Map Thread XIX
- Thread starter water123
- Start date
- Status
A 8K-BAM/SUCK map I did.
Concept : A Swiss civil war turning in victory for the Romands and Italophones changes the fate of WWII into a rather drastic Entente victory upon the forces of National Socialism and Bolshevism, if necessary via an alliance with some... distasteful partners.
This is 1945, at the eve of the Frozen Conflict.
Dude, what? You can't just make up words and say they're "Old Britannic".
Deleted member 105545
Boi just admit its ASB these names do not make sense with how you described them
Deleted member 105545
Also the “German” was not one group of people? How is it that the Slavs have different ASB kingdoms but the Germans are inexplicably united? The modern concept of a German didn’t exist until the 19th century, let alone the 5th. The Franks were Germanic, so were the Lombards, the Burgundians, the Vandals, and the Goths. So are they all “German” in this timeline as well?
From the Ruins Risen
A recent thread posited the idea of East Germany surviving to the present day. Having seen some of these threads before, my conclusion is that East Germany could not have survived unless they developed both a sufficiently independent identity to the extent that reunification would not be desired in the first place. After putting it off for ages, I decided to explore this idea.
In this timeline, the occupation zones of Germany after the war were less favourable to Stalin, more or less following the final frontlines, with the border primarily along the Elbe and Saale rivers. As a result, Germany lost little land in the east to Poland in order that the Soviet zone could compete with the West. This had the crucial impact of placing the highly industrialised Silesia, also rich in natural resources, within the borders of the East German state. However, now fearing that a unified Germany could once again pose a significant threat to the Soviet Union, it was decided to ensure that the East would never unite with the West; its inhabitants were to be “as German as Kazakhs”.
And so, in 1950, a year after the formation of the Federal Republic of Germany in the West, the People’s Republic of Prussia was born. The Western Allies were shocked; they’d just fought a war against Prussian militarism, and yet it had risen again once more. Stalin, never as obsessive about Prussia as the western powers, saw little problem, from here, a new, socialist identity could be created in a new nation, marking a clean break with the old. And a clean break was made; a new flag, anthem, government, constitution; everything but the name was new.
Revised Prussian History contended that the Prussian workers and peasants had been co-opted by the aristocracy and the bourgeoisie, most notably the Junkers, and had been led astray by the bourgeois and capitalistic Germans, and Germans the Prussians most certainly were not. Much of the blame for World War II was heaped on “Germany”, which to everyone else included the Prussians – but not for them. While at the time this certainly aided in forming a new national identity, it has led to some problems down the road. The Soviets continued on their program of national redefinition, most famously with an ambassador’s comment that “the Prussians are a naturally socialist people”, which raised a lot of eyebrows in the West.
The Prussian Socialist Party had total control over the state, and a rigorous security apparatus was built that saw pretty much everyone in Prussia under constant surveillance. With extra manpower and resources, Prussia managed to do better than OTL East Germany, but not a lot better. Without a Berlin Wall as a tension point, the decline of the Eastern Bloc takes a little longer, and Prussia’s course is far more similar to those of the other nations. But decline the Eastern Bloc does, and by 1992 Prussia is a free and independent nation, quickly casting aside its last vestiges of communism and holding free and fair elections. Some suggested unification with Germany, but it was about as common a stance as Austrians wanting to join Germany.
Instead Prussia charted her own course, steering clear of the State Union in the East and also NATO in the West – at least for a while. In 2003 Prussia officially became a member of the European Union, and adopted the euro as its currency in 2012. Now Prussia looks much like other former Eastern Bloc countries, with conservative-leaning politics as a result of the ongoing backlash against the VRP and a somewhat shaky democratic tradition. But above all, the Prussians are proud of who they are. Possibly too proud – far-right parties have gained a lot of influence thanks to the blaming of ‘the Germans’ for WWII – but proud nonetheless. Proud of their history, and somehow proud of their culture despite not having any, Prussia is effectively a nation constructed from scratch. A nation risen from the ruins.
A recent thread posited the idea of East Germany surviving to the present day. Having seen some of these threads before, my conclusion is that East Germany could not have survived unless they developed both a sufficiently independent identity to the extent that reunification would not be desired in the first place. After putting it off for ages, I decided to explore this idea.
In this timeline, the occupation zones of Germany after the war were less favourable to Stalin, more or less following the final frontlines, with the border primarily along the Elbe and Saale rivers. As a result, Germany lost little land in the east to Poland in order that the Soviet zone could compete with the West. This had the crucial impact of placing the highly industrialised Silesia, also rich in natural resources, within the borders of the East German state. However, now fearing that a unified Germany could once again pose a significant threat to the Soviet Union, it was decided to ensure that the East would never unite with the West; its inhabitants were to be “as German as Kazakhs”.
And so, in 1950, a year after the formation of the Federal Republic of Germany in the West, the People’s Republic of Prussia was born. The Western Allies were shocked; they’d just fought a war against Prussian militarism, and yet it had risen again once more. Stalin, never as obsessive about Prussia as the western powers, saw little problem, from here, a new, socialist identity could be created in a new nation, marking a clean break with the old. And a clean break was made; a new flag, anthem, government, constitution; everything but the name was new.
Revised Prussian History contended that the Prussian workers and peasants had been co-opted by the aristocracy and the bourgeoisie, most notably the Junkers, and had been led astray by the bourgeois and capitalistic Germans, and Germans the Prussians most certainly were not. Much of the blame for World War II was heaped on “Germany”, which to everyone else included the Prussians – but not for them. While at the time this certainly aided in forming a new national identity, it has led to some problems down the road. The Soviets continued on their program of national redefinition, most famously with an ambassador’s comment that “the Prussians are a naturally socialist people”, which raised a lot of eyebrows in the West.
The Prussian Socialist Party had total control over the state, and a rigorous security apparatus was built that saw pretty much everyone in Prussia under constant surveillance. With extra manpower and resources, Prussia managed to do better than OTL East Germany, but not a lot better. Without a Berlin Wall as a tension point, the decline of the Eastern Bloc takes a little longer, and Prussia’s course is far more similar to those of the other nations. But decline the Eastern Bloc does, and by 1992 Prussia is a free and independent nation, quickly casting aside its last vestiges of communism and holding free and fair elections. Some suggested unification with Germany, but it was about as common a stance as Austrians wanting to join Germany.
Instead Prussia charted her own course, steering clear of the State Union in the East and also NATO in the West – at least for a while. In 2003 Prussia officially became a member of the European Union, and adopted the euro as its currency in 2012. Now Prussia looks much like other former Eastern Bloc countries, with conservative-leaning politics as a result of the ongoing backlash against the VRP and a somewhat shaky democratic tradition. But above all, the Prussians are proud of who they are. Possibly too proud – far-right parties have gained a lot of influence thanks to the blaming of ‘the Germans’ for WWII – but proud nonetheless. Proud of their history, and somehow proud of their culture despite not having any, Prussia is effectively a nation constructed from scratch. A nation risen from the ruins.
This isn't that eyebrow raising though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preussentum_und_Sozialismus is a thing, after all, since WW1.He could've gone with Frankfurt, because wouldn't it be amazing to have two neighboring countries with capitals who share the same (short) name?
Hi all,
I found a language website that has some great map resources for migrations going back 40,000 years!
https://indo-european.eu/maps/
Here's a selection [small size to load them on here]
I found a language website that has some great map resources for migrations going back 40,000 years!
https://indo-european.eu/maps/
Here's a selection [small size to load them on here]
Aurantiacis
Gone Fishin'
So here is a detailed map of the Vespuccian Union, of course being from the fantastic mapgame ~Historiae Mutetur!~.
Timeline is here: https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/silent-reverse-mapgame-historiae-mutetur.298392/
I'm glad to see Dahomey-over-the-Sea make a reappearance. That was one of my favorite things about the game.
what's the base map? I have an idea of an arabo-african scramble for america
I'd have gone for Frankfurt purely due to its location but why not keep Berlin? It was pretty much the capital of Brandenburg-Prussia.
The Teutonic SSR
Seeing an opportunity to invoke further chaos into the already unstable Russian regime, the Germans sought to transport the controversial Russian political activist Lenin to the Russian capital. His train ride was cut short due to a derailment outside Königsberg leading to him breaching containment and advancing upon the Prussian capital. After taking the city with the power of his natural charms he quickly set up a people's army with the aim of spreading the people's revolution further.
Establishing a functioning Theocratic Autocracy with himself as the religious head, it didn't take long for the people to view him as a God, though he wasn't officially declared one until after his death. To replace him a Soviet of Lenin was founded with the aims of "doing what Lenin would've done".
My DeviantArt
Would it still be called a soviet if it's in Germany? I was under the impression that soviet was a Russian word...
EDIT: though after reading city-names it seems like all of German-ity has been purged from the region...
A well-made map with an interesting idea, @Cattette ! Is Leninism going to become a widespread or even a world religion?
- Status