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Darfur literally means "Home of the Fur", but since the Fur were the largest ethnic group there and much darker skinned than the Arab-Berbers that first established a sultanate in region, the word "Fur" came to locally being associated with black people in general.

Zarqah comes from "al-Sulṭanah al-Zarqā", which literally translates to "The Blue Sultanate", another name for the Funj Sultanate that held much of post-2011 Sudan from 1504 to 1821, but actually means "The Black Sultanate" due to the traditional Sudanese convention of referring to black people as blue.
Wow. I check the Wikipedia page on Dark Skin and the light on the Indian man's forehead does make the skin appear to be blue. Though given one of his sleeve, I am wondering if the film was altered or if there was something it might be reflecting off of. A lot of his white shirt has lilac on it. Also, I half think we should set up a thread on colors by culture. Not of skin colors so much as colors in general. I imagine knowing what people considered certain colors in the past would be... Not enlightening so much as interesting. Not that most of us have access to centuries old texts that might refer to such things.
Since wikipedia is being a brat about uploading pictures, I couldn't put this in a wikibox like I wanted. So heres my first draft of the Grand Duchy of Burgundy as it is in 1900 in plain map form.

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Considering how the Duchy of Luxembourg was upgraded to Grand Duchy after half its territory was sheared away, and how Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach tried to claim itself the title Grand Duchy of Saxony, I feel that this place would be at the Kingdom level. Elector at the least. William I of Hesse-Kassel (I believe) preferred that over Grand Duke, when he was refused the title for King of the Chatti in 1818. Perhaps understandable, as who knows what sort of claims would come with that. Perhaps if his son had went with the Prussian offer of going to war on the Prussian side against Austria later and annexing Hesse-Darmstadt there would have been yet one more kingdom. Back to your work, though. Who did these Burgundians break from? The French, the Germans...
 
@Clandango They broke away from France in the early 1500s with the help of Austria, with the condition they fully become a constituent of the HRE, and the duke would be made a sovereign king. This proved to actually detriment the duke of Burgundy (Charles the Bold's son at this point) since he couldn't become a king like he had hoped due to the golden bull of 1356 that said there could only be one king in the empire, Bohemia. So, to fulfill their deal, Maximilian I made him a Grand Duke, similar to how the Habsburgs were Archdukes.
 
@Clandango They broke away from France in the early 1500s with the help of Austria, with the condition they fully become a constituent of the HRE, and the duke would be made a sovereign king. This proved to actually detriment the duke of Burgundy (Charles the Bold's son at this point) since he couldn't become a king like he had hoped due to the golden bull of 1356 that said there could only be one king in the empire, Bohemia. So, to fulfill their deal, Maximilian I made him a Grand Duke, similar to how the Habsburgs were Archdukes.
I think King of the Germans and King of the Romans was sometimes used, but those were chosen by the Electors and Pope so probably didn't count anyways. I still feel the use of Electorate might be good, though Burgundy probably was more focused on keeping itself in one piece. I am interested to see what you do with the writeout, though I would like to see an expanded map at some point. Though given the complexity of borders, how the HRE was around for centuries, etc, I imagine doing anything outside of the borders of Burgundy would be difficult. I can imagine the leader trying the Prussian way of claiming kingship, but the treaty seems to have locked all the land into the HRE so they can't use that excuse of kingship outside the conglomeration. The English have any relation to all this? I can see them retaining the interest in Flanders they had for centuries, and if the entire area should be under one person and with one set of laws... Actually, looking it up Grand Duke came about in 1569 for Tuscany, so it would both new and respectable enough that it may be seen as worthy, especially given how the areas used to not actually be a united whole. Plus as the areas between the Rhone River and the modern Franco-Burgundian border had the official past Kingdom for Burgundy, I can see how a peace treaty would prevent the use of that title, lest it be seen as making a territorial claim. And my, I just keep writing, don't I?
 
I think King of the Germans and King of the Romans was sometimes used, but those were chosen by the Electors and Pope so probably didn't count anyways. I still feel the use of Electorate might be good, though Burgundy probably was more focused on keeping itself in one piece. I am interested to see what you do with the writeout, though I would like to see an expanded map at some point. Though given the complexity of borders, how the HRE was around for centuries, etc, I imagine doing anything outside of the borders of Burgundy would be difficult. I can imagine the leader trying the Prussian way of claiming kingship, but the treaty seems to have locked all the land into the HRE so they can't use that excuse of kingship outside the conglomeration. The English have any relation to all this? I can see them retaining the interest in Flanders they had for centuries, and if the entire area should be under one person and with one set of laws... Actually, looking it up Grand Duke came about in 1569 for Tuscany, so it would both new and respectable enough that it may be seen as worthy, especially given how the areas used to not actually be a united whole. Plus as the areas between the Rhone River and the modern Franco-Burgundian border had the official past Kingdom for Burgundy, I can see how a peace treaty would prevent the use of that title, lest it be seen as making a territorial claim. And my, I just keep writing, don't I?

King of the Romans and King of Germany didnt count because they were the titles held by the emperor. These borders are not exactly how they would be after their independence from France, as this point in time (1900 but I could be any other time because i dont know how long the TL will go) they have lost some territory. Nevers and Northern France to France, Vaud to Switzerland, and Nancy to somewhere in Germany (not sure yet, but it's ironic that they lose the city was sort of the catalyst for their rise) and of course, the Netherlands to... the Netherlands, in a revolt basically the same as the OTL one from spain. If you're still interested I'm going to post the TL soon, but in still fleshing out some earlier stuff (and just my luck theres a bunch of Burgundy related stuff on the forum right now, just as I want to post mine)
 
@Clandango They broke away from France in the early 1500s with the help of Austria, with the condition they fully become a constituent of the HRE, and the duke would be made a sovereign king. This proved to actually detriment the duke of Burgundy (Charles the Bold's son at this point) since he couldn't become a king like he had hoped due to the golden bull of 1356 that said there could only be one king in the empire, Bohemia. So, to fulfill their deal, Maximilian I made him a Grand Duke, similar to how the Habsburgs were Archdukes.

OTL, Fredrick III agreed to crown Charles the Bold of Burgundy as a king. This was based on the precedent of the historical Kingdom of Burgundy, which was technically not in the Empire. Compare the Duke of Brandenburg becoming King of Prussia.
 
OTL, Fredrick III agreed to crown Charles the Bold of Burgundy as a king. This was based on the precedent of the historical Kingdom of Burgundy, which was technically not in the Empire. Compare the Duke of Brandenburg becoming King of Prussia.

Elector/Margrave of Brandenburg became the King in Prussia, not the King of Prussia (until the end of the HRE). An important if subtle difference. But yes crowning Duke of Burgundy a king was a point in history, which could work since the Netherlands and the Free County of Burgundy aside, the Duchy of Burgundy proper was not inside the Empire. Btw didn't the Emperor change his mind about crowning the Duke of Burgundy at the very last moment? What was his reasons for that?
 
Elector/Margrave of Brandenburg became the King in Prussia, not the King of Prussia (until the end of the HRE). An important if subtle difference.
I do believe that the title "King in Prussia" was used to appease the Poles more than outdated (aka, pre-Treaty of Westphalia) Holy Roman Law. Poles still ruled quite a bit of Prussia and would feel threatened if someone started claiming to be King of Prussia (especially since they themselves claimed to be the Kings of Prussia until the 1740s)
 
OTL, Fredrick III agreed to crown Charles the Bold of Burgundy as a king. This was based on the precedent of the historical Kingdom of Burgundy, which was technically not in the Empire. Compare the Duke of Brandenburg becoming King of Prussia.
Yeah he almost crowned him a king, but he supposedly left the night before he was going to because he didn't like Charle's attitude. To be fair though Charles the Bold was very aggressive with his attempts to build a kingdom so it's not surprising. This TL however sees the sons of the two men come to an agreement, even if its not what was originally intended by Charles.
 
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Thinking about the alliance systems ITTL. Hopefully makes sense, will probably work on this again if it doesn't. Also just realized I need a Panama/Nicaragua Canal. Maybe rename Stockholm Pact to Kiev Pact or Vilnius Pact. Also the name Pakistan doesn't work, should rethink that. Also about the name of Hungary (in the first map's legend). I called it the "Lands of St Stephen" there to fit it, the actual full name is "the Holy Apostolic Republic of the Lands of the Crown of Saint Stephen".

@Gokbay - maybe change the colours for either the Commonwealth or the socialist states - it's a little hard to tell them apart.

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How does these new socialist colours look like? Hopefully this one works better.
 
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My current Idea of colonial Africa (after the British takeover of the Ottoman Empire). Not sure about Spanish Colonies and Sicilian Eritrea (might give them to France). Also might make that large French Sahara (that one north of Senegal, west of Niger) into a protectorate and not sure about the Egyptian Dominion (might turn Sudan to a colony and/or Egypt to a protectorate). Anyway enough work for me today. And I'm afraid it might be looking like I'm spamming.
 
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I absolutely love this way of presenting a timeline! I hope the indonesian war wasn't too destructive, i see tthat there is strong integration in North America, how's european integration? Also shit that's a thick poland, although it must have a lot of ukrainians...

Also yess cabinda is independant!!
 
mockup of a textbook page with a timeline of the Cold War and a little bit after it

There's good and bad, but I think probably better, on the whole. Depending on how bad the German and Polish Wars are, but they can't have been that bad since, you know, Europe still exists.
 
Crossposting from MOTF 200:

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The Tsonkoan outer region of Walchéren (瓦尔赫伦岛) celebrates its 200 years this year, so let's review a quick summary of its history.

The late Ming were relatively uninterested in trade with europe, and this sentiment also applied for the Ts’ing during K'angsi's rule, however during the first years of his successor's, Ioung-cheng, rule, the Tsonkoan army under the Bordered Yellow Banner was entirely defeated by the Dzungars in the Ts'inkhai, this setback made the emperor realize that the army needed better weapon, and so he decided, relunctantly, to widden the rules of trade with western merchants in Canton to import and study advanced firearms. This change would herald an era of increasing trade between the two worlds, slowly european craft, such as optics, would become more and more common among the Tsonkoan elite , the revocation of the Ex illa die by the Pope Clement XI would help the Church slowly but surely renew its influence in Tsonko, the Houpou's - the ministry of revenues - control over taxation was relaxed. All of this would make relations between Cantonese trade and European merchant better, illustrated by George Anson's warm welcome in the city during its circumnavigation.

Meanwhile in Europe, France's position as the dominant power was definitely confirmed after its decisive victory in the Six Year's War, Britain was broken, large part of its empire, and importantly its indian possessions, were taken away, and it would decline further after the Irish Rebellion. French merchant were now the main force in the Indian ocean, but the next target oversea for France's mercantilism was the central kingdom, where trade was still regulated, even if more lax. And so after a decisive victory against the Hapsburgs and the Dutch which allowed France to win the southern half of the Netherlands, the French king Louis XVI decided to send an ambitious embassy to Peking led by the seasoned diplomat Charles-Maurice de Tayllerand along with 3 ships full of gifts, the endeavour was carefully planned with the help of French Jesuits who had uncomparable knowledge of Tsonko. The Embassy would arrive in 1795 and Tayllerand would meet the Emperor K'ian-Loung, 84 years of age, who had managed to defeat the Dzungar and keep Tsonko stable, if needed through giving up his predecessor's land and tax reforms. Tayllerand would agreed to K'eou-T'eou , showing the utmost reverance to the emperor. During the Embassy various economic matters were discussed, but one of the backdrop events was the ongoing tensions between France and Russia, while at the same time Russian farmers and prospectors were more and more encroaching past the boundaries drawn by the Treaty of Nerchinsk, both countries agreed to start cooperating and communicate informations about Russia.
France's main goal was securing an exclusive trading post that would be better located than Canton's, which it eventually got on the island of Choushan, near the mouth of the Yang-Tse, the Emperor had however several request in exchange, one of the first was the adoption by western nations, assumed by the Emperor to be subvenient to France, of a single official name for the Middle Kingdom, French Jesuits eventually decided on the name "Tsonko", based on the pronunciation of 中國, the main request was for Tsonko to get a trading post in Europe, as a counterpart to the Choushan concession. This request would be hard to accept for Tayllerand, eventually after much discussion it was agreed to give the island of Walchéren, recently taken from the Dutch.

The treaty of friendship would officially be ratified in 1801, just before K'ian-Loung's death, and so the Tsonkoan history of Walchéren would begin. The truth is that the place was a backwater, subject to regular flooding and with little economic interest beyond Fishing and Oyster farming, most of the early Tsonkoan merchant and officials thought they had been deceived, as the place was much less impressive than the nearby Antwerp or Bruges, nevertheless they stuck around, as the opportunity of trading directly in europe was too attractive for a small part of the merchants. The Tsonkoan were a novelty for the local zeelanders, yet both group got along quickly. Tsonkoans brought back to the empire important knowledge of damming and irrigation, which would be invaluable in improving farming along the coast of Northern Tsonko, particularly in the quickly growing province of Chentong.

Eventually industrialisation spread across the Low Countries and the Rhineland, as most of these region were under French control, the Kingdom reaped the benefits and grew ever stronger to be the hegemon of Western Europe, but these new devices and methods interested Tsonkoans scholars, who brough them and the scientific method to Tsonko, the latter found particular echo in the relatively recent K'aocheng school of thought, which initially promoted evidential study of Confucian texts, and eventually grew into a true Tsonkoan interpretation of the Empirical Scientific method. This however would only slowly bear its fruit in the East, to the contrary of the Southern Low Countries, which saw very real change form the industrialisation, Wallonia had become one of the leading industrial center of the world, and the Rhineland was quickly growing to rival it, both industrial region's output would go through Zeeland, Brabant and Flanders to reach the ocean and international market, as a result these region also very quickly grew in importance, however this also attracted many French, whose number was quickly growing, soon entire neighborhood of Flemish cities would become french speaking, the situation for flemish wouldn't be made easier by the strong assimilationist policies of Paris which forbade the use of Dutch in schoo. In this situation the Extraterritorial status of Walchéren was particularly useful, and the growing city would become a haven for the various Dutch speakers of French, Dutch Language insitute would become nearly as common as Tsonkoan language ones, and French Dutch speaker would gain privilegied place among European traders (so that today Dutch is the third european language learned in Tsonko and nearly 2 millions Tsonkoan can trace partial or total dutch ancestry).

As its importance grew, Walchéren would become limited in land area, in 1901 as celebration of the centenary of the Island's Tsonkoan history, the French kingdom gave away the two islands of Bévelande to Walchéren, multiplying the concession's area more than Threefold. Upon the celebration the Emperor would also officially make Walchéren an Outer Region of Tsonko, overseen by a Tut'ong, a civilian leader. This would make civilian migration to Walchéren signficiantly easier. As population movement became ever easier so did missionary and proselytism, the Zeeland region was always a very devout Calvinist region, and so Walchéren became a center of Calvinist missions to Tsonko, these were highly succeful, so that today about 45 millions or nearly 3% of Tsonkoans are members of Reformed churches. The Reformed influence in trade with Tsonko also became an important lever in the various political action to bring full freedom of religion and acceptance of protestant in France.

By the first quarter of the 20th century Walchéren was a booming city, arguably the most cosmopolitan in europe after Constantinople, a plurality of its population was Han, and important canal work and port construction made it the largest port in the Rhine delta. Its prosperity wouldn't be uninterrupted as the Island saw fierce fighting during the World War, when the Birmingham-Moscow-Kyoto Axis declared war on both France and Tsonko, just as its counterpart in Choushan was devastated by Japonese attacks, Walcheren was hit by British Navy and Bombs, destroying dikes and submerging large part of the island and the region. The Franco-Tsonkoan alliance would prevail however, and afte the end of the war the Island and the rest of Zeeland was rebuilt, with impressive Rhine Delta works being started to improve defence in the case of another war, which thanksfully never came.

The war did leave a strong mark in the city, but it rebuilt larger than ever, Today Walchéren is without a doubt the First European port, but it faces new challenges, it arguably isn't as important as it used to be, as the world is increasingly multipolar, with Choushan being relegated as only a large Tsonkoan city among dozens other in the face of strong competition, some French start to wonder why Tsonko still reaps the benefits in Walcheren while France doesn't anymore in its eastern counterpart, the City also has a large corruption problem, as the last Tut'ong Françoise Tchou resigned after overhwelming accusations. Culturally the city is still however a very important bridge between the East and West, and it produced an extraordinary high number of Literary and Kinema classics, the old quarter, of mixed Zeelander-Tsonkoan inspiration is a protected world heritage place, as is the mixed race Walcherenois culture and food. As a result of the large recent growth that led to the island having 8 millions resident (with another 2 millions commuting workers), land reclamation projects are abunding in the city board's meeting room, and the Island is still the wealthiest and most dynamic non micro state in Western Europe, although harsh competition make it hard for the poorest to live in the city or afford housing.

Top: Special Edition Bicenternnary of the Franco-Tsonkoan Friendship
Below map: 1 inch = 2 leagues
"Index of localities"
"Table of distances and travel times"
"Road information"
"Road and tourism map"
 
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