Map Thread XIX
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1. Those straight lines are really, really bad. Straight lines look terrible unless used in extreme moderation.
2. Why would the Veneto-Ethiopian border be on the Nile? If you're taking the west bank, go all the way.
3. Why does England claim parts of north Canada? If they seceded non-violently, I see no need to keep claims, and (other than the oil in Alaska) there'd be no need to keep the land. If they revolted, I don't see how England would want to keep the land
4. Why would Portugal leave the African kingdom borders as they were when they arrived? Would make more sense to consolidate power in more powerful and more loyal kings.
In fairness, there are some good parts to the map. Those Indian subdivisions are wonderful.
A History of the Californias.
Originally named by Spanish explorers exploring the southern peninsula in the 1520s, the Californias were originally inhabited, if sparsely by nomadic ancestors of present-day American Indians and Mesoamerikaners. As part of Spain’s fledging colonial empire in the New World, the budding colonies were handed over with the rest of “New Spain” in 1554 to the Austrian Habsburgs, whose interim rule over what had become known as New Austria was made official by 1611. It wasn’t long before colonists, nobles and missionaries from Mitteleuropa – including a number of adventurers from Bohemia – began settling the southern half of the large expanse, trickles of daring souls seeking opportunity that grew in number with each generation. It was in this context that the Margraviate (later, Crown Province) of Kalifornien was formally established by Imperial decree in 1681, ruled from Neu Wien. Due to its relative distance, it was largely left to its own devices, the peninsula still known unofficially to this day as Südkalifornien made its own territory in 1712 to keep the new Markgrafs from becoming too powerful in court.
And for a time, the arrangement went well enough. By the late-18th Century, more of Kalifornien was explored and settled, the scattered Mesoamerikaners remaining in the territory either integrating in the growing townships and homesteads or intermarrying with the colonists. But the northernmost frontiers remained largely unpopulated, attracting nomadic natives and increasingly, pioneer-settlers from the newly independent American Federation. Not even the infamous civil war in the 1840s among the Americans did much to quell the simmering tensions and clashes as they intensified in scale.
All this culminated in 1859 with the War of the Western Frontiers, also known as the President’s Crusade. What started as skirmishes between the Markgraf’s militias and isolated outposts quickly escalated as A.F. military expeditions from their Eastern heartland threatened to overrun all of Kalifornien, if not Neu Wien itself under the auspices of Continental Destiny and “liberating” the royalists. New Austrian forces under the direct command of the ruling Habsburg Archduke however managed to stop the American advance, even if it led to a vicious stalemate until reinforcements arrived from the Austro-Hungarian Crownlands in 1864. The action startled the officials in Franklinton F.D.C. as much as it risked further European intervention in what had previously been coined a “war between colonials,” in turn prompting the British in Canada to mediate a peace settlement.
The Treaty of Ottawa in 1866 thus settled the dispute once and for all. The Americans went on to claim – and settle –the northernmost New Austrian territories. The State of North California in particular was formed in time from most of the lands ceded from the Margraviate, the remainder made part of the Western Indian Territory (the State of Dine-Utah from 1917); the completion of the First Trans-American Railroad in 1873 further accelerated the new territories’ assimilation and development. While the Margraf’s remaining territories were reconstituted into the Crown Province of Kalifornien in 1874 as part of the wider reforms sweeping across the now Royal Dominion of New Austria. By the time Südkalifornien was absorbed 16 years later, the domain not only recovered but also had, similarly to its northern neighbors begun using its plentiful oil and gold deposits to foster a stable, modern economy. In the process, attracting more migrants from across the Atlantic....
- "The Westinghouse Atlas of the New World." American Federation. 2023 Edition.
...Even before the Founding Fathers could finish ratifying the Constitution, or the aging Franklin could be inaugurated as the first President, the fledgling republic faced its share of birth pains. The 19th Century would see American frontiers expand beyond the original Colonies in pursuit of a "Continental Destiny" (thanks in part to acquiring the sparsely settled Louisiana Territory from the French in 1800 and Alyaska from the Russians in 1854), more immigrants flocking from the Old World, new industries emerging and the rise of new States. It also saw growing competition between the A.F. and Canada, resulting in myriad squabbles that in time barred British expansion towards the Pacific; alongside similar tensions with the New Austrians and their Habsburg rulers, culminating in the War of the Western Frontiers (also known as the "President's Crusade" in reference to then-President Rutherford Lee) from 1859-66, it helped fuel a disdain for monarchy. Meanwhile, the haphazard, if at times hostile efforts to deal with tensions between Native Indians and pioneers (including the forced relocation of the Cherokee and Choctaw over the 1820s-30s) led to heated debates in Franklinton, F.D.C. (founded in 1795) over a more lasting solution, many hearkening to the sympathetic commentaries of Franklin and a Shawnee leader named Tecumseh; within a few generations, these would result in more amicable relations, the prominence of tribes in certain States (such as the Sioux in North and South Lakotah), and them being increasingly assimilated into wider society as citizens...
- "The Westinghouse Atlas of the New World." American Federation. 2023 Edition.
...By then, even as the Habsburgs’ New World lands continued to expand, more challenges – and opportunities – emerged. While New Austria’s southern borders with the colonies in so-called Mittelamerika had always been relatively stable, the Caribbean Sea and the sparsely-populated, let alone explored northern frontiers remained vulnerable, especially from its burgeoning neighbors to the north. Skirmishes with American privateers and settlers grew in intensity, culminating in the War of the Western Frontiers in 1859-66; fierce resistance from New Austrian regiments as well as reinforcements from what was then the Austro-Hungarian Crownlands and British intervention contributed to the Treaty of Ottawa and present day borders with the American Federation....
- “Atlas Sans Frontieres: The Gaspereau-Thomson Guide to the New World.” Loyalist Canada. 2023.
It's a bit of an experiment to see if I could improve further upon the concept, while also fleshing out some more details. The closest analogue in our timeline for this event would be a mix of the Mexican-American War and the Second Franco-Mexican War. Coincidentally Benjamin Dewell in real life was one of the pioneering Anglo settlers who took part in the founding of the California Republic, while "Degataga Uwatie" is a reference to Cherokee Nation leader (and Civil War officer) Stand Watie, reflecting the increasingly equal footing Native Americans have by that point in the setting. While "Bethen" is a reference to the works by
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The DeviantArt version is here.
EDIT: Minor correction
Originally named by Spanish explorers exploring the southern peninsula in the 1520s, the Californias were originally inhabited, if sparsely by nomadic ancestors of present-day American Indians and Mesoamerikaners. As part of Spain’s fledging colonial empire in the New World, the budding colonies were handed over with the rest of “New Spain” in 1554 to the Austrian Habsburgs, whose interim rule over what had become known as New Austria was made official by 1611. It wasn’t long before colonists, nobles and missionaries from Mitteleuropa – including a number of adventurers from Bohemia – began settling the southern half of the large expanse, trickles of daring souls seeking opportunity that grew in number with each generation. It was in this context that the Margraviate (later, Crown Province) of Kalifornien was formally established by Imperial decree in 1681, ruled from Neu Wien. Due to its relative distance, it was largely left to its own devices, the peninsula still known unofficially to this day as Südkalifornien made its own territory in 1712 to keep the new Markgrafs from becoming too powerful in court.
And for a time, the arrangement went well enough. By the late-18th Century, more of Kalifornien was explored and settled, the scattered Mesoamerikaners remaining in the territory either integrating in the growing townships and homesteads or intermarrying with the colonists. But the northernmost frontiers remained largely unpopulated, attracting nomadic natives and increasingly, pioneer-settlers from the newly independent American Federation. Not even the infamous civil war in the 1840s among the Americans did much to quell the simmering tensions and clashes as they intensified in scale.
All this culminated in 1859 with the War of the Western Frontiers, also known as the President’s Crusade. What started as skirmishes between the Markgraf’s militias and isolated outposts quickly escalated as A.F. military expeditions from their Eastern heartland threatened to overrun all of Kalifornien, if not Neu Wien itself under the auspices of Continental Destiny and “liberating” the royalists. New Austrian forces under the direct command of the ruling Habsburg Archduke however managed to stop the American advance, even if it led to a vicious stalemate until reinforcements arrived from the Austro-Hungarian Crownlands in 1864. The action startled the officials in Franklinton F.D.C. as much as it risked further European intervention in what had previously been coined a “war between colonials,” in turn prompting the British in Canada to mediate a peace settlement.
The Treaty of Ottawa in 1866 thus settled the dispute once and for all. The Americans went on to claim – and settle –the northernmost New Austrian territories. The State of North California in particular was formed in time from most of the lands ceded from the Margraviate, the remainder made part of the Western Indian Territory (the State of Dine-Utah from 1917); the completion of the First Trans-American Railroad in 1873 further accelerated the new territories’ assimilation and development. While the Margraf’s remaining territories were reconstituted into the Crown Province of Kalifornien in 1874 as part of the wider reforms sweeping across the now Royal Dominion of New Austria. By the time Südkalifornien was absorbed 16 years later, the domain not only recovered but also had, similarly to its northern neighbors begun using its plentiful oil and gold deposits to foster a stable, modern economy. In the process, attracting more migrants from across the Atlantic....
- "The Westinghouse Atlas of the New World." American Federation. 2023 Edition.
...Even before the Founding Fathers could finish ratifying the Constitution, or the aging Franklin could be inaugurated as the first President, the fledgling republic faced its share of birth pains. The 19th Century would see American frontiers expand beyond the original Colonies in pursuit of a "Continental Destiny" (thanks in part to acquiring the sparsely settled Louisiana Territory from the French in 1800 and Alyaska from the Russians in 1854), more immigrants flocking from the Old World, new industries emerging and the rise of new States. It also saw growing competition between the A.F. and Canada, resulting in myriad squabbles that in time barred British expansion towards the Pacific; alongside similar tensions with the New Austrians and their Habsburg rulers, culminating in the War of the Western Frontiers (also known as the "President's Crusade" in reference to then-President Rutherford Lee) from 1859-66, it helped fuel a disdain for monarchy. Meanwhile, the haphazard, if at times hostile efforts to deal with tensions between Native Indians and pioneers (including the forced relocation of the Cherokee and Choctaw over the 1820s-30s) led to heated debates in Franklinton, F.D.C. (founded in 1795) over a more lasting solution, many hearkening to the sympathetic commentaries of Franklin and a Shawnee leader named Tecumseh; within a few generations, these would result in more amicable relations, the prominence of tribes in certain States (such as the Sioux in North and South Lakotah), and them being increasingly assimilated into wider society as citizens...
- "The Westinghouse Atlas of the New World." American Federation. 2023 Edition.
...By then, even as the Habsburgs’ New World lands continued to expand, more challenges – and opportunities – emerged. While New Austria’s southern borders with the colonies in so-called Mittelamerika had always been relatively stable, the Caribbean Sea and the sparsely-populated, let alone explored northern frontiers remained vulnerable, especially from its burgeoning neighbors to the north. Skirmishes with American privateers and settlers grew in intensity, culminating in the War of the Western Frontiers in 1859-66; fierce resistance from New Austrian regiments as well as reinforcements from what was then the Austro-Hungarian Crownlands and British intervention contributed to the Treaty of Ottawa and present day borders with the American Federation....
- “Atlas Sans Frontieres: The Gaspereau-Thomson Guide to the New World.” Loyalist Canada. 2023.
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Thought I'd add this little bit as a surprise: a RDNA-verse Wikibox covering some of the historical backstory of the setting. In this case, the War of the Western Frontiers (spanning from 1859 to 1866), also known in the American Federation in-verse as the "President's Crusade."It's a bit of an experiment to see if I could improve further upon the concept, while also fleshing out some more details. The closest analogue in our timeline for this event would be a mix of the Mexican-American War and the Second Franco-Mexican War. Coincidentally Benjamin Dewell in real life was one of the pioneering Anglo settlers who took part in the founding of the California Republic, while "Degataga Uwatie" is a reference to Cherokee Nation leader (and Civil War officer) Stand Watie, reflecting the increasingly equal footing Native Americans have by that point in the setting. While "Bethen" is a reference to the works by
.The DeviantArt version is here.
EDIT: Minor correction
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2. Ethiopia annexed Egypt after the Italo-Hungarian vs Mamluks war, so that where the border was set. (plus venice didn't want to deal with a bunch of angry arabs, unlike Ethiopia, which is one of the most tolerant nations in this world (which is saying a lot, all things considering))
3. Canada didn't revolt, they were always part of france, until the wars for independence
4. they're more of Tributary states than part of portugal, so they haven't been able to do anything other than "suggest" law changing.
From my timeline-to-be "the Tsar, the Kaiser and a Springtime Revolution" or maybe just "A Springtime Revolution" (currently leaning towards the latter).
Membership of the International Concord (ALT!UN) in 1945. Showing original members (light blue) and their colonies/IC Mandates (darker blue). Newly annexed Britannic Syndicalist Commonwealths in the Union of Britannic Syndicalist Commonwealths, newly annexed South Mexican and South Brazilian Republics of Central America and Sudamerica (both socialist), Japanese Taiwan, Italian Albania, recently "liberated" (from British Empire in Exile) parts of India and newly annexed African territories of Ottoman Empire (Algeria, Egypt, Djibouti) shown as integral parts of member states.
And here is the International Concord today by year of admission. Federation of Turkestan (2015), Republic of Georgia (2016), Republic of Azerbaijan (2016), 4th Republic of Katanga (2016), Social Republic of Zambia (West Zambia, 2017), Republic of Bengal (2017), Islamic Republic of Hindustan (2019) are the latest members of the IC (also United States of America ("West America") has been recognized as a Great Power in 2015). Governments of Central African Republic and South Sudan are currently in exile and still hold IC membership. Social Republic of South Sudan ("Southeast Sudan") has however managed to get Observer status with Great Power sponsorship (specifically Chinese Social Republic and American Socialist Federation ("East America")). West Zambia has barely managed to get membership with Chinese support despite British Commonwealth (another recognized Great Power) protests. Patagonia has despite recognition from more than half of member nations has been unable to attain full membership. Seat of the original member, 2nd Republic of the Congo (1988-2015 seat of the Africanist Republic of the Congo) is currently held by the (Russian supported) Provisional Government of the Congo. Areas controlled by insurgent "states" in Chad, Congo and Uganda are not shown on this map.
Republic of China was an original member. However they ceased to control any land by 1969. When Chinese Social Republic was recognized as a Great Power and received a seat in the Forum of the Great Powers in 1981, their first act was to attempt to end the membership of ROC. With British help (and due to not even Britannic Union fully supporting this action of the CSR) ROC was only demoted to observer instead of getting fully removed from the organisation. Despite Indian (another Great Power) and ROC support Tibet has not managed to gain observer status.
Membership of the International Concord (ALT!UN) in 1945. Showing original members (light blue) and their colonies/IC Mandates (darker blue). Newly annexed Britannic Syndicalist Commonwealths in the Union of Britannic Syndicalist Commonwealths, newly annexed South Mexican and South Brazilian Republics of Central America and Sudamerica (both socialist), Japanese Taiwan, Italian Albania, recently "liberated" (from British Empire in Exile) parts of India and newly annexed African territories of Ottoman Empire (Algeria, Egypt, Djibouti) shown as integral parts of member states.
And here is the International Concord today by year of admission. Federation of Turkestan (2015), Republic of Georgia (2016), Republic of Azerbaijan (2016), 4th Republic of Katanga (2016), Social Republic of Zambia (West Zambia, 2017), Republic of Bengal (2017), Islamic Republic of Hindustan (2019) are the latest members of the IC (also United States of America ("West America") has been recognized as a Great Power in 2015). Governments of Central African Republic and South Sudan are currently in exile and still hold IC membership. Social Republic of South Sudan ("Southeast Sudan") has however managed to get Observer status with Great Power sponsorship (specifically Chinese Social Republic and American Socialist Federation ("East America")). West Zambia has barely managed to get membership with Chinese support despite British Commonwealth (another recognized Great Power) protests. Patagonia has despite recognition from more than half of member nations has been unable to attain full membership. Seat of the original member, 2nd Republic of the Congo (1988-2015 seat of the Africanist Republic of the Congo) is currently held by the (Russian supported) Provisional Government of the Congo. Areas controlled by insurgent "states" in Chad, Congo and Uganda are not shown on this map.
Republic of China was an original member. However they ceased to control any land by 1969. When Chinese Social Republic was recognized as a Great Power and received a seat in the Forum of the Great Powers in 1981, their first act was to attempt to end the membership of ROC. With British help (and due to not even Britannic Union fully supporting this action of the CSR) ROC was only demoted to observer instead of getting fully removed from the organisation. Despite Indian (another Great Power) and ROC support Tibet has not managed to gain observer status.
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I think I remember that map but unfortunately can't tell you where to find it as I don't remember where it was either.
Another century has passed in a world without islam, and this is how society is organized...
- Tribal (brown)- tribal realms ruled by mighty chiefs can be found throughout much of Africa and Siberia, as well as more remote parts of Asi.
- Nomadic (golden) - much of the Steppe and the Teneré (Sahara)
- Feudal (blue) - the feudal system is inherently tied to western Christendom, but can also be found in parts of Arabia, Subtenerean Africa and elsewhere. Relies on the power of the military caste, who own most of the land
- Republic (pink)- republican societies can be found mainly in places where the wealthy merchants have taken control, in place such as Aden, Alexandria, Novgorod, but mainyl northern Italy, Iceland and parts of Spain
- Despotic monarchy (indigo) -can be found in various emergent states mainly outside the reach of Christendom
- Caste (purple) - native to India
- Mandala (carrot) - native to Southeast Asia
- Hierocratic (beige) -developped in Egypt and was adopted by African states in its proximity
- Theocracy (white)
- Meritocracy (green) - The Chinese meritocratic system was inherited by the Yuan dynasty .
- Imperial (purple) - Rhomania
- Plutocracy (cream) - government based on small rulers of city states, who are of monarchic nature but their primary source of income is through trade
- Monastic Feudal (brown) - Tibet
- Monastic State (light blue) - a unique form of government specific to the area held by the Brotherhood of the Warriors of Faith, a Donatist military order
- Daimyo (Yellow): unique governmnet of Japan.
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The Ukrainian Hetmanate (Ukrainian: Український Гетьманщина, romanized: Ukrayinsʹkyy Hetʹmanshchyna) is a country in Eastern Europe. It is bordered by the Timurid Empire and the Caspian Sea to the east, Samara and the Free Russian Republic to the north-east, Belarus to the north; Poland to the west; and Romania, Moldova, Abkhazia, Circassia, Stavropol, Kalmykia and the Black Sea to the south. Its capital and largest city are Kyiv. Ukrainian is the official language and its alphabet is Cyrillic. The dominant religion in the country is Eastern Orthodoxy.
In 1991, the Ukrainian SSR gained its independence from the Soviet Union in the aftermath of its dissolution at the end of the third world war under the Hetmanate system. The young nation immediately took advantage of the second Russian civil war and claimed its ancestral territory in Don-Kuban and the oil-producing territories of the Caucasus. Ukraine managed to solidify its control over most southern Russia, even capturing Volgograd and getting access to the Caspian sea via Astrakhan. Following its independence, Ukraine declared itself a neutral state; it formed a limited partnership with the Freyist CECU while also establishing partnerships with the United States and with the Timurid empire. In 1997, a religious and ethnic tension between Catholic Poland and Ukrainian Orthodox minorities in Galicia resulted in the independence of Galicia from Poland, in return to the Ukrainian ceding of the western part of the Zhytomyr oblast to Poland.
Ukraine is a developing country and ranked medium on the Human Development Index. As of 2018, Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe alongside Moldova and Ruthenia in terms of GDP per capita. At US$40, it has the lowest median wealth per adult in the world and suffers from a high poverty rate. However, because of its extensive fertile farmlands, Ukraine is one of the world's largest grain exporters. The Ukrainian Hetmanate is a unitary powerful monarchy, modeled after the Cossack Hetmanate with a system comprised of a hereditary executive Hetman and a bicameral legislature known as the Rada. The country is a member of the United Nations.
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Poland (Polish: Polska), officially the Free Republic of Poland (Polish: Wolna Rzeczpospolita Polska), is a country located in Central Europe. It is divided into 17 voivodeships and has a largely temperate seasonal climate. Poland's capital and largest metropolis are Warsaw. Other major cities include Kraków, Łódź, Białystok, Poznań, and Gdynia. Poland is bordered by the Baltic Sea, Lithuania, and Germany's East Prussia to the north, Belarus and Ukraine to the east, Czechoslovakia, Ruthenia, Galicia and Romania to the south, and Germany to the west.
In 1947, the Polish People's Republic was established as a Soviet satellite state. In the aftermath of the third world war, most notably through the reemergence of the Freyist Solidarity movement and the Polish Home Army, Poland reestablished itself as a presidential democratic republic under Freyist influence. Lech Wałęsa, the leader of the Solidarity movement, became the country’s first democratically-elected head of state since the beginning of the second world war.
Following the war, Poland took control over most of the Ukrainian and Belarusian territory that was stripped from them in the aftermath of the second world war while Germany took control over most of their ancestral lands on the eastern side of the Oder-Neisse line. In 1997, Poland became involved in a dispute with Ukrainian residents in the Galicia region on religious and ethnic grounds, which was resolved by German mediation that year through the establishment of Galicia as an independent state and Polish annexation of border regions with Ukraine. Poland maintains close relations with Germany and is one of the "Big Three" of the Central European Customs Union, along with Germany and Italy.
Poland has a developed market and is a regional power in Central Europe. It has the second-largest economy by GDP (nominal) in the CECU and the ninth-largest in all of Europe. It's one of the most quickly-developing economies in the world, going through the massive rebuilding of infrastructure and cities post-World War III along with massive resettlement of citizens from the western regions taken by Germany in the eastern regions annexed to Poland following the war. Poland is a developed country, which maintains a high-income economy along with very high standards of living. The country is ranked as very high on the Human Development Index. Poland is a member state of CECU and the United Nations.
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The form of government hasn´t been particularly described, but I believe we can call it Daimyo
This should give you (and by extension everyone) a better clue. Still a WIP btw:
Is it some kind of officially Anglo-Afrikaner bi-cultural South Africa?
I notice that there are a lot of Rhodes-inspired place names.
Gian
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Nope. Not even close.
Another clue: The names in parenthesis (if any) are the names the United States, UK, and the rest of the world recognizes.
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Succesful Boer revolt in WW1 but without a German victory (or one where SWAfrika is invaded nonetheless)?
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Gian
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Fun fact, the map file is my "Cold War and Modern Era (1945-Present)" folder (I organize them by date of initial PoD), so no.
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