more ideas later, but what comes to me first is Sheba survived rather well and expanded itself afterwards.

Maybe add in some Greek mythology too, like the Olympians split over the Trojan War. Why? Loophole.

In the Tanakh and the Torah, the Jewish holy books, it doesn't actually say there are no other gods. Just that HaShem is paramount and to be worshiped by the Israelites/Jews/Hebrews. In the Torah portion Re'eh, it says "... and a curse, if you disobey these commandments, and turn away to worship other gods whom you have never worshiped before"

So Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Bible and Greek free game for Brozen Age collapse.

I'm excited to see what you do with this concept!

Dionysus and Aphrodite probably are older than most of the other Greek Gods and are pretty likely to have been picked up by the Greeks from other folks (Personally, Dionysus and his travelling, trickery, madness, and merriment could be good for a Randall Flagg/The Adversary-esque character knocking over kingdoms and spreading chaos). Plus the pre-BAC greek pantheon from what we can piece together has some interesting differences (Cthonic deities being the top dogs, ie Poseidon the Earthquake Lord and Zeus being of less importance, Persephone and Dionysus getting some important focus, Aphrodite perhaps keeping Ishtar's more war-like stance being fresh off the boat)

Perhaps each of the civilizations are trying to do as the Egyptians and find a cosmic balance (ie The Nile's regular and predictable flooding), but it's a lot harder when you have neighbors whose Gods are also trying to balance the world their way, and clashing.
 
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Circa May 15th, 1952, after the Decisive Collapse of the Union armies at the battle of Monterrey.

Throughout American history, the american people have faced thousands of losses, the lack of human rights, both black and white, the complete devastation of the railway system, and the "neo-colonialism" of the west coast made by European powers, even despite the Monroe doctrine. However, even though America was under a effective corrupt industrialist society, the people eventually rose up in a coup d'eat over Washington D.C... The usage made by the communists in the Gila trail effectively changed the war, as the Socialist forces would steamroll into South California with unprecedented surrender and lack of resistance, resulting in the devastation of Union armies in Monterrey. However, British and French ports of New Orleans and Galveston have been permitted to stay until 2001. This american civil war damaged the public image of the British Federation and French Republic, as they would be seen as being unable to "carry on the torch" of peace-keeping made by their predecessors. Under threat of the German Commune's alliance with the new American communists, the British, French and communists signed a effective deal, resulting in the treaty of Salem which decides the American Fate, and American extreme isolationism until the 80s, awakening a new superpower.


tl:dr : vietnam america
 
Thank you both. I've been considering a Bronze Age Collapse scenario, but maybe with Biblical mysticism added in as well. It's not all squaring up very neatly in my head though.

If anyone's any ideas shout out or DM me or something.

Perhaps instead of the Sea Peoples as we understand them, the marauding armies are composed of Nephilim.
 
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I found an old map from a while back, and I decided to redo it and actually complete it this time. So, here's the German states in 1924. (The premise is that after WW1 the German, Austrian, and Ottoman empires were balkanised a bunch more. Here are the nominally German kingdoms and republics.)
 

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I try to come up with more ideas later, but what comes to me first is Sheba survived rather well and expanded itself afterwards.

Maybe add in some Greek mythology too, like the Olympians split over the Trojan War. Why? Loophole.

In the Tanakh and the Torah, the Jewish holy books, it doesn't actually say there are no other gods. Just that HaShem is paramount and to be worshiped by the Israelites/Jews/Hebrews. In the Torah portion Re'eh, it says "... and a curse, if you disobey these commandments, and turn away to worship other gods whom you have never worshiped before"

So Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Bible and Greek free game for Brozen Age collapse.
I'm excited to see what you do with this concept!

Dionysus and Aphrodite probably are older than most of the other Greek Gods and are pretty likely to have been picked up by the Greeks from other folks (Personally, Dionysus and his travelling, trickery, madness, and merriment could be good for a Randall Flagg/The Adversary-esque character knocking over kingdoms and spreading chaos). Plus the pre-BAC greek pantheon from what we can piece together has some interesting differences (Cthonic deities being the top dogs, ie Poseidon the Earthquake Lord and Zeus being of less importance, Persephone and Dionysus getting some important focus, Aphrodite perhaps keeping Ishtar's more war-like stance being fresh off the boat)

Perhaps each of the civilizations are trying to do as the Egyptians and find a cosmic balance (ie The Nile's regular and predictable flooding), but it's a lot harder when you have neighbors whose Gods are also trying to balance the world their way, and clashing.
Perhaps instead of the Sea Peoples as we understand them, the marauding armies are composed of Nephilim.

Good ideas folks. I'd been starting from the Hebrew Table of Nations and the "Seventy sons of Ēl". So Yaweh is among the gods, Murdak and Ra and all them boys are his brothers, or possibly his sons depending on your reading. But each of the sons of Ēl is leading their own nation, and Israel is Yaweh's. So I was considering something like that.

There's also that the Nephilim, "the sons of the gods", are maybe some sort of reference to the demi-gods and hero-kings of the nations that surrounded Israel. If I play it loose then the Nephilim could maybe be some remnants of the Hittites and Assyrians in the Levant. Iirc Exodus refers to the Nephilim living among the Canaanites, which makes me think of warlords from the great empires surviving in the Levant after the collapse.

Another idea is that later texts change the meaning of certain words, so the Nephilim go from being the sons of gods to the sons of angels. I love the old Biblical angels "BE NOT AFRAID" and all that, so I thought to have a common origin between Gods and Angels. I particularly remember an old Greek story where one of Zeus' mortal lovers pesters him into showing his true form, which is so overwhelming it kills her. Reminds me of the scary af angels tbh- wings, rings, and too many eyes.

So yeah, I'm thinking of some sort of infighting between the sons of Ēl and the nations they lead, which has lead to the BAC as some apocalypse level event, whether by accident or design. The otherworldly nature of biblical angels also makes me want to make the gods motives in creating and ruling humanity much more obtuse. And of course with the foundation of Israel there's talk of a true "End of Days" approaching way too quickly.
 
Good ideas folks. I'd been starting from the Hebrew Table of Nations and the "Seventy sons of Ēl". So Yaweh is among the gods, Murdak and Ra and all them boys are his brothers, or possibly his sons depending on your reading. But each of the sons of Ēl is leading their own nation, and Israel is Yaweh's. So I was considering something like that.

There's also that the Nephilim, "the sons of the gods", are maybe some sort of reference to the demi-gods and hero-kings of the nations that surrounded Israel. If I play it loose then the Nephilim could maybe be some remnants of the Hittites and Assyrians in the Levant. Iirc Exodus refers to the Nephilim living among the Canaanites, which makes me think of warlords from the great empires surviving in the Levant after the collapse.

Another idea is that later texts change the meaning of certain words, so the Nephilim go from being the sons of gods to the sons of angels. I love the old Biblical angels "BE NOT AFRAID" and all that, so I thought to have a common origin between Gods and Angels. I particularly remember an old Greek story where one of Zeus' mortal lovers pesters him into showing his true form, which is so overwhelming it kills her. Reminds me of the scary af angels tbh- wings, rings, and too many eyes.

So yeah, I'm thinking of some sort of infighting between the sons of Ēl and the nations they lead, which has lead to the BAC as some apocalypse level event, whether by accident or design. The otherworldly nature of biblical angels also makes me want to make the gods motives in creating and ruling humanity much more obtuse. And of course with the foundation of Israel there's talk of a true "End of Days" approaching way too quickly.

Nephilim could have become a overarching term. Like, yes, they was Germany, but before 1871, it was the name of a region, and you have dozens and so on of German states, and kingdoms. Same for Italy being the name of a region, and you have several nations, and kingdoms. You have the ones who come from gods, and warrior-kings, and those born of the Angels.

Ah yes. It was Dionysus' mom, Semele, and she didn't just die, she was burned to ashes in the version I read, and Zeus had to carry the unborn Dionysus. Maybe that why Dionysus is the way he is actually....he scared from Zeus showing his true form to Semele.

Ah yes, the Seraph. Biggest, baddest angels you can find. But also the nicest...

And then you have China...you have the Zhou dynasty and before it, the Shang dynasty. Isaiah may actually mentions China. Isaiah 49: 12: "Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim." It may also speak of Egypt, or Aswan. But something to think about.

Aphrodite: I'm a Goddness of Love, but love can be just as cruel when needed.

(Some Gods actually do care about humans, and want to take care of them, some want to rule them for power or 'for their own good,' some want to use them to fight off rivals. The list goes on.)
 
Maybe King Solomon's demon controlling ring is fought over by various warlords and the like as a symbol of dominance across the Middle East.
One ring to rule them all!
Perhaps instead of the Sea Peoples as we understand them, the marauding armies are composed of Nephilim.
maybe they are literally sea people!
Good ideas folks. I'd been starting from the Hebrew Table of Nations and the "Seventy sons of Ēl". So Yaweh is among the gods, Murdak and Ra and all them boys are his brothers, or possibly his sons depending on your reading. But each of the sons of Ēl is leading their own nation, and Israel is Yaweh's. So I was considering something like that.

There's also that the Nephilim, "the sons of the gods", are maybe some sort of reference to the demi-gods and hero-kings of the nations that surrounded Israel. If I play it loose then the Nephilim could maybe be some remnants of the Hittites and Assyrians in the Levant. Iirc Exodus refers to the Nephilim living among the Canaanites, which makes me think of warlords from the great empires surviving in the Levant after the collapse.

Another idea is that later texts change the meaning of certain words, so the Nephilim go from being the sons of gods to the sons of angels. I love the old Biblical angels "BE NOT AFRAID" and all that, so I thought to have a common origin between Gods and Angels. I particularly remember an old Greek story where one of Zeus' mortal lovers pesters him into showing his true form, which is so overwhelming it kills her. Reminds me of the scary af angels tbh- wings, rings, and too many eyes.

So yeah, I'm thinking of some sort of infighting between the sons of Ēl and the nations they lead, which has lead to the BAC as some apocalypse level event, whether by accident or design. The otherworldly nature of biblical angels also makes me want to make the gods motives in creating and ruling humanity much more obtuse. And of course with the foundation of Israel there's talk of a true "End of Days" approaching way too quickly.
Google Horbigers Welteis theory or read Morning of the Magicians. Nephilims (and giants, titans, monsters...) as relicts of past age surviving through cataclysm, hardly adapting for new world, degenerating from god-like figures, heroes and benefactors of "lesser", younger races, into tyrants and monsters...
 
Well, here's another one of these.

Couple explanatory bits: Palestinian national identity (beyond their identity as south Syrian Arabs) is a product of their conflict with the Israelis, so I went with late PODs. Similarly for Nigeria, which didn't exist as a unified entity before British colonialism (so I felt free to bulk it up a bit, Males Rising style.) I admit I cheated a bit on Panama, but honestly there's only so much you can do with a small and jungly part of the Spanish Empire fated by location to be best known as the site of a canal. (Idea of the capital of the Spanish Empire being there taken from Xanthoc.)

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I dread to think what the Mongolian version of this will look like.
 
That's it, I'm done, I cannot look at this thing anymore.

The P.O.D. is that the American Revolution fails miserably, and as a result the French Revolution is not only much worse, but it also end's up evolving into a movement to unite Europe under one banner and purge it of all "non European" influences. One of the more interesting aspects of this is that, whenever possible, Grand Europa will actually provide support for non European nations, not out of some sense of altruism, but to try and "save" their fellow European nations from becoming corrupted by foreign cultures.
It's the exact opposite of plausible, but sometimes trying to stick to plausibility only serves to cause predictability.
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My take on the age-old "What if Napoleon won" scenario, potentially planning to use this one for a timeline sometimes in the future. Although I'm not planning geopolitics to be a large part of the timeline. Based of a HUGE basemap someone posted here a while ago.

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From the plains of Deli to the mountain ranges of Papua, a young and ambitious king sets his eye east as riches of the world are waiting for him. Crushing the Portuguese infidels in Malacca and subjugating the Javanese, his conquest as inspired both grand epics and tragedies that live to this day. He knows nothing but war until he ends his march in Papua, living under the splendors of his conquest until his passing in 1658

<--- Author's Note--->
If you guys followed my work since early 2017 then you'll know that this is not the first map I made for the subject. There are two versions: the [simple version] and this [convoluted piece of ****]. But believe or not, I tried to be ambitious with this project at first. I didn't just add some side content to flesh out the world and call it a day, I tried to make a map "authentic" at first but it didn't come to fruition since I'm a bit inept at first. But after years of tampering with textures and opacities, I finally get the hand with making this faux-paper aesthetic possible.

So the thing, I retread back to my old map on Anatolia, the one where [Sultanate of Rum] survived. There, I realized that most of the atlases I have some kind of half-tones where the patterns of the print mostly consist of colorized dots. There, I tried to add it to the scene and fill it with some paper texture asset and call it a day. I was happy with it until a few weeks later after making some self-criticisms around my previous work. That leads me to this one and I try to expand it more. I don't want a simple copy on the subject, I wanna add something to it. It took me hours or even days until I realize the solution, especially after reading my atlas again. The answer is surprisingly simple, just add some two different layers and move them apart diagonally. When it comes to the obvious sharpness, I added some gaussian blur to make it mesh with the rest of the map. And I set each paper textures to different settings, one is normal while the other to multiply.

Eventually, I head back to the map and start making this thing to its peak. I've finally made the map that I wanted since my first brainstorm and I'm glad that the results are marvelous... at least for me.

Anyway, since some of y'all might be reading this, I'll link my [DeviantArt] page if you want to check the rest of my work. And you want to make something similar, I have plans to make a video on setting the texture. But in the meantime, I have a [basic video tutorial] on mapmaking in Inkscape. Be warned though, I used BonziBuddy to voice this thing. Too much of a coward to use my own voice... for now.

Well, that's for me. Have fun!
 
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