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At first I think that too but aliens landed on Rio de Jenario, Brussels and Sydney too. None of them on the board despite the fact that all of them much more powerful than Egypt.
Brussels was more in reference to the European Union as a whole, who are represented by Germany and France (and the UK, if Brexit has been delayed that long). And I thought I put in Brazil, but evidently not... I'll amend that.
 
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I know that this isn't one of the WIPs on my WIP list, but I can explain, I promise. I actually made this map a few months ago, proceeded to forget that I'd finished it, and didn't remember until recently when I accidentally opened the file and thought, "Wait, I never actually uploaded this, did I?" Anyway, enjoy the map and scenario.

I'm sure most of you have probably seen that "What if the largest countries had the highest populations?" map by now. I thought it was amusing, even if it was full of errors, so I decided to make a scenario based off of it. I chalked up all the inaccuracies to the alien space bat responsible for it being drunk at the time of the ISOT. Yes, the name is a Lemon Demon reference.

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You know, as intriguing as this scenario is, it'll only get better with time. It's been predicted that by 2024, India will surpass China as the nation with the highest population on Earth. Which means the PRC would be in the number two slot, and the ASB would graft them onto...

Canada.

Uh-oh.
 
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A map from my WIP TL in which the Whites win the the Russian Civil War. The POD is 1917 with Kerensky not giving arms to the Petrograd Soviet and Kornilov reaching Petrograd. Kornilov dismantled the Soviet, imprisoning or executing members. While Kornilov didn't overthrow Kerensky, he gave himself a greater hand in the provisional government (and later Republic) and ensured that the army is the top priority. The Provisional Government's refusal to sign a peace with Germany meant that the Brest-Litovsk treaty was never signed and the Germans made greater gains on the eastern front. However, Germany still suffered the November Revolution and signed the Armistice on November 11th, 1918.

In the number of treaties that followed the Great War Russia was given control of Prussia in lieu of Constantinople. While the British had agreed to give it to them in 1916, they felt that the occupation of Constantinople combined with Russia's ensuing turmoil would upset the balance of Balkans and the Middle East. Austria-Hungary was divided differently than OTL. Romania was still given most of Transylvania with the rest going to the new Republic of Galicia-Slovakia, a west Slavic union sate. Austria and Bohemia both became independent republics with close ties.

The Russian Civil War continued until the White Army and the Provisionial Government (now claiming to be the Republic of Russia) were victorious over the Soviets in 1923. The nation saw extreme economic issues and wide depopulation after major population centers are freed from Soviet control. The young republic struggled with its transition to democracy while Kornilov remained supreme commander of the army and the true power behind president Kerensky. In the early years, Finland, Poland and Ukraine were given semi-autonomous governments that, while still beholden to the Petrograd government, allowed Russia to focus more on itself while having control over an Eastern European power bloc.

Many fleeing Soviet Russians emigrated to Germany during the German Revolution, including Leon Trotsky. Russian laborers became the backbone of Germany's socialist revolution, lasting from the end of the Great War until 1925 when the Communist Party under Rosa Luxemburg and Trotsky overthrew the Weimar government...

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Any feedback is nice, both on map-making and the story of TL. There is still quite a few things post 1925 i have planned but I figured I'd keep it short since this is the map thread. I plan to make it a full graphic timeline, but I don't have the time just yet.
 
I know that this isn't one of the WIPs on my WIP list, but I can explain, I promise. I actually made this map a few months ago, proceeded to forget that I'd finished it, and didn't remember until recently when I accidentally opened the file and thought, "Wait, I never actually uploaded this, did I?" Anyway, enjoy the map and scenario.

Cool ASB-ness, but I think you if anything understate the resulting death tolls: Australia isn't going to support more than a fraction of the population of Pakistan, and Libya isn't going to support that many Iranians. (They're probably going to invade Egypt for its fertile, fertile soils, and screw the Tanzanians) Aside from the US and Brazil, the populations of the major food-exporting nations are generally in less favorable climes, and the populations that have replaced them often lack the advanced technological infrastructure needed for modern farming.

Also, the Brazilian and Filipino colors are close enough to be a bit confusing, suggest you go back to the old UCS color for Brazil, it's a more distinct shade of green.
 
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An African nation was selected because, seeing as this was a global event, it seemed fitting to the UN to call together leaders from every continent. Egypt was the one they ultimately decided on because there were alien spaceships sitting in the middle of Cairo.
Seems like Egypt would be seen more are representing Arabs, though I do know there is a fair bit of overlap between the Islamic, Arab, and African voting blocs. As for your thing a bit back about people not carrying about ports, it does make it suspicious why Egypt is the one to get it from Israel. And why Jordan expanded its own so far. Still, question still stands about the exact situation for Israel here. Is its not being a member like the others meaning it has more control over population movements? And what are all those dots in India for?
 
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A map from my WIP TL in which the Whites win the the Russian Civil War. The POD is 1917 with Kerensky not giving arms to the Petrograd Soviet and Kornilov reaching Petrograd. Kornilov dismantled the Soviet, imprisoning or executing members. While Kornilov didn't overthrow Kerensky, he gave himself a greater hand in the provisional government (and later Republic) and ensured that the army is the top priority. The Provisional Government's refusal to sign a peace with Germany meant that the Brest-Litovsk treaty was never signed and the Germans made greater gains on the eastern front. However, Germany still suffered the November Revolution and signed the Armistice on November 11th, 1918.

In the number of treaties that followed the Great War Russia was given control of Prussia in lieu of Constantinople. While the British had agreed to give it to them in 1916, they felt that the occupation of Constantinople combined with Russia's ensuing turmoil would upset the balance of Balkans and the Middle East. Austria-Hungary was divided differently than OTL. Romania was still given most of Transylvania with the rest going to the new Republic of Galicia-Slovakia, a west Slavic union sate. Austria and Bohemia both became independent republics with close ties.

The Russian Civil War continued until the White Army and the Provisionial Government (now claiming to be the Republic of Russia) were victorious over the Soviets in 1923. The nation saw extreme economic issues and wide depopulation after major population centers are freed from Soviet control. The young republic struggled with its transition to democracy while Kornilov remained supreme commander of the army and the true power behind president Kerensky. In the early years, Finland, Poland and Ukraine were given semi-autonomous governments that, while still beholden to the Petrograd government, allowed Russia to focus more on itself while having control over an Eastern European power bloc.

Many fleeing Soviet Russians emigrated to Germany during the German Revolution, including Leon Trotsky. Russian laborers became the backbone of Germany's socialist revolution, lasting from the end of the Great War until 1925 when the Communist Party under Rosa Luxemburg and Trotsky overthrew the Weimar government...

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Any feedback is nice, both on map-making and the story of TL. There is still quite a few things post 1925 i have planned but I figured I'd keep it short since this is the map thread. I plan to make it a full graphic timeline, but I don't have the time just yet.
I think the map and scenario are great- my only nitpicks are color-wise, the German color is a little too similar to the Austrian one, I think a brighter red would do better- and brighter reds are more conventional for communist countries anyways. The Polish color is a little confusing as well, it looks to me like it's a British puppet or protectorate.

The only things I would question for the scenario are the strength of the independent Ukraine and Finland- Finland especially looks like it made off with a lot of territory, and I would think that by now (what with the revolution having ended and all) the Russians would have invaded at least one of said countries to reclaim the territory- I can't really see the Tsarists giving Ukraine or Finland independence long term, and only doing so as a short-term solution to the civil war.
 
King Louis XIV had a dream, a dream of a prosperous french america. A dream of besting the British and becoming the primary colonial power in North America. In 1663 Louis XIV moved to increase the population of New France, starting with sending 1600 “King’s Daughter’s” to become the wives of French settlers. Not but two years had passed when he sent a total of 10000 French immigrants to the colony, an ambitious but successful maneuver which allowed the French to establish better control of the region. Further immigration continued, starting as a trickle and slowly transitioning into something much larger. Settlement of the colonies, while greatly increased, was difficult. The French were faced with almost incessant war during the colonial wars. While the French managed to hold on to much of New France, Acadia and Newfoundland would be lost in the aftermath of the War of the Spanish Succession. The British consolidated control over the newly gained territories, and attempted, but failed miserably to expel the Acadians not long before the Seven Years War as tensions increased.

The buildup of tension in Europe over Austrias attempt to recover Silesia from Prussia resulted in the brutal Seven Years War, which spilled into the colonies in the new world. At the start of the war New France had a population of 826 thousand settlers compared to Britians 2 million. And while the overall population enabled them to retain Louisiana after the war in the Treaty of Paris, they lost their canadian and carribean colonies to Britain and Spain.

Over the years following the war, Britain would attempt to consolidate it’s gains in canada while France would pump Louisiana with settlers. In the “Englishmen Decree” all Englishmen that had immigrated from the colonies into Louisiana were “encouraged” to move further west, into the region of Texas. Growing political differences in the thirteen colonies and a desire for independence in the francophone colonies culminated in the Revolutionary War. The 13 colonies formed a loose militia, and allied with the francophone colonies of Canada and Ontario to expel the British from their lands. After a brutal eight year war independence was secured, and the only continental territory still held by the British was northern Canada and the Ontario Colony. Certain privileges for Britain were given by Canada, allowing restricted movements through Canadian territory for a small fee. A series of minor wars and union referendums would follow, and the resulting nations were New England, Virginia, Carolina, Illinois, Atlantic Union, Canada, and the highly unstable Pennsylvania Union.

Britain expanded into western north america via the canadian passage secured after the Revolutionary War, often coming into conflict with the Spanish and Russians. They later would establish multiple small colonies, that being Oregon, the Plains Territory, and Albion. British Albion directly overlapped Spanish claims in the region, and would result in the Spanish-British wars, which resulted in a secure Albion territory and an independent Texas under British “guidance”. In early 1910 the British consolidated the west coast colonies and gave them dominion status under the name Oregon, while doing the same for Illinois and Ontario.

North American involvement in WW1 was relatively low, the local nations not involving themselves and only minor contribution by the British dominions.. The only real major political change was the cession of northern Canada to the Canadian Republic in the aftermath of WW1, and the declaration of independence by Ontario and Illinois and the union formed soon after between them and the various post-Pennsylvanian states.

On the other hand, north american involvement in WW2 was high, with Mexico joining the axis and invading Texas and Oregon. Carolina and New England sent troops and supplies to both the Mexican and European fronts, while Louisiana did it’s best to but ultimately didn’t succeed in staying out of it. Politics in North America post-war changed radically, with Louisiana opening up its borders to the world and various states being re-carved out of southern Mexico. WW2 was considered a “wake up call” by various nations, and both the NAL(North American League) and Francophone Community were founded shortly after to create better ties between member nations and mediate conflicts.

And after that long, barely coherent and badly put together write-up, here be the map for my timeline Colonie Conservée. (And the post on deviantart is here)
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This is a great looking map! The only problem is that with these kinds of changes, there's almost no chance of WW1 and especially WW2 happening the same way, with an Axis at war with Britain.
That's definitely something I kept in mind, but I fail to see any reason that a WW1 equivalent couldn't happen, and if it were to be at all similar to OTL I don't see why a second war couldn't happen.
 
Still, question still stands about the exact situation for Israel here. Is its not being a member like the others meaning it has more control over population movements?
Israel and the other holy sites are technically still member states of the USE, just with certain benefits and certain detractors. Anyways, when the USE was just starting out, it was decided that Mecca and the surrounding area would be granted special provisions due to there being a taboo on non-Muslims living in or presiding over the city. The other major religions (Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Judaism) all demanded similar treatment, and so a deal was struck to ensure the USE and various religious institutions around the world didn't mix. One of the provisions, stemming from the "Muslims only in Mecca" idea, was to allow these areas to control their populations based upon religious affiliation. So, while tourism is not in any way restricted, one is only allowed to live in Rome/Vatican City if they're Christian, Israel if they're Jewish (though, given that the area is a holy land for all Abrahamic faiths, exceptions can be granted here), or Mecca if they're Muslim. Mormonism isn't officially recognized as a branch of Christianity by other Jesus-lovin' sects, so they weren't allowed to stay in Rome and were relegated to northern Utah.

And what are all those dots in India for?
Those are some of the holy pilgrimage sites for Hindus and Buddhists, these being the most important places of the Hindu Holy Cities and the Eight Great Places.
 
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I think the map and scenario are great- my only nitpicks are color-wise, the German color is a little too similar to the Austrian one, I think a brighter red would do better- and brighter reds are more conventional for communist countries anyways. The Polish color is a little confusing as well, it looks to me like it's a British puppet or protectorate.

The only things I would question for the scenario are the strength of the independent Ukraine and Finland- Finland especially looks like it made off with a lot of territory, and I would think that by now (what with the revolution having ended and all) the Russians would have invaded at least one of said countries to reclaim the territory- I can't really see the Tsarists giving Ukraine or Finland independence long term, and only doing so as a short-term solution to the civil war.

I definitely see now what you mean about the colors. Ukraine and Poland do not have that much power, but its still something I'm fleshing out. Finland is actually a soviet republic that broke away from Russia shortly after its semi-autonomy. It was afforded its territory by a weak Russian Republic and remains in an unfriendly ceasefire. It is one of the few socialist countries remaining but more are appearing, like Germany.
 
King Louis XIV had a dream, a dream of a prosperous french america. A dream of besting the British and becoming the primary colonial power in North America. In 1663 Louis XIV moved to increase the population of New France, starting with sending 1600 “King’s Daughter’s” to become the wives of French settlers. Not but two years had passed when he sent a total of 10000 French immigrants to the colony, an ambitious but successful maneuver which allowed the French to establish better control of the region. Further immigration continued, starting as a trickle and slowly transitioning into something much larger. Settlement of the colonies, while greatly increased, was difficult. The French were faced with almost incessant war during the colonial wars. While the French managed to hold on to much of New France, Acadia and Newfoundland would be lost in the aftermath of the War of the Spanish Succession. The British consolidated control over the newly gained territories, and attempted, but failed miserably to expel the Acadians not long before the Seven Years War as tensions increased.

The buildup of tension in Europe over Austrias attempt to recover Silesia from Prussia resulted in the brutal Seven Years War, which spilled into the colonies in the new world. At the start of the war New France had a population of 826 thousand settlers compared to Britians 2 million. And while the overall population enabled them to retain Louisiana after the war in the Treaty of Paris, they lost their canadian and carribean colonies to Britain and Spain.

Over the years following the war, Britain would attempt to consolidate it’s gains in canada while France would pump Louisiana with settlers. In the “Englishmen Decree” all Englishmen that had immigrated from the colonies into Louisiana were “encouraged” to move further west, into the region of Texas. Growing political differences in the thirteen colonies and a desire for independence in the francophone colonies culminated in the Revolutionary War. The 13 colonies formed a loose militia, and allied with the francophone colonies of Canada and Ontario to expel the British from their lands. After a brutal eight year war independence was secured, and the only continental territory still held by the British was northern Canada and the Ontario Colony. Certain privileges for Britain were given by Canada, allowing restricted movements through Canadian territory for a small fee. A series of minor wars and union referendums would follow, and the resulting nations were New England, Virginia, Carolina, Illinois, Atlantic Union, Canada, and the highly unstable Pennsylvania Union.

Britain expanded into western north america via the canadian passage secured after the Revolutionary War, often coming into conflict with the Spanish and Russians. They later would establish multiple small colonies, that being Oregon, the Plains Territory, and Albion. British Albion directly overlapped Spanish claims in the region, and would result in the Spanish-British wars, which resulted in a secure Albion territory and an independent Texas under British “guidance”. In early 1910 the British consolidated the west coast colonies and gave them dominion status under the name Oregon, while doing the same for Illinois and Ontario.

North American involvement in WW1 was relatively low, the local nations not involving themselves and only minor contribution by the British dominions.. The only real major political change was the cession of northern Canada to the Canadian Republic in the aftermath of WW1, and the declaration of independence by Ontario and Illinois and the union formed soon after between them and the various post-Pennsylvanian states.

On the other hand, north american involvement in WW2 was high, with Mexico joining the axis and invading Texas and Oregon. Carolina and New England sent troops and supplies to both the Mexican and European fronts, while Louisiana did it’s best to but ultimately didn’t succeed in staying out of it. Politics in North America post-war changed radically, with Louisiana opening up its borders to the world and various states being re-carved out of southern Mexico. WW2 was considered a “wake up call” by various nations, and both the NAL(North American League) and Francophone Community were founded shortly after to create better ties between member nations and mediate conflicts.

And after that long, barely coherent and badly put together write-up, here be the map for my timeline Colonie Conservée. (And the post on deviantart is here)
colonie_conservee__north_america_in_the_year_2019_by_parloxus_ddjvf15-pre.png

Colonie-Conservee-North-America-in-the-year-2019-819438809
I think the map and scenario are great- I always like scenarios that consider the implications of a greater French presence in the Americas... My only real objection is that the names of a lot of cities would be different. Given the POD, I find particularly the names of cities in Texas to be improbable. About half those city names (honestly, probably more) came from during or after the Texas war of independence OTL, several of them being named after individuals (Dallas, Houston, to name a couple) that played a significant role in the war. Aside from that, an interesting scenario (though I think that there are more plausible POD's that might induce a flood of colonists to New France, such as increased religious unrest, rapid population growth in Europe, etc.- factors that contributed to the English having so many colonists).
 
Ahikto North, 1420
This is a map of 1420 ce in northern Ahikto. This was 9 years before the collapse of the Tasheen Dynasty of Pikland and the beginning of the decline for the Gliserine Empire. Currently, A power is rising out of Ujuakti. As fierce battles between Midgaurd and Piklandic states causes chaos for the Kingdom of Midgaurd.
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Ahikto North, 1420 CE during the start of the Piklandic civil war.

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Several New nations, and new templates for regions on their temperature. The current work on the 422 ce coloured map will start. The map was issued by a friend of mine, and finally, I got around to it. If you guys want later I can add colour and names to the map if need be.

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Created By Kento Kei Hayma
November 6th, 2019

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I have a question for y'all: which would you rather see for my next project, a detailed map of that Greater mexico I sent a bit ago (with cities and native autonomous areas) or a map of a Prussia-Oda type planet (aka a german-japanese army with a planet)?
 
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