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how does one make a flag map like this?

Also if you have both the map and the flag available as SVG (scalable vector graphics) files, then you can use Inkscape to lay them ontop of each other and then there's a function to only show the overlap between the two objects, namely the country outline and the flag, though getting a good SVG version of the country outline in the case of alternate borders takes some effort of course.
 
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The planet Phoenix located in Alpha-Centauri and is known as Proxima Centauri B today. The first Human would colonize the planet sometime in the 2070s. By the 2400s, The nations of the earth had colonized the entirety of the planet, Eventually, the colonies begin breaking off from earth establishing their own states. With the earth facing Overpopulation and environmental crisis, Mass immigration occurs and soon the population passes 6 Billion. By 3677, Many states have been established as earth has lost most of its influence on the planet.
 
A sequel to this:
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Basically a WW2 ATL (or post WW2? Well the change from main TL is TTL's WW2 at any rate) from my "The Kaiser, the Tsar, and a Springtime Revolution". One of three scenarios I had about that TLs WW2 going differently. This shows the Anglo-Britannic and Anglo-Indian wars ending with British (Anglo) victory, which leads to US and Mexico later defeating Socialist Central America and there being no intervention to save Socialist Uruguay and Paraguay from Argentina. Allied Powers of Germany, Russia and Italy were defeated by the Latin Entente (only thing that makes that name inaccurate is South Slavia and later Finland). This is the immediate post war world where decolonization could not happen yet. Now getting to notes:
1: French State is victorious, that much is certain. And as such a scion of House of Orleans now sits in Paris. Jean, Duke of Guise might not have been crowned but now that Germany and Russia have been defeated Regent Charles Maurras has finally managed to get the Count of Paris to be crowned Henri VI, King of the French.
2: The House of Lords, the Legitimate House of Commons (now no longer in exile), and King Edward are all in a very celebratory mood now that Union of Britannic Syndicalist Commonwealths is defeated. Otherwise rebuilding continues. The Kaiser and the Tsar might have been their enemies but they were still family to the house of Windsor. Also an Orleans might be reigning in Paris but His Majesty's Government finds it hard to not see Napoleon and his continental system. Safe to say the Foreign Office is working hard to gather allies so that France's domination of the continent will not last.
3: Unsurprisingly, France did not let Germany stay united. But with Action Française in power they are still monarchies. Dutch, Saxon, Bavarian and Liechtenstein monarchies remain, While in Brandenburg Wilhelm III had to abdicate but Hohenzollerns kept the throne. House of Hanover is pretty thankful for their "Westphalia" while in Bohemia the Romanov king has been replaced by a Czech aristocrat.
4: In Italy France has tolerated 3 Republics however (Switzerland also remains a republic). House of Savoy also got to keep Piedmont. Italy also shows some of the gifts Spain has gained. Naples is a Spanish puppet under House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies.
5: Neutrality in both World Wars has helped the Ottoman Empire much. The House of Osman now reigns over an Empire that rivals France and Britain in strength. Its late declaration of war on Russia was an opportunistic move to secure Caucasia and "liberate" Turkestan. The Sultan-Caliph has invited the King-Emperor and the Tenno (with their Prime Ministers) to hash out a treaty that will make the anti "Latin" Entente alliance that is tentatively called London-Constantinople-Tokyo Axis (shame that League of Three Emperors had already been used).
6: Russian Republic or West Russia. Eastern Europe is weirdly republican when you consider that they are satellites of the Actionist France. New government in Petrograd is appropriately Religious, Nationalistic and Anti-Semitic for Paris' tastes however.
7: Indian Republic invading the remnants of the Raj during their war with UBSC was first seen as bad in Ottawa. But they managed to defeat them and restore the Raj to how it used to be, so London is fine with it. That war would eventually happen so it is all well that it was handled sooner.
8: China can be considered the beating hearth of socialism. How long that hearth will continue to beat is debatable however.
9: France gave Spain a few more prizes in the form of colonies. Regent Francisco Franco was forced to crown the Legitimist Pretender to France (under the name Henry VI) and (unpopular among Carlists, who had fractured in 1936) Carlist claimant to Spain, Jaime Bourbon as King of Spain. This was mostly Maurras throwing a bone at the Legitimists. Like Maurras, Franco did not cede any power to the newly crowned King.
10: The Empire had to give most of Africa, Ceylon and Burma dominion status to keep them without rebellions. The areas reclaimed from UBSC are not going to get that status as long as His Majesty's Government can help it.
11: A Romanov reigns in Vladivostok. The Tsar and his ministers often ponder about whether losing European Russia or becoming a puppet to Japan of all nations is more embarrassing.
12: Mexico is quite happy with their alliance with the US and their gains from the war against socialists. "The Perfect Dictatorship" is quite content with its circumstances. Some consider abandoning US to join up with the Entente however. (The fact that this might lead to US joining with Britain-Ottomans-Japan is mostly ignored)
13: Argentina is quite close with UK and will likely remain so. the, Entente member, Integralist Estado Novo Brazil is a much bigger issue than Malvinas after all.
14 (not on map): Nuclear Weapon hasn't been invented yet but France, Brazil, Britain, Japan and Ottoman Empire all have programs at various levels of advancement.

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Asterisks denote nations with Nuclear Weapons. Otherwise things not shown on map are both Russias working towards making their own nuclear weapons along with Spain. Mexico is also interested but does not feel the need to possess nuclear weapons yet. (Also the Axis of Three Emperors is no longer an accurate name with the end of the Indian Empire. The British Title is King in every dominion and the UK)

Edit: Just realized that I forgot to put Argentina in the AoN/Axis.
Edit: also forgot to say this map is set in 1964.
 
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KapiTod

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Okay I initially planned to do much more for this, but it's proving to be much more difficult than originally anticipated and since I've got a lot on my plate, so you'll get what you're given.

Following the Pabodie Expeditions unfortunate demise and the recovery of specimens of an as yet undiscovered race of intelligent beings by the Forsythe Expedition in 1932 the world of archeology was rather turned on its head (so was everyone else of course but the boffins were particularly shook). Not only were humans not the most intelligent species in the history of the Earth (not even in the top 10) but it also turned out that we'd been muddling along with this "civilization" thing for quite a lot longer than anyone had initially thought..

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Inspired by a discussion thread about "natural" borders: here are my personal interpretations of what such borders ought to look like for Germany, Austria, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. Note that these proposals are not aimed at creating countries that would magically have a homogeneous population. In fact, there are cases where parts of the national populace are left outside the borders. The goal here is to depict borders that would create the most territorially cohesive, defensible countries. There are situations in OTL where I believe certain countries actually hold more land than would be ideal for that purpose.

(To be clear: this is a thought exercise, not a scenario.)

I wouldn't mind seeing this for, well, a lot of countries.
 
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Well this may be the last time I am writing in this, it seem's we...finally have done it, the current year is 1979 and we have mostly pushed out the cybermen from most places they have occupied and are currently planning an all out offensive against Cyber forces in occupied territories. It seem's the Cybermens time on Earth is at an end.

But I should inform you where we left off. I actually was chosen as one of the members of the elite band to strike at Mondas and kill the Cyber controller. We landed in a large metal corridor and exited the Doctors blue police box, he offered us all Jelly babies. Several of the British soldiers took it, I declined, we then heard metal stomping, Cybermen. We quickly gunned down the guards and made our way deeper into the facility.

As we made our way deeper into the facility, we passed sealed chambers, with the cyber logo put above each and everyone. We didn't know what these were and didn't want to investigate. So we moved deeper taking out any Cybermen in our way, we walked through the facility what felt like day's marching trying to find where the controller could be.

Well we eventually did find him, we accidentally stumbled into a control room. Their it stood, at least eight feet tall, a massive dome sitting upon his head, its brain vibrant and shimmering as it stared at us. it was the most advanced model of cyberman we've seen yet, it resembled a mixture of the second model and the third. It stared at us, we raised our rifles and it let out a horrifying paralyzing shriek from its voice box, causing all of us to drop to the ground.

It hovered over us, its "breathing." was heavy as it approached me and the Doctor. The Doctor slowly pulled out a golden jelly baby wrapper from his bocket and handed to me and whispered. "Shove it in his chest." The Cyber Controller approached. "You will be like us." it muttered as it reached for me, I slowly raised my arm and shoved the gold wrapping into its chest uniting rubbing it in. The Cyber controller froze and started to stumble, choking and coughing, it even threw up a little from its mouth as its legs crumbled and its head smashed against the ground, its dome cracking.

We all slowly stood. One of the other commandos approached the Cyber controller slowly, we yelled at him to stay away from it, but he couldn't help himself as he grabbed ahold of its head and pried open the face the plate with a knife, revealing a feminine face under neath. We were all in shock, as the commando slowly stood and did a prayer motion and we departed in haste back to the tardis, with cybermen chasing us.

We returned to the Tardis and returned home, already we got word of Cyber forces collapsing on the field of battle, in the hundreds of thousands, allowing us to finally began the great counter offensive to reclaim land lost to the cybermen, but seeing the cyber controllers face reminded me that...the Cybermen, no matter if they were mondasian or converted on earth were all once human, and they all deserve the right to be judged by our father in heaven.
 
Okay I initially planned to do much more for this, but it's proving to be much more difficult than originally anticipated and since I've got a lot on my plate, so you'll get what you're given.

Following the Pabodie Expeditions unfortunate demise and the recovery of specimens of an as yet undiscovered race of intelligent beings by the Forsythe Expedition in 1932 the world of archeology was rather turned on its head (so was everyone else of course but the boffins were particularly shook). Not only were humans not the most intelligent species in the history of the Earth (not even in the top 10) but it also turned out that we'd been muddling along with this "civilization" thing for quite a lot longer than anyone had initially thought..

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I like to imagine that the lord of the rings is real as well, in this world. Also, who were the new races that man discovered, elves?
 
Crossposting from my Union of American Realms thread
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Aside from being divided into five distinct government structures, the realms also differ in how their chief executives are selected. The most common method is by a direct vote by the people, which is the selection method employed by 14 of the realms (almost all of these being Governates). 12 realms have hereditary chief executives, these being the four Grand Duchies and eight of the twelve Counties. 8 realms select their chief executive by way of their legislature, including the four native realms who select their 'High Chief' typically by way of their legislative bodies composed of lower-ranked chiefs. The least common form of selection is by way of an electoral college of some kind, and this method is employed by 3 realms.​
 
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I like to imagine that the lord of the rings is real as well, in this world. Also, who were the new races that man discovered, elves?

Uh Lord of the Rings isn't real in this scenario, so no elves.

They're the Snake Men of Valusia, the Deep Ones, guys like that.
 
Okay I initially planned to do much more for this, but it's proving to be much more difficult than originally anticipated and since I've got a lot on my plate, so you'll get what you're given.

Following the Pabodie Expeditions unfortunate demise and the recovery of specimens of an as yet undiscovered race of intelligent beings by the Forsythe Expedition in 1932 the world of archeology was rather turned on its head (so was everyone else of course but the boffins were particularly shook). Not only were humans not the most intelligent species in the history of the Earth (not even in the top 10) but it also turned out that we'd been muddling along with this "civilization" thing for quite a lot longer than anyone had initially thought..

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Uh Lord of the Rings isn't real in this scenario, so no elves.

They're the Snake Men of Valusia, the Deep Ones, guys like that.

So this is a world where Howard and Lovecraft (unintentionally, one would assume) gave largely accurate accounts of European prehistory in their fiction?
 

KapiTod

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So this is a world where Howard and Lovecraft (unintentionally, one would assume) gave largely accurate accounts of European prehistory in their fiction?
Yep!

Or at least mostly accurate. I was planning on mocking up some text book sources for this as well, and in that Howard comes over to Dublin to help translate a rather old collection of tales called "The Book of the Nemedians", which along with a 7,000 year old pre-cuneiform tablet found in Turkey decades earlier is what helps people work out a lot of the Hyborian stuff that they go on to find.

Howard gets in a lot of trouble for using his very biased speculations on the book as the basis for his own stories, and he becomes a bit of a rogue amateur- gallivanting across Europe with the help of famous grave-robber Dr. Henry Jones Junior and trying to track down the tomb of "King Conan". ITTL both he and Dr Jones are arrested in Spain in 1936 as hostilities break out, and when their confiscated artefacts are apparently destroyed in the fighting Howard takes his own life.

Whilst Howards ideas are broadly accurate he projects a level of technological and architectural development onto the societies that are pretty far off the mark. Europe in this period would look not unlike the early Levantine and Mesopotamian civilizations- small walled settlements, sporadic use of metal objects, no actual written texts save for some very basic pictograms, and some early farming. The only surprising thing is that they seem to have formed some fairly concise social and political blocks stretching over hundreds if not thousands of miles, sort of like the Incan Empires courier systems.

I've not thought too much about what Lovecraft is up to if I'm honest. I imagine he's been institutionalised.
 
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Maybe ITTL, the stories that came to him in dreams have some basis in fact, the dark emanations of some sleeping and terrible god...
Or maybe some memorie of his "previous lives"? It was a thing in some stories at that time, I think even Howard write one or two with this (or were Yith messing with HPLs mind?)

Anyway, @KapiTod absolutely great work, I love these pulpish "antedeluvian (pre)histories"!
I hope there will be some sequel or prequel or more details
 

KapiTod

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Maybe ITTL, the stories that came to him in dreams have some basis in fact, the dark emanations of some sleeping and terrible god...
Mmh, that could be good. Since Abdul Alhazred was based off of one of Lovecraft's childhood personas when he played pretend I always liked the idea of a scenario where he becomes a second Alhazred.

I used to work on a Lovecraftian roleplay setting called the Terror in the Trenches, and an idea in that was Lovecraft and Alhazred's minds merging together through some Yi-Ti mindfuckery, and he bugs out into the desert to try and ponder how to make all the unspeakable horrors fuck off, and he goes full Leto II and basically becomes an unspeakable horror in his own right.

Obviously that's not gonna happen in this setting, but ya know.

Anyway, @KapiTod absolutely great work, I love these pulpish "antedeluvian (pre)histories"!
I hope there will be some sequel or prequel or more details

Thank you thank you, I'm already thinking of making some smaller maps showing migrations and "kingdoms" between the great cataclysms.
 
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Inspired by a discussion thread about "natural" borders: here are my personal interpretations of what such borders ought to look like for Germany, Austria, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. Note that these proposals are not aimed at creating countries that would magically have a homogeneous population. In fact, there are cases where parts of the national populace are left outside the borders. The goal here is to depict borders that would create the most territorially cohesive, defensible countries. There are situations in OTL where I believe certain countries actually hold more land than would be ideal for that purpose.

(To be clear: this is a thought exercise, not a scenario.)

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Some notes:

-- We see the Carolingian inheritance reflected here. This is to be expected, but it's even more strikingly clear than one might expect.

-- The area of Germany that I believe the Netherlands should claim in this context has significant correspondence to the historical Low German area. Similarly, the area that Austria should claim has significant correspondence to the historical Upper German area. The region in between, similarly, greatly reflects the Middle German area. Even without attempting to create divisions along those lines, we see them pop up anyway. Geography isn't destiny, but it sure does stack the deck!

-- The most heavily contested regions, seen together, greatly resemble Lotharingia. Despite the fact that the Middle Kingdom ceased to exist while France and Germany coalesced, it remains visible as the proverbial (and occasionally literal!) no man's land where the strategic interests of France and Germany both overlap and clash with one another.

-- The topographic basemap is is not mine, and comes from over yonder in the Q-bam thread.

-- ETA: After it was pointed out to me that using the relevant stretch of the Meuse as Germany's "natural" western border, instead of following the Moselle for a bit there, I found myself having to agree. I have correspondingly altered the map. (The resulting boundary happens to more closely reflect the historical frontier of the French "core", as well, just as the Rhine can be seen as the historical frontier of the German "core".)
Belgium: Exists

The Rest of Europe: No
 
Okay I initially planned to do much more for this, but it's proving to be much more difficult than originally anticipated and since I've got a lot on my plate, so you'll get what you're given.

Following the Pabodie Expeditions unfortunate demise and the recovery of specimens of an as yet undiscovered race of intelligent beings by the Forsythe Expedition in 1932 the world of archeology was rather turned on its head (so was everyone else of course but the boffins were particularly shook). Not only were humans not the most intelligent species in the history of the Earth (not even in the top 10) but it also turned out that we'd been muddling along with this "civilization" thing for quite a lot longer than anyone had initially thought..

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It's a bit busy, but I'm loving this concept!
 
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