Map Thread XIX
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Yeah, exactly. The line widths do correspond to winning percentage, but it doesn't mean very much, because not a single one of these races is fully contested by every party (common to all American legislatures, but particularly noticeable here because the average district population is 5,000).
I was also surprised to see Vermont using weird county-based district codes instead of numbers, like every other state. These are all abbreviations for names like "Chittenden 10-2", "Rutland-Bennington", "Orange-2", etc.
Why is there a Manhattan Project if the US is fascist? For that matter, how is the US fascist? How was conflict with Japan avoided? The aims of the US and Imperial Japan were completely at odds with one another, something that remains true whether or not the US went fascist. If Japan continued to build its empire in the Pacific (including the Philippines no less!) the US would still have embargoed oil to Japan which would have caused the Japanese war machine to grind to a screeching halt.
Alright everyone. I went to Ian's profile and asked him about the photo limit. He says that there is no limit as long as the thread is on topic.
Alright. So let's put it this way.
In 1936, the Silver Legion of America overthrows the US Government after a major Uprising against Washington. They managed to take over the country. Of course, William Dudley Pelley would like some power for them, so in cooperation with the Nazis, they made the atomic Bomb together.
As for Japan, your kinda right there. Japan and America were never really allies to begin with. Japan was just forced to work with Pelley because they are in the same alliance, and they fear that Germany, the most influential and leader of the Tripartite Pact would turn on them when they attack America. But don't worry, I will cover post war development as well.
We will see a mass Axis Cold War. Soon.
And now. The final update for today
Update for Late 1945
Change LogUpdate for Late 1945
Americas:
The Free American Empire establishes 3 puppets in South America: the Empire of Brazil, Argentinian Confederation and Gran Colombia
Asia:
India comes under full control of Chandra Bose and his Free Indian government, moving from Port Blair to New Delhi itself.
Africa:
A push into the Congolese Rainforest is stopped by the Allied Forces. The Germans, Vichy French and Italians prepares for a major offensive.
The Americans begin to send manpower, material and funding to the Axis in Africa. Americans are now present in the Afrika Korps.
Europe:
Germany begins to prepare for Operation Sea Lion, which was delayed for 5 years. The most bloodiest campaign of the German Reich is ready to launch for the next year.
The Silver Shirts, by the most generous estimates (their own) had 15,000 members at their height and never engaged in any substantial insurgent activity, many of which were almost certainly the equivalent of today's edgelords and had simply filled out the paperwork for the card. The organization crumbled almost as soon as the government took action against them. I don't see how they're supposed to bring down the United States government with such numbers.
Germany's nuclear program stalled due to Hitler's mistrust for "Jewish science" and Pelley leaned hard into the bizarre, spiritual side of fascism, meaning any government with him at the helm would almost be guaranteed to be hostile to any science that didn't adhere to the party line. Add in the fact that they would be receiving no assistance from Britain in developing a nuclear program, nor from the scientists escaping persecution at the hands of the Nazis in Europe, you're not going to have a nuclear America anywhere near as quickly as OTL, if at all within the 20th century. No Tube Alloys, no Manhattan Project.
Japan didn't listen to Germany and Germany didn't listen to Japan; their alliance was at all possible due to their being on opposite sides of the globe. Both powers saw the other as led by inferior races and fully intended to turn on the other as soon as their position was secure. They correctly expected as much from the other, so fear of German disapproval at Japan pursuing their war goals at America's expense wasn't really a factor for Japan. Japan's strategic goals in WWII demanded total domination of the Pacific.
I understand the scenario is meant to be ASB but ability to exert power in the Pacific was (and is) sort of an extension of Manifest Destiny and as such, very important to American imperial pride. If the US armed forces are in such disarray as to be completely incapable of preventing a foreign power such as Japan from outright conquering and integrating their Pacific territories, it can be expected that they're also incapable of not only surviving but winning a two-front war with the British Empire and all of Latin America.
But there will be a Cold War afterwards. It may solve all these problems.
Here's another new entry for the RDNA-verse, though this time going back to basics in a sense. As this covers the "Crown Protectorates" and New Austria's Sphere in general. The link can be found here. This is technically a repost, as there were a few errors that some have pointed out, prompting immediate corrections.
Although they've always been present from the very beginning, with Kuba and the Vatican-in-Exile having been significantly expounded on, it hasn't really been explained or explored in its entirety. While this vagueness has made it easier both conceive proper backstories and lore of these regions, (and in the case of Senegal-Lazarie, a chance to retcon and explain why New Austria has some presence in Africa), it's also been an opportunity to really look further into how the even smaller components of the setting would play out, even away from the grander scope of certain elements.
Similarly with the previous "Long Cold War"-themed entries, I incorporated some of the sleek interfaces and customized stylings of the Thousand Week Reich and The New Order mods for Hearts of Iron IV to give that in-universe "vidscreen" aesthetic, which do a good job in capturing the right atmosphere. Whether it's from (and intended for) the people behind An Examination of Extra-Universal Systems of Government or the Agency, to say nothing of the return of the "N-P Identity" note which may or may not be shorthand for "Nation-Personification"...I'll leave that up for the viewer to decide.
Although they've always been present from the very beginning, with Kuba and the Vatican-in-Exile having been significantly expounded on, it hasn't really been explained or explored in its entirety. While this vagueness has made it easier both conceive proper backstories and lore of these regions, (and in the case of Senegal-Lazarie, a chance to retcon and explain why New Austria has some presence in Africa), it's also been an opportunity to really look further into how the even smaller components of the setting would play out, even away from the grander scope of certain elements.
Similarly with the previous "Long Cold War"-themed entries, I incorporated some of the sleek interfaces and customized stylings of the Thousand Week Reich and The New Order mods for Hearts of Iron IV to give that in-universe "vidscreen" aesthetic, which do a good job in capturing the right atmosphere. Whether it's from (and intended for) the people behind An Examination of Extra-Universal Systems of Government or the Agency, to say nothing of the return of the "N-P Identity" note which may or may not be shorthand for "Nation-Personification"...I'll leave that up for the viewer to decide.
Just to be on the safe side, this is a work of fiction. This is not a political or ideological screed. Depiction is not endorsement, and all.
All the same, hope you enjoy. Viribus Unitis.
EDIT: Made some last-minute edits on the map itself. Apologies!
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The Crown Protectorates and New Austria's Sphere: A General Overview
The Royal Dominion of New Austria's sphere of influence, echoing the old Austro-Hungarian Crownlands, has had myriad monikers for its various components. Indeed, there's no formal, overarching name for the system in the same manner as the British Imperial Commonwealth, with the closest approximate being the lands under the Habsburg Throne-in-Exile. Many in the country and other royalist realms tend refer to the entirety as simply "New Austria's Sphere" (or alternatively the Reichsbund). Americans and Gran Patagonians, meanwhile, view much, if not all of it as a continuation of feudal vassalage and borderlands by other means. Thus ironically, they are more often than not perceived by republican societies as "Marklands" and "Fiefs" subservient to their masters and uncaring nobles. The reality, however, is infinitely more complex.
The most easily distinguished elements would be the lands actually considered part of New Austria, yet apart from it. The Duchy of Kuba, for instance, is still considered part of the realm. The Habsburgs remain its sovereigns, the ruling Montalban y Bergener line has served as both Dukes and hereditary Governor-Generals, and Kubaner politicians and nobility have special seats in the Reichstag, while its economy is very intertwined with the mainland. Nonetheless, barring provisions laid out in the Carriedo Compromise of 1934, the "Autonomous Realm" (as it's officially known) has otherwise been left to run its own affairs and even maintains its own parliament. There's also the Semi-Autonomous Enclave of Mariazell-am-Meer, which serves as the de facto capital of the Vatican-in-Exile. Despite its formal terminology and being originally intended to be a temporary measure (rendered "indefinite" following the 1938 Papal Concordat), this seemingly small territory enjoy similarly high degrees of self-rule, hosting its own legislature, armed forces (the famed Guardia Pontificia or Päpstlichegarde) and enacting the Holy See's laws. Nonetheless, there's little doubt that the Papacy's domains are still, at least on paper, New Austrian soil.
The confusion, ambiguity and less flattering terms, however, truly arise when it comes to the so-called Crown Protectorates. These territories, bound by both treaties and seemingly archaic oaths of fealty, are not considered part of the realm itself, nor do they have formal representation at the Reichstag in New Vienna. That fact alone, in addition to their mutual status, is also about all that they, at least superficially, have in common. Their apparent likeness to the feudal domains of old are further compounded by historical precedent. Over New Austria's evolution as a country, the frontier fiefs and margraviates away from the colonial centre functioned in a similar manner, although these fully done away with by the 1874 Reforms that formalized the present Provinces. Looks, as the saying goes, can be misleading, for only by understading each of these domains can one learn the truth.
The oldest and arguably most loyal is the Free Island of Hispaniola, which takes pride in being much more "authentic" in its Spanish heritage compared to Kubaners and Mittelamerikaners. As the Capitancy General of Santo Domingo, it became Spain's last significant colony in the Caribbean with the loss of what had been the Governorate of Cuba in 1726, and eventually its last remaining possession in the New World. Towards the end of the 19th Century, clamor for greater autonomy had given way to calls for independence not unlike those seen previously across South America. As uprisings grew in frequency and severity, a disgruntled officer by the name of Felipe Vásquez led a delegation of like-minded nobles and reformists to New Vienna in 1904. In exchange for support, the newly fledged state would recognize Habsburg sovereignty, but otherwise be free to run itself in whatever way is deemed fit by its people. Some, then and now, contest that political concerns in deterring both republican elements among the opposition and American expansion into the region played a more crucial role. Nonetheless, after a brief period armed struggle and diplomatic maneuvering (with Austro-Hungarian backing), the island broke away in 1906 and became New Austria's first Crown Protectorate. This has held up to this day, with Hispaniolans (or Españolanos) benefiting significantly from their benefactors, even holding firm through the worst of the Upheaval to become a exemplar of Royalist patronage. Although the American Federation still entertains the notion of wrestling influence away from the existing order, such ideas have gained little traction or popularity among the locals.
Then, there's the Free Territories of Mittelamerika, simultaneously seen as the most crucial and volatile of the three. The Spanish Crown retained control over much of what was then called the Capitancy General of San Salvador, but the domain never gained the same degree of prominence or success seen with Panama and the colonies even further south. By the mid-17th Century, what had become a relative backwater became contested with pirates and adventurers from myriad German states hoping to seek their own fortunes, ultimately leading to Prussian control over the region. While the Spanish and German-speaking communities that made up the nascent Mittelamerikaner (or Centroamericano) people enjoyed growing prosperity under Hohenzollern rule, the Terror revealed societal and class tensions that lurked beneath the surface. Fearing widespread collapse, legitimists like Emiliano Diaz and Rupert von Salldorf appealed their northern neighbor's aid and protection, citing generations of trade and peaceful co-existence. Despite the ongoing chaos of the Upheaval, however, New Austria readily obliged, seeing mutual interest in denying the Collectivists any further footholds in the New World, especially in light of the fall of Panama (now Amcoltermini in ColStandard). The consequences of that intervention endure even now. As a result of concessions since the Mittelamerika's entry in 1924, and support given to both domestic military forces and mercenary companies (in an echo of the old Holy Roman Empire), myriad outposts keep vigil over one of the most heavily militarized hinterlands in the world. Constant efforts are also made to root out Internationale-backed cells and militias, including the "Contrastado" successors of a rebellious nobleman named Augusto Sandino. Nonetheless, the country has held firm and seen a semblance of normalcy despite the trials.
The newest and most eccentric, though, would be the Free State of Senegal-Lazarie, as unlike the others, it's not even in the New World at all, nor any prior history with the Habsburgs. The aristocratic de Lambertyes, whose members had also served with what is now called the Sovereign Knights of Malta, came to assume power over the Kingdom of France's colonization efforts in that corner of Africa. The abolition of slavery in 1773, influx of Frenchmen through various incentives, and the noble house's personal efforts to foster development all contributed to the burgeoning colony being granted "Royal Outremer" privileges in 1880. The onset of the Terror in Europe, though, forced then-Governor Martin de Lambertye to declare independence in 1925, soon being proclaimed Vicomte de Lazarie (invoking Biblical symbolism for one day resurrecting the old homeland). His attempts to placate both the Black African majority and colonial populace led unwittingly to a coup staged by the radical Action Europa, in which the ruling house was killed under mysterious circumstances. The regime was not unlike the infamous Free State of Equatoria, in which most were subservient to those of "true" European lineage, who alone had the right to citizenship, all in the name of "preserving France." This eventually broke down into civil war by 1968, as various factions (many backed by either Collectivists or Reactionaries) vied for power. As various Free Nations sought to support anyone opposed to either ideological camp, the Throne-in-Exile chose to lend arms and reinforcements to Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, who led what remained of the pre-Reactionary order. While some at the time expected the republican forces (largely backed by the United African States) or the regime remnants (endorsed by Southern Africa) to triumph, the aging refugee proved far more capable than anyone expected. With victory declared in 1977, the liberated country, under its current name, had become part of New Austria's Sphere in all but name, which was formalized the following year. While minor disturbances continue to persist with Collectivist holdouts, most (including the current Vicomte) remain content with their allies, which is likely to persist for the foreseeable future.
Over the decades, all three territories have become host to various bases and outposts, whether under direct and indirect control of the Reichswehr-Honvédség or that of the Evidenzbureau's operatives. Their economic, industrial and military contributions to their benefactors have also grown, ostensibly to better confront the Internationale. At the same time, however, they are neither serfs nor glorified puppets, as least as far as most New Austrians are concerned. The protectorates themselves are largely left to their own devices, with the "Chief Commissioners" acting much more as advisors than governors. Whether they were Hispaniolan, Mittelamerikaner or from Senegal-Lazarie, they were given preferential treatment by the realm (with Kuba and Mariazell-am-Meer also serving as vital partners), but were also recognized as independent states (albeit largely recognized only by other royalists) with their own respective embassies and delegates. While the aid provided by those very same benefactors have not only fostered general prosperity and security, but also engendered a sense of loyalty that has been dismissed by republicans as "vassalage."
As a consequence of all these, it is little wonder why New Austria's Sphere has persevered for so long, despite various difficulties.
- “Atlas Sans Frontieres: The Gaspereau-Thomson Guide to the New World.” Loyalist Canada. 2023.
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For added trivia, the coat of arms seen in the Kuban flag isthe historical one for Havana before independence from Spain, while said flag's design is a combination of the Habsburg yellow with pre-independence Cuban flags from the 19th Century. The Kubaner Duke is also based on Juan José de Arteaga de Herrera, who in real life was the third Marquis of Havana, whose family were elevated into nobility before Cuba's independence.
The portrait for the Pope is that of Pope Paul VI, who in real life was canonized as a Catholic Saint in 2018. While the overall nature of New Austria's Sphere is derived from the at times byzantine nature of how the Habsburgs historically governed, whether in the Holy Roman Empire or later on through Austria-Hungary. As an added aside, the emblem used for the Evidenzbureau is based on the seal of the actual Austro-Hungarian organization.
The flag used for Hispaniola is a combination of the old colonial banner flown by the Capitancy General of the Santo Domingo, and the deep blue color in the Dominican Republic's current flag. While the coat of arms used is that of Santo Domingo itself. San Marco, coincidentally, is where Saint-Marc, Haiti would be in OTL.
The Mittelamerikaner/Centroamerikano flag, and its general organization, are a combination of the Federal Republic of Central America and Germany, with a particular emphasis on the designs used by Nicaragua and Honduras. Blauefeld, the capital of Miskitoland, is also a Germanized reference to Bluefields, which served as the center of the British Mosquito Coast for a time in reality. While the "Contrastados" are an ironic blend of both the Contras and Sandinistas.
Senegal-Lazarie is a peculiar blend, and not just for being a nod to Thousand Week Reich. On top of its flag being based on the French India Company, the actual Senegalese one, and the deep blue of the Royalist French banner, the coat of arms are a modified version of Senegal's actual heraldry (designed by a Frenchwoman). It's history, however, combines colonial French West Africa, the Belgian Congo, the story of Rhodesia, and even the Angolan Civil War, with New Austria taking the place of Cuba. The present state of that country in-universe could be described as a royalist take on Zimbabwe Rhodesia.
And yes, the first Vicomte de Saint-Exupéry mentioned is the same Antoine who in real life, wrote The Little Prince.
The portrait for the Pope is that of Pope Paul VI, who in real life was canonized as a Catholic Saint in 2018. While the overall nature of New Austria's Sphere is derived from the at times byzantine nature of how the Habsburgs historically governed, whether in the Holy Roman Empire or later on through Austria-Hungary. As an added aside, the emblem used for the Evidenzbureau is based on the seal of the actual Austro-Hungarian organization.
The flag used for Hispaniola is a combination of the old colonial banner flown by the Capitancy General of the Santo Domingo, and the deep blue color in the Dominican Republic's current flag. While the coat of arms used is that of Santo Domingo itself. San Marco, coincidentally, is where Saint-Marc, Haiti would be in OTL.
The Mittelamerikaner/Centroamerikano flag, and its general organization, are a combination of the Federal Republic of Central America and Germany, with a particular emphasis on the designs used by Nicaragua and Honduras. Blauefeld, the capital of Miskitoland, is also a Germanized reference to Bluefields, which served as the center of the British Mosquito Coast for a time in reality. While the "Contrastados" are an ironic blend of both the Contras and Sandinistas.
Senegal-Lazarie is a peculiar blend, and not just for being a nod to Thousand Week Reich. On top of its flag being based on the French India Company, the actual Senegalese one, and the deep blue of the Royalist French banner, the coat of arms are a modified version of Senegal's actual heraldry (designed by a Frenchwoman). It's history, however, combines colonial French West Africa, the Belgian Congo, the story of Rhodesia, and even the Angolan Civil War, with New Austria taking the place of Cuba. The present state of that country in-universe could be described as a royalist take on Zimbabwe Rhodesia.
And yes, the first Vicomte de Saint-Exupéry mentioned is the same Antoine who in real life, wrote The Little Prince.
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The main point of @Bleh argument is that your entire idea is implausible because America could not go Fascist not through a coup or an election so all the underlying problem is not that the Axis could not develop nuclear bombs but that the United States of America couldn't go Fascist at all.
I'm not arguing with @Bleh. I merely understand. But this is like a what if scene. Just imagine as much as you can.
But yeah, it's very implausible.
Jap is a derogatory term, it's widely understood as a racial slur, but you should probably know that
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Yeah, seen that word pop up a couple times in this whole discussion, maybe avoid slurs yeah?
@United States of America Its great you're enthusiastic, but try to think through your scenario a little bit as you make it and before you post. Not only does the map usually turn out better, even more interesting ideas can develop within constraints.
@United States of America Its great you're enthusiastic, but try to think through your scenario a little bit as you make it and before you post. Not only does the map usually turn out better, even more interesting ideas can develop within constraints.
Oh, I remember that slur now. I've seen countless people using it. It appears often.
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