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On 24 June 2016, an ASB decides to precisely duplicate the British Isles, all the infrastructure etc... with the sole exception of the people, who aren't duplicated but are instead split between the two copies.

Yes, simply yes. This is a timeline I would love to see.
 
I'm still working on my Wisconsin Civil War story after a few month long hiatus. I didn't realize that a new thread was up since I last updated my ASB Wisconsin Civil War story. Anyway here is my map showing prewar Socialist Wisconsin before the 2015 military coup. I will update my civil war stuff either this week or by next weekend. I've been busy with work.

Anyway I used a map I found online showing the rivers and lakes of Wisconsin and I just added the rest. It's on paint.net which is better than MS paint by a long shot. It's still not perfect because some of the rivers that was featured on the original map I found on google images was deleted when I changed the color of the map.

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A map I've worked up based on a fictional country I'm basing off a) the western Balkans, and b) Ruritania (the setting of the Prisoner of Zenda). Still working on the details before I open a full thread, but this is the first map I've put together that I've been content enough to post. Base is from the VTBAM map of Europe!
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Heim ins Reich

As the thirtieth anniversary of the establishment of the German Reich neared, Führer von Schirach ordered his bureaucrats to produce a number of memoranda to evaluate the success and progress of various Nazi policies. Most of these memoranda produced conclusions that were satisfactory to the Führer. Von Schirach was particularly pleased by the degree to which the German Nuclear Weapons program had accelerated production, and by the degree to which the Nazi state was able to maintain a trade surplus. However, the 56-year-old Führer was said to be visibly disappointed after reading the memorandum on the "status of the colonization of the eastern territories".

In 1941, Hans Frank (the first head of the General Government) had boasted to Führer Göring that "the valley of the Vistula will be as German as the valley of the Rhine within twenty years." Those twenty years had since come and gone, and the memorandum on colonization in the east made it clear to everyone in the Nazi government that the Lebensraum project had failed expectations miserably.

The formerly Polish territories that Nazi Germany had annexed in 1939 (Reichsgaue Danzig–Westpreußen and Wartheland, as well as minor additions to gaue Ostpreußen and Schlesien) had achieved a bare German majority by 1963, but the memorandum noted that this development was only possible because millions of Poles had been deported to the General Government territory, and noted that the majority of the German population in these territories were Volksdeutche (and their descendants) who had been relocated during the population exchanges organized with the Soviet Union and Bulgaria in 1940. The total population of these territories, which had been 9 million in 1939, was now only 3.5 million. Additionally, the bulk of the Germans population lived in cities, rather than in rural areas as had been hoped. Although many Volksdeutsche had been given farmland parcels, a very large percentage (the supermajority, in fact) of these intended farmers had abandoned their plots to relocate to the cities, and ownership of farmland had become concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer large-scale commercial farmers.

In the General Government proper (where the SS had taken charge of colonization), settlement efforts fared little better. While there were small successes in the Lublin-Pflugstadt District (where the rich black soil was of a higher quality than almost anywhere else in Germany), and in the vicinity of Krakau, even the fanatical SS had difficulties finding willing colonists to settle the east. Owing to the high mortality rate, particularly among the still-ghettoized Jews, the population of the General Government was roughly stagnant to where it had been in 1939 (about 11 million) despite the deportations of millions of Poles into the territory. However, the German population was only a paltry 5% of the total of the General Government.

Von Schirach came to the realization that a new policy in the East would be needed. First, the Führer issued a decree for German administrators in the General Government to find all of those deemed to be "racially valuable" so they could be assimilated into the German volk. Führer Göring had ordered a similar undertaking in Bohemia and Moravia back in the 1940s, but until this decree, the Nazi administrators in the East had presumed that the entire Polish population would be liquidated in time. Depending on the district and the administrator in charge, anywhere from 10-20% of the Poles were deemed "Aryan" and were assimilated as Germans. Given the hellish conditions in the General Government for non-Germans (between the forced labor, collective punishments, and barely adequate rations - to say nothing of the consequences for publicly defying the Nazi state), nearly every Pole offered the chance to assimilate did. There were a number of recorded cases where wealthy Polish individuals were able to bribe local Nazi officials for certificates of Aryan blood, and many Nazi hardliners presently allege that there presently exists a large "crypto-Polish" population in the East - but the Polish who were deemed "racially valuable" in the 1960s are today largely indistinguishable from other Germans.

Secondly, the Führer began organizing a population exchange that would rival the 1940 population exchanges (or indeed, any population exchange that had occurred up until this point): the complete repatriation of all of the Volksdeutsche living in Anti-Comintern pact states. Millions of ethnic Germans who had lived for centuries in what was presently Romania, Hungary, Croatia, and Slovakia were to be relocated into the newly created Reichsgaue Weichselland and Beskidenland (with the exception of Germans that lived on the German-Slovak and German-Hungarian border in places like Sopron and Bratislava, which were allowed to stay). While the ethnic Germans had generally been loyal and productive citizens, the Romanian, Hungarian, Croatian, and Slovakian governments all agreed to the transfer - believing that by removing the ethnic German population, they could protect against future German irredentism (despite the official stance of Führer von Schirach that the borders of Southeastern Europe were "to be set in place for a thousand years or more" - these governments were worried by the proclamations of many high up Nazi officials who laid claim to portions of their countries from time to time in speeches).

Finally, a few additional measures were imposed to curtail the non-valuable Polish population. Within the former General Government, a "one-child" policy was imposed on non-Germans, and a mechanism was introduced to allow some Polish to emigrate, to a select few nations friendly with Germany. Various tax incentives and subsidies were further introduced to encourage settlement into the former General Government.

Starting in 1964, and lasting nearly a decade, the "Heim ins Reich" policy of Führer von Schirach would see the demographics of the former General Government transformed as nearly 3.2 million ethnic Germans from Southeastern Europe relocated within the borders of the German Reich. These Germans would form the nucleus of a German community which has steadily grown while the total number of ethnic Polish has begun to decline. With ethnic Poles now no longer a majority within their former country, hopes among Polish nationalists for a restoration of an independent Poland seem to be growing fainter with each passing year. As such, Baldur von Schirach is a name which is cursed by Polish nationalists even more than that of Adolf Hitler or Hermann Göring.

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EDIT: Not that I'd think anyone would hold copyright anymore, but this map is heavily modeled off of a map produced by the "Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle" that depicts the settlement of Volksdeutsche in Wartheland.
 
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Interesting if dark scenario. What happened in WW2 that made the Nazis only stick to getting their pound of flesh in Poland and the former German Empire territories in Western Europe instead of spreading across Europe like they did historically?

The rough outline of this scenario is that the Dunkirk evacuation completely fails (the B.E.F. never makes it to the coast), which forces the UK into an armistice, and Hitler dies at the hands of an assassin in Paris so Goering is left to deal with the aftermath of the triumph.

Göring IOTL was rather unsure about invading Russia, so ITTL I imagine Barbarossa keeps getting delayed further and further as German intel about a re-arming Soviet Union keeps producing increasingly pessimistic projections about Germany's present ability to beat the Soviets. This continues until WMDs and MAD doctrine means it gets shelved indefinitely.

Looks like the Nazis were kinder to Romania ITTL. Weren't the Hungarians annoyed?

They were, but weren't in much of a position to do anything about it. As consequence, Yugoslavia got dismembered ITTL in large part because they (and the Italians) were hunting for territory. German actually didn't participate in the invasion outright - only occupying Styria and Carinthia to "protect ethnic Germans" which the Yugoslavians didn't resist because they had much bigger fish to fry.

I read a thesis paper about the Second Vienna award/dictate, and it was rather particular happenstance that the borders were drawn the way they were. Two proposals were put forward to Hitler, one which resembled the borders I posted (which was advocated by the Romanian ambassador), and another which looks more like OTL, only with a really narrow corridor between Hungary and Székely Land (drawn up by someone in the foreign ministry whose name escapes me). Romania favored the first of those two proposals (well, they didn't favor it at all, but the first proposal was much more acceptable to them) with a population exchange. Hungary thought both proposals were insufficient and didn't want a population exchange (they were initially demanding something more extensive than the OTL Second Vienna award/dictate, though not quite all of Transylvania). For some reason, neither of the proponents of each plan German draft plan were allowed to make their case to Hitler, who just decided to combine both plans (with a few tweaks) which gave us the OTL Second Vienna award.

Given Goering's friendship with the Prime Minister of Romania, I imagine the Second Vienna Award/dictate would be nowhere near as favorable to Hungary without Hitler at the helm.

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There are going to be many more maps from this scenario at some future date - but I presently have no idea how forgiving Law school will be to my free time, so I can't say when.
 
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The rough outline of this scenario is that the Dunkirk evacuation completely fails (the B.E.F. never makes it to the coast), which forces the UK into an armistice, and Hitler dies at the hands of an assassin in Paris so Goering is left to deal with the aftermath of the triumph.

Göring IOTL was rather unsure about invading Russia, so ITTL (where he succeeds Hitler in 1940), I imagine Barbarossa keeps getting delayed further and further as German intel about a re-arming Soviet Union keeps producing increasingly pessimistic projections about Germany's present ability to beat the Soviets. This continues until WMDs and MAD doctrine means it gets shelved indefinitely.



They were, but weren't in much of a position to do anything about it. As consequence, Yugoslavia got dismembered ITTL in large part because they (and the Italians) were hunting for territory. German actually didn't participate in the invasion outright - only occupying Styria and Carinthia to "protect ethnic Germans" which the Yugoslavians didn't resist because they had much bigger fish to fry.

I read a thesis paper about the Second Vienna award/dictate, and it was rather particular happenstance that the borders were drawn the way they were. Two proposals were put forward to Hitler, one which resembled the borders I posted (which was advocated by the Romanian ambassador), and another which looks more like OTL, only with a really narrow corridor between Hungary and Székely Land (drawn up by someone in the foreign ministry whose name escapes me). Romania favored the first of those two proposals (well, they didn't favor it at all, but the first proposal was much more acceptable to them) with a population exchange. Hungary thought both proposals were insufficient and didn't want a population exchange (they were initially demanding something more extensive than the OTL Second Vienna award/dictate, though not quite all of Transylvania). For some reason, neither of the proponents of each plan German draft plan were allowed to make their case to Hitler, who just decided to combine both plans (with a few tweaks) which gave us the OTL Second Vienna award.

Given Goering's friendship with the Prime Minister of Romania, I imagine the Second Vienna Award/dictate would be nowhere near as favorable to Hungary without Hitler at the helm.

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nY4Naka.png

There are going to be many more maps from this scenario at some future date - but I presently have no idea how forgiving Law school will be to my free time, so I can't say when.

If the major conflict that you reference lasts less than a year and seems largely restricted to Europe and the Mediterranean, without American involvement, would folks in the timeline really refer to it as World War II? Even something like “the Second Great War” might seem to overstate what happened.
 
If the major conflict that you reference lasts less than a year and seems largely restricted to Europe and the Mediterranean, without American involvement, would folks in the timeline really refer to it as World War II? Even something like “the Second Great War” might seem to overstate what happened.

Time Magazine used the term in 1939, and I'm 75% sure I read it in a copy of Life Magazine from April 1940, so I figure I'd keep it - even if its seemingly less significant than the first.
 
If the major conflict that you reference lasts less than a year and seems largely restricted to Europe and the Mediterranean, without American involvement, would folks in the timeline really refer to it as World War II? Even something like “the Second Great War” might seem to overstate what happened.

The Polish War, maybe?
 
Unhelpfully, in 1940 the most popular term for it simply seems to have been "the war"

I mean, I guess they all had bigger things to worry about than coming up with a name for the conflict, but come on
Since it appears to have lacked the scope of OTL's conflict, I would suggest the European War.
 
This would probably require an ASB, but:​

The Partitions of the United States of America

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Basically, order in the USA collapses somehow and the country is divided between other nations. China is kind of an exception, because rather than annexing its share of America directly, it just makes it into a satellite state - first the Republic of Hawaii and California, then the People's Union of California. The Second Partition had California joining in on the fun while Texas and Louisiana broke away. By the 3rd Partition, an American government has been rebuilt and managed to restore order to the territory it has left. Washington, D.C. is still part of the new Appalachian rump state, but the capital has been moved to Charleston, West Virginia and D.C. is now an Appalachian territory. It should be noted that not everyone in the various territories is happy about how the USA's been divided, and there are some conflicts over the new borders - for instance, disagreements between California and Russia over the Cascadian border, or between California and Mexico over the State of Las Vegas. Also, the grey borders within the USA reflect how territory was annexed by other powers, not any internal subdivisions, and borders outside the USA may have changed after America collapsed.​
 
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