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Alternate Language Map in a world with some different migrations. Here's a writeup of some of the new peoples:

Ruzian/Ruzenian: Pronounced Ruthian/Ruthenian, The Ruzians were the people born from the settlement of Wikings into the *Andalus* and *Algarve* regions by Lusitanian kings as thanks for help in fighting the Berber kingdoms resulting from their invasion of Hispania. The Ruzians adopted the culture of their Lusitanian overlords, and gradually conquered the rest of Betica along with Lusitania. Hispanic Normans with some Berber mixed in.

Porekans: (from Po reka - by the river) The South Slavs continued their expansion and invaded the Po river valley. Most of the Porekans were escaping the Wigarian invasion of the Pannonia region. Slavic Italians.

Doetsch: German French: the Franks germanised much of the north of France and began settling people throughout Francia westward into their territories in the North of France. They then began spreading south through the Rhone river valley. Populations of the Oberseemener exist from adventurers to the Holy Land in the 1200s. Their language is essentially Low Franconian with a heavy Latin influence.

Theodish: What if English was stuck in the Middle English state without any French or much Latin influence?

Siqillian: another resultant language of the Berber expansion of the 800s, the Siqillians are born from the mixed Zenatian, Tamazight, and Kabylian populations of North Africa.

Pannonian: The Romance language of the Keszthely Culture, they are a major minority population in the state of Wigaria.
African: Carthaginian Romance
Moorish: Berber Romance spoken by Altavans
Treverese: a strange group of mountaineers, shepherds, foresters and farmers residing in the Vosges mountains and parts of the Moselle Basin, they are the last surviving Romance group of the Langue d'oil, and are quite divergent from Modern French.
Oh yes. I always like language maps. Some interesting ideas .
 
Crossposting from a Union of American Realms:
A Look At The Demographics of East Florida
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1. Distrito Capital de San Agustín
, San Augustin, 1,786,298 (2020)
2. Provincia del Rio San Juan Exterior, Anastasia, 2,489,198 (2020)
3. Provincia de Santa Isabela, Puerto Carolina, 2,029,203 (2020)
4. Provincia de San Juan Interior, San Juan, 1,000,403 (2020)
5. Provincia de Santa Fe, Santa Fe, 737,283 (2020)
6. Provincia de Leon, Talasí, 734,329 (2020)
7. Provincia de Narvaez, Hernando, 703,200 (2020)
8. Provincia de la Bahía Espíritu Santo, Espíritu Santo, 2,028,006 (2020)
9. Provincia de Pascua, Ciudad Florida, 1,738,787 (2020)
10. Provincia de Naranja, Avíla, 689,328 (2020)
11. Provincia de la Costa Bella, Nuevo Léon, 3,338,209 (2020)
12. Provincia de Palmera, Bahía Palmas, 1,284,222 (2020)
13. Provincia de los Lagos, Los Arroyos, 598,010 (2020)
-- TOTAL POPULATION: 19,156,476 (2020)​

East Florida (Spanish: La Florida Oriental) was traditionally one of the less populated realms in the UAR, although its status as the only majority-Spanish speaking member of the confederation consistently saw its population grow as consistent waves of immigrants from the Caribbean and then South America moved there. It's population really exploded in the 20th Century, however, as modernization efforts, industrialization, and mass draining of southern swampland opened parts of the realm previously rendered inhospitable. The 20th Century also saw East Florida begin a mass campaign to attract other members from the confederation as it portrayed its coasts as the optimum tourist and retirement destination. In the 1900 census, East Florida reported a population of 612,327 - in the most recent census (2020), the realm reported a population of just over 19M, highlighting the rapid growth the realm experienced. In the 120 years from 1900 to 2020, East Florida's population grew by an astonishing 3028.47%.

Initially and in the early part of the realms history, it's population was centered in the north and especially around the San Juan River (Spanish: Rio San Juan). The population growth seen in the 20th Century centered on the coasts, however, particularly around La Costa Bella province which today is home to the largest concentration of East Floridians in the realm. Considerable population growth also occurred around the Bahía Espíritu Santo and Pascua provinces. Altogether, these three provinces hold 37% of the population. Of course, the capital of San Agustín and the surrounding Capital District are the most populated area per square mile, and the province which surrounds it (Rio San Juan Exterior) has seen its population grow exponentially as the San Agustín Urban Area grew outwards. That province in conjunction with the Capital District hold another 22% of the population. The center of the realm and the northwest remain the less populated regions of the realm, despite amounting to the larger land areas. Nonetheless, these areas, especially the central provinces, hold considerable agricultural value for the realm.

East Florida is just one of two realms in the confederation where a majority of the population speaks a language other than English (the other being Canada) with a vast majority of East Floridians speaking Spanish at home. More East Floridians speak English as a total, of course, due to English being taught in East Florida schools, but the language remains a second language for most citizens of the realm. This means that East Florida exhibits one of the highest bilingual populations in the UAR and the continent as a whole. Significant numbers of East Floridians also speak other languages, such as French, Italian and Portuguese. As far as the Spanish spoken in East Florida, it is considered a unique dialect known as Florideño, with considerable ties to Caribbean dialects of Cuba and Puerto Rico, although having its own norms and varying significantly from the Spanish spoken there or anywhere else. Florideño Spanish is also the dialect spoken by native Spanish speakers in West Florida.

East Florida is home to a considerable number afromericans due to its history of slavery, although the practice was enforced differently in the realm as opposed to its English sister realms. Colonial law in East Florida provided certain protections for enslaved individuals that were not afforded in places like Georgia, Palmetto and Carolina, resulting in a larger free-black population during the 19th century than in neighboring slaver realms. At the same time, East Florida had considerably less slaves than many of its neighbors. Escaped slaves would oftentimes head south to the Mayaimi Confederacy, where slavery was outlawed, and contention often grew in the 19th Century between free-blacks and enslaved blacks in the realm. When slavery was outlawed in the realm at the end of the 19th Century, tensions eased, and the afromerican population continued to grow from time to time with immigration from the Caribbean. In the present day, roughly 23.2% of East Floridians identify as afromerican, nearly a quarter of the population.

A super-majority of the population of East Florida is Catholic, making it one of two realms where a majority of citizens adhere to the faith (the other being Canada). East Florida holds one of the smallest Protestant populations, including adherents of the Church of Columbia. This, in conjunction with its large Spanish speaking population, has made East Florida the source of considerable racist attacks by politicians from across the confederation. East Florida has had a history of dealing with this, including multiple border crises with neighboring Georgia. In turn, East Florida is home to one of the largest independence movements in the realm and many parties in the realm advocate for greater autonomy.
 
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Actually if you're looking at via a Franconian route then dütsch or düdesch or even dytsch.
But that would only count if we used High German Central Franconian. If we go the Low Franconian line (which would be OTL Dutch), then we would have something like Middle Dutch dietsch, Modern Dutch Diets or Duits, or Limburgish Dutsj
 
I wonder which of those cities he was planning on imprisoning Ian in?

IIRC this was the guy that said he was banning Ian.
The age lines up with his given date of birth.
 
The age lines up with his given date of birth.
“We’re not arrested, you’re arrested”
 
Crosspost from the Oneshot scenario's.

A Map and Cold War Scenario inspired by a reading of For All Time, something of a less dystopian cover if you will.

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The PoD here is sometime in the 30s with a more hefty investment by the US into its defence industries (see Keynes Cruisers for what I'm talking about). Something whose butterflies manage to fashion out into a better performing Allies in the 39-41 period, albeit not being enough to stop the Fall of France. The U.S enters WWII as OTL with embargo leading Pearl Harbour but Roosevelt dies of natural causes early in 42 and his successor Henry Wallace manages to throw a wrench into the Allied war effort. Torch goes off as OTL with allied forces managing to kick the Axis out of Africa by late 42 with the support of defecting Vichy forces under Darlan. This has the unfortunate side effect of leading to a half-cooked Allied Invasion of Europe in early 43 as a result of pressure from Wallace and Stalin (The Roundup/Sledgehammer Concept), the Western Allies manage to establish a toehold on Brittany but find themselves unable to sustain a foothold and are forced to withdraw by summer of the same year, leading to increased distrust between Longdon and Washington.

Germany meanwhile is doing slightly better on the Ost-front, Barbossa's early stages see slightly more success with the US paratroopers and Rommel doesn't drag ~250k men and several Panzer divisions into North Africa. Nazi Germany avoids the encirclement at Stalingrad and spends late 42 to mid 43 holding out against a Soviet steamroller with a misfiring sparkplug and turns back the first allied assault into fortress Europe albeit at a heavy cost, especially in the air. Late 43 sees the Western Allies increasingly split their efforts with the UK and Commonwealth refocusing on the Med with an invasion into Sicily with the US building up for another invasion into Europe and ramping up lend-lease to the USSR.

44 and 45 see the Red Army finally gain its footing pushing back the Heer across the Dneiper while the Allied Airforce shatters German cities from above, an alt-Valkyrie* sends the Reich hurtling into all-out civil war as Italy defects and Anglo-American forces hit the beaches near Calais. The war in Europe ends with Berlin and eating a nuke and the Red Army meeting a mish-mash of Commonwealth, US, French and "Free" German forces farther west than OTL. Japan having had a less amazing run of luck across the Pacific and having been pushed back to home islands as OTL, followed suit after the appearance of mushroom clouds over Kokura and Hiroshima and the first Soviet troops hitting the beaches in Hokkaido. WWII Ends in early March of 46.

The post-war period would see an increasing American withdrawal inwards with an unpopular Wallace presidency leading to a conservative and isolationist backlash with the victory of Robert Taft in 1944. The post-war demobilization would see American troops rapidly depart Germany leaving in place a conservative authoritarian regime run by Carl Gordoeler and the alt-Valkyrie plotters and American economic support for a war-torn Europe dwindled to a trickle. Only in Asia would US troops remain principally thanks to the efforts of General Macarthur warily watching their Soviet counterparts across the Tsugaru strait and garrisoning "Free" Korea in Cheju.

Western Europe meanwhile banded together on the basis of "hang together or hang separately" with Britain, and Darlan's France* along with the Benelux and the parts of Germany under French and UK control forming the Western Union a combined NATO/EEC type organization. Non-communist Europe remains poorer than OTL a lack of an alt-Marshal plan and American investment drastically hampering recovery. Only Britain, having managed to avoid the humiliations of Singapore and less indebted to the US maintains a standard living close to OTL and has increasingly filled the hole left by the US in confronting Communism overseas.

*Darlan having managed to outmaneuver the alliance between De Gaulle and Giraud for control of the Free French

Iran came close to outright conflict with the USSR over the attempted installation of a friendly regime. After concluding that a puppet government in North would be a terrorism addled mess the USSR simply decided to spin off the Azeri and Kurdish bits as friendly puppets and went home, leading to an odd result of a left-wing nationalist regime allied to Britain taking power based on hating the Soviets even more.

The levant is less screwed up, with Palestine being chopped up into an internationalized Jerusalem and a larger West Bank Area and Gaza as part of a larger Kingdom of Trans-Jordan as part of a Anglo-American brokered arrangement. The presence of British forces prevented the Arab states from making a move, something which hasn't help Britain's reputation in the region.

American-Soviet confrontation took far longer to get started than OTL. With no real US presence in Germany, no Korean War and a more isolationist US public coupled with the fact that the USSR had taken even more casualties than and had less ability to compete at first helped keep things cool. Still, Stalin being Stalin things warmed as the Soviets and other Communist expanded their influence with the victory of the Reds in China and most of Indochina and the beginning of the Space race has caused a major stir. Talk of a "Cold War" or a new "Great Game" with the Soviets is becoming increasingly common even with the strengthened isolationist tendencies of the American public and political establishment.

Said sentiments are manifested in Africa and Southeast Asia where the French and British are embroiled in colonial and post-colonial conflicts against an array of insurgencies. France, in particular the generals who run the show, are deadset on holding onto the empire, the cost in both lives and material is increasing as is the public's willingness to send France's sons to die in distant shores.

The U.S is less paranoid about Reds compared to OTL, a bit more racist (there has been backlash following Wallace's rather hamfisted attempts at integration and the assassination of President Taft in 1950 by Puerto Rican nationalists), and the political spectrum has shifted leftwards with Dewey's six-year stint as President. Rock and Roll has emerged for all intents and purposes and the country is slowly reacquainting itself with global affairs, even if Joe Kennedy administration is more focused on battling scandal than anything to do overseas.

Things, however, are about to heat up. Whispers of change dance across lips in Parisian cafe's while Le Général discusses with sympathetic officers in smoke-filled rooms. In Egypt generals and officials review maps of the Suez, a paranoid Mao plans to purge the "traitors" before they purge him, while in Belgrade Tito returns from yet another unsatisfying meeting in Moscow and makes a phone call to Athens.

In the industrial cities of Northern Italy, militiamen count smuggled arms and ammunition. The Milan Commune is less than six weeks away.
 

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Testing a colour scheme for the planned major north american powers in the 900s in my current TL. The Norse discovered Vinland in the early 800s and further explorations lead to the independent establishing of the Jarldoms of Björnland and Thokeyjar. The Haudenosaunee are currently in the process of forming which then leads to the Alqonquin tribes to form a loose alliance to stem their expansion. Miðeyjar/The Azores were the penultimate fully Norse settlement and were found by the second son of the King of Dyflinn.
 
But that would only count if we used High German Central Franconian. If we go the Low Franconian line (which would be OTL Dutch), then we would have something like Middle Dutch dietsch, Modern Dutch Diets or Duits, or Limburgish Dutsj
I meant Old Franconian/Frankish as the map appears to show.
Besides Duits is from High German, while Diets is the cognate form.
Tbh it's entirely possible they'll use a derivative of Fräncisc instead so Frensch Frentsch French Frenzh etc depending on spelling.
 
I meant Old Franconian/Frankish as the map appears to show.
Besides Duits is from High German, while Diets is the cognate form.
Tbh it's entirely possible they'll use a derivative of Fräncisc instead so Frensch Frentsch French Frenzh etc depending on spelling.
Duits is from Northern Dutch duutsch, while Diets came from Southern Dutch dietsch. Also Old Franconian didn't took part in the High German consonant shift. Only the southern parts which became High Franconian, while Low Franconian became Dutch. (Of coure you could just call Nederduits, Franconian and Doetsch as Lower, Middle and High Franconian.)
(or you could call them after their own version of Frankish, so Nederduits would become Frenkisk, Franconian would become Frängesch and Doetsch would become something like Frantses.)
 
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Look what i made in quarantine. There's not a whole lot of back-story to it , just a map of something I found interesting done in the style of old CIA atlases.
Heres a link to a higher resolution! I had to compress and split the original image quite a lot to be able to post it.

Btw does anyone know what the upload limit is on here? It seems frustratingly small.
 
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Look what i made in quarantine. There's not a whole lot of back-story to it , just a map of something I found interesting done in the style of old CIA atlases.
Heres a link to a higher resolution! I had to compress and split the original image quite a lot to be able to post it.

Btw does anyone know what the upload limit is on here? It seems frustratingly small.
Always love maps made in that CIA atlas style! Awesome job, probably better than the couple I did!

Would love to see more about the neighboring countries.

I'd probably recommand adding some faint paper texture, would make it look better too.
 
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Look what i made in quarantine. There's not a whole lot of back-story to it , just a map of something I found interesting done in the style of old CIA atlases.
Heres a link to a higher resolution! I had to compress and split the original image quite a lot to be able to post it.

Btw does anyone know what the upload limit is on here? It seems frustratingly small.
Love the style, that's some beautiful work.
 
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Look what i made in quarantine. There's not a whole lot of back-story to it , just a map of something I found interesting done in the style of old CIA atlases.
Heres a link to a higher resolution! I had to compress and split the original image quite a lot to be able to post it.

Btw does anyone know what the upload limit is on here? It seems frustratingly small.
Very nice, great map!
 
Would love to see more about the neighboring countries.
I'd probably recommand adding some faint paper texture, would make it look better too.
I was considering that but the effect blew up the file size to such a point that i wasn't able to compress it enough

Just host here and link.
I'll definitely check that out

Very nice, great map!
Love the style, that's some beautiful work.
Thanks a lot ! :)
 
Duits is from Northern Dutch duutsch, while Diets came from Southern Dutch dietsch. Also Old Franconian didn't took part in the High German consonant shift. Only the southern parts which became High Franconian, while Low Franconian became Dutch. (Of coure you could just call Nederduits, Franconian and Doetsch as Lower, Middle and High Franconian.)
(or you could call them after their own version of Frankish, so Nederduits would become Frenkisk, Franconian would become Frängesch and Doetsch would become something like Frantses.)
Reminding myself of the dialect continuum triangle it appears we're both right. Not helped by locative naming and renaming.
 
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