Such a situation makes Germany more anti-French strengthening the Polish-French alliance. And it prevents German revanchists from rearming as quickly as in OTL.
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Such a situation makes Germany more anti-French strengthening the Polish-French alliance. And it prevents German revanchists from rearming as quickly as in OTL.
Oh right the Spanish (Habsburg) Monarchy and it's use of the Burgundian Cross. Forgot about that.
Plan Foch, in which Foch's proposition to detach the Rhineland as a separate state, to permanently weaken Germany and establish a buffer. This is all achieved at the Paris Peace Conferences via the Treaty of Versailles. This will serve as a crux of my Alternate Poland timeline.
I like this map very much! What do you think about using these as the borders of the Workers' Republic of Germany declared during World War II in our collaborative TL "Die Alte Welt hat überlebt" (see my signature)?
London whining about the Channel Coast.
Still... chucking the whole lot at the Grand Duchess of Luxembourg....
September 1931, often called the Boiling Point of Central Europe, the Great Spartacus Revolution, or, even, 2nd Spring of Nations. Many people in this year would witness the fall of the German Federation (Austria managed to gain more influence in Germany against the Prussians) which collapsed in on themselves due to the great suffrage & lack of political stability. The Prussians tried to launch an invasion into Austrian lands in efforts of regaining their previous territories but a Military coup was launched, eventually committing war crimes against the Polish populace & other minorities. With all of this turmoil, the Hungarians are still (for now) allied with the Hapsburg's. Romania has seen this terrible situation as a goldmine for Neo nationalist and Romanian fascist tendencies, but, will soon be squashed after the Greek entry in the war. They've conquered the entirety of Transylvania and Bulgaria, and, are now in a stalemate with the Serbian kingdom. The Worker's Western Government of Germany (WWGG) is the official holder of the Spartacus revolutions over Germany, eventually forming their own early state & capturing the majority of Austrian lands. Think Russian Civil War & Chinese Warlord Era mixed into two.
Had a dream that the British founded a colony known as "the Saintly Kingdom" in the Southern Cone of South America. It was radically protestant and sought to destroy Catholicism, making it effectively a Protestant Draka. Apparently it was founded as the sister colony to Australia, which itself was founded to compete with French Australia. I also recall the map of Australia being slightly different.
Could make a good map. Possibly the POD is a more persistent/radical Commonwealth England?
Could make a good map. Possibly the POD is a more persistent/radical Commonwealth England?
Have it ally with a hugenot Brazil (from France Antarctique) for double the trouble
Here's another map from Song of the Three Eagles, the Central Powers victory TL. This is mostly just to set the background for the future:
The Mai-Angriff (May Attack) of the Heer on the Western Front was key to the peace agreement reached in 1918. The collapse of the front was massively important to the Entente, as within three weeks of the attack the Germans were on the outskirts of Paris. What was even worse was that the French army was in mutiny, with revolt also possible, meaning that the Germans were in a position to take the capital of France. Therefore, the governments of the Entente immediately seeked peace negotiations.
When negotiations began in early June behind the scenes, the Central Powers had some high ground. The obvious advantage they had was in the West, with Paris almost under occupation. Of course, Germany did not actively seek to bring all these occupied territories under their fold, but they knew that it would be an extremely powerful bargaining chip, especially against France. The peace negotiations were mostly done in secret, but it was assumed that they had begun with the Allies in such a dire situation. This was confirmed with the Paris Armistice, signed on June 7th. The armistice was mostly handled by France, Germany and Britain, that soon urged their respective allies to follow it. For now, it mostly called for the end of fighting on the current frontlines, while diplomats from both sides were working hard to find final terms.
German diplomats initially sought to “compromise” by leaving areas in the west to the Allies in exchange for other gains, especially colonial. For example, Belgium, even though it was entirely under German occupation, was agreed to be left independent and not a protectorate in exchange for German annexation of the Belgian Congo. All former German colonies in Africa were also returned, as Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck was still on a rampage in Tanganyika and Mozambique which was also a bargaining chip. This allowed a connection between Kamerun and Ostafrika, a first step towards the ultimate German goals in Africa.
Additionally, Germany agreed to not pursue extensive annexations against France in exchange for “African colonial concessions”, which translated to handing over Gabon, the French Congo and Ubangi-Shari. While it was a big concession, the French government had no choice with the Germans near Paris. Now, Germany had a strong united colony from Kamerun to Tanganyika. Finally, the German delegation managed to pull off another maneuver: in the Pacific, German presence was non-existence, aside from a few hundred troops in Papua that refused to surrender. Britain was in the position to defend any of its colonies, but Germany put pressure on them by reminding them of France. A deal that would satisfy both sides was reached: Kaiser-Wilhelmsland, as well as all German Pacific Islands under Commonwealth occupation would be given to the Empire in exchange for a part of Northern Rhodesia. That part mostly corresponded to Barotseland, aside from a large strip of land near Botswana which still allowed the British to use the infrastructure there to effectively supply the rest of the colony. This, coupled with a border adjustment with Angola north of the Caprivi strip created a connection between Südwestafrika and the Congo.
After from the colonial affairs settled heavily in the Kaiserreich’s favor, the final borders in the Western front had to be decided. Big concessions like the independence of Belgium and no Channel ports had been made, but Germany still wanted some minor border adjustments. As expected, Luxembourg was annexed in its entirety. Belgium only lost an area in Arlon to the southeast, while France also lost a small area covering Longwy and Brie near the border. While on a map, it seemed quite minor, it was important for the Central Powers. The area had large iron and coal deposits, while before the war the industrial complex in Longwy was the 3rd largest producer of pig iron and 2nd largest producer of steel in Europe. Finally, a demilitarized zone running across the Belgian/French-German border would be created, and no troops would be allowed there.
As for Italy, they had also been defeated for the most part in the battles of the Alps in mid-1918 together with France. They wouldn’t suffer as much as other Entente members, only losing some territories in Veneto and ending all territorial ambitions against Austria-Hungary.
Agreements also had to be reached in the rest of Europe, where the Central Powers had achieved dominance, as well as the Middle East. In the Eastern Front, the Entente could accept nothing but accept the de facto situation: Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania and the United Baltic Duchy were recognized. The same went for Romania, which had fallen after fighting bravely for the Entente. In their case, the 1918 agreement between them and the Central Powers was recognized: Bulgaria took the entirety of Dobruja (although the mouth of Danube was in a special situation and was accessed by all Central Powers as well as Romania itself), and Romanian oil and grain were allowed to be given to Germany and Austria should they request it. In exchange, Bessarabia was united with Romania.
In the Balkans, things were also quite simple. With Serbia having fallen, Bulgaria would gain the areas promised to it in 1915, while the rest would remain a rump, sovereign state. While it wouldn’t become a Central Powers satellite, Serbia would have to pay massive war reparations and accept the terms of the original ultimatum of July 23, 1914. The ultimatum included the Serbian government ceasing support to any anti-Austro-Hungarian groups and any such rhetoric, and Austria would also send a diplomatic mission to ensure the “suppression of subversive movements”, as well as name a list civilians and commanders to be removed from office. Montenegro would also face large war reparations and Austrian meddling. The other Entente state in the region, Greece, only got a slap on the wrist as they hadn’t been defeated, and a small area up to the Struma river in Thrace was annexed to Bulgaria.
Finally, an agreement had to be reached regarding the Middle East. With the “Sick Man of Europe” still holding on with support from their allies, the end result was effectively a return to the status quo. Still, an unresolved issue was the Arab Revolt, as neither the Ottomans nor the Arabs wanted to make peace at this point. Therefore, this was not acknowledged in the treaty, with only vague promises by the Entente not to support any such groups within Ottoman territory.
In the end, all these informal and formal agreements would be summarised in the Treaty of the Hague, signed on the 28th of July, 1918. The treaty would shape the world for the years to come.
When negotiations began in early June behind the scenes, the Central Powers had some high ground. The obvious advantage they had was in the West, with Paris almost under occupation. Of course, Germany did not actively seek to bring all these occupied territories under their fold, but they knew that it would be an extremely powerful bargaining chip, especially against France. The peace negotiations were mostly done in secret, but it was assumed that they had begun with the Allies in such a dire situation. This was confirmed with the Paris Armistice, signed on June 7th. The armistice was mostly handled by France, Germany and Britain, that soon urged their respective allies to follow it. For now, it mostly called for the end of fighting on the current frontlines, while diplomats from both sides were working hard to find final terms.
German diplomats initially sought to “compromise” by leaving areas in the west to the Allies in exchange for other gains, especially colonial. For example, Belgium, even though it was entirely under German occupation, was agreed to be left independent and not a protectorate in exchange for German annexation of the Belgian Congo. All former German colonies in Africa were also returned, as Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck was still on a rampage in Tanganyika and Mozambique which was also a bargaining chip. This allowed a connection between Kamerun and Ostafrika, a first step towards the ultimate German goals in Africa.
Additionally, Germany agreed to not pursue extensive annexations against France in exchange for “African colonial concessions”, which translated to handing over Gabon, the French Congo and Ubangi-Shari. While it was a big concession, the French government had no choice with the Germans near Paris. Now, Germany had a strong united colony from Kamerun to Tanganyika. Finally, the German delegation managed to pull off another maneuver: in the Pacific, German presence was non-existence, aside from a few hundred troops in Papua that refused to surrender. Britain was in the position to defend any of its colonies, but Germany put pressure on them by reminding them of France. A deal that would satisfy both sides was reached: Kaiser-Wilhelmsland, as well as all German Pacific Islands under Commonwealth occupation would be given to the Empire in exchange for a part of Northern Rhodesia. That part mostly corresponded to Barotseland, aside from a large strip of land near Botswana which still allowed the British to use the infrastructure there to effectively supply the rest of the colony. This, coupled with a border adjustment with Angola north of the Caprivi strip created a connection between Südwestafrika and the Congo.
After from the colonial affairs settled heavily in the Kaiserreich’s favor, the final borders in the Western front had to be decided. Big concessions like the independence of Belgium and no Channel ports had been made, but Germany still wanted some minor border adjustments. As expected, Luxembourg was annexed in its entirety. Belgium only lost an area in Arlon to the southeast, while France also lost a small area covering Longwy and Brie near the border. While on a map, it seemed quite minor, it was important for the Central Powers. The area had large iron and coal deposits, while before the war the industrial complex in Longwy was the 3rd largest producer of pig iron and 2nd largest producer of steel in Europe. Finally, a demilitarized zone running across the Belgian/French-German border would be created, and no troops would be allowed there.
As for Italy, they had also been defeated for the most part in the battles of the Alps in mid-1918 together with France. They wouldn’t suffer as much as other Entente members, only losing some territories in Veneto and ending all territorial ambitions against Austria-Hungary.
Agreements also had to be reached in the rest of Europe, where the Central Powers had achieved dominance, as well as the Middle East. In the Eastern Front, the Entente could accept nothing but accept the de facto situation: Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania and the United Baltic Duchy were recognized. The same went for Romania, which had fallen after fighting bravely for the Entente. In their case, the 1918 agreement between them and the Central Powers was recognized: Bulgaria took the entirety of Dobruja (although the mouth of Danube was in a special situation and was accessed by all Central Powers as well as Romania itself), and Romanian oil and grain were allowed to be given to Germany and Austria should they request it. In exchange, Bessarabia was united with Romania.
In the Balkans, things were also quite simple. With Serbia having fallen, Bulgaria would gain the areas promised to it in 1915, while the rest would remain a rump, sovereign state. While it wouldn’t become a Central Powers satellite, Serbia would have to pay massive war reparations and accept the terms of the original ultimatum of July 23, 1914. The ultimatum included the Serbian government ceasing support to any anti-Austro-Hungarian groups and any such rhetoric, and Austria would also send a diplomatic mission to ensure the “suppression of subversive movements”, as well as name a list civilians and commanders to be removed from office. Montenegro would also face large war reparations and Austrian meddling. The other Entente state in the region, Greece, only got a slap on the wrist as they hadn’t been defeated, and a small area up to the Struma river in Thrace was annexed to Bulgaria.
Finally, an agreement had to be reached regarding the Middle East. With the “Sick Man of Europe” still holding on with support from their allies, the end result was effectively a return to the status quo. Still, an unresolved issue was the Arab Revolt, as neither the Ottomans nor the Arabs wanted to make peace at this point. Therefore, this was not acknowledged in the treaty, with only vague promises by the Entente not to support any such groups within Ottoman territory.
In the end, all these informal and formal agreements would be summarised in the Treaty of the Hague, signed on the 28th of July, 1918. The treaty would shape the world for the years to come.
The Friluian language doesn't quite count as Italian, more the nearby groups like the Ladins. Anyways, I would be far more concerned with how and why the British gave up so many overseas colonies. It is all a wank, as the Germans were in no position to win in the East, West, and Overseas. Doesn't matter how strong your soldiers are if you have no way of moving them.
@Thanosaekk a treaty between the Turks and Italians meant Thodes was supposed to be returned in 1912. Surely the Turks would gain at least those back
I used ArcGIS (ArcGIf?) Pro and then Photoshop. ArcGIS Pro gave me the terrain, basic placement of rivers and then I painted everything else in Photoshop.
In the lore he states that the Germans traded their Pacific territories for those bits of Rhodesia to connect Sudwestafrika with Mittelafrika. I think even this is unlikely but as you say it is a wank and so we can hardly expect it to be wholly realistic. I mean if the French surrender the Germans will likely sue for peace against Britain but in terms of overseas territory they have zero leverage. The most I can believe is a return to the status quo ante bellum in the colonies in exchange for a restoration of Belgium's independence/neutrality (since this is ostensibly why the British entered the war, they'll need this so it doesn't look like a loss at home). Even this I think would only apply to Africa - good luck convincing Japan to give up its colonies in the Pacific.
A little detail that is often ignored or misunderstood, the Ottoman Empire's capital should still be called Constantinople. But besides that I doubt Germany would gain anywhere in Africa, or for that matter maintain anywhere with British control of the sea, regardless of the truce in Europe.
Officially it was already called Istanbul after the Constitution of 1876, it just didn't enter common use in other countries until the 1930s.
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