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Here's a map of mine to ease your pain

Careful its nsfw. Its a sexy india

Now, that's the right kind of sexy map.
I don't quite get the significance of the green border Rio Grande, Tennessee, Ozark and a couple other bits lie outside of.

I'm sure any female posters who saw it really appreciated the "sperm repository" bit. Perhaps it wasn't 18+, but lord it was not in good taste, not to mention insulting to Pipcard. (Just my five cents. Shall say no more. Have a WIP.)

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this looks amazing, but what time period is it set in? From the borders in Africa I would judge mid-19th century at the earliest, but the borders in America look more late 18th century. I'm curious as to what went on here, it looks like a lot went down
What? He posted a joke map of Hatsune Miku Japan, not even an original idea as it's been done before. You claim he posted 18+ content, but that's a major stretch. He isn't doing what you claim, nor did he violate any rules. This is just another in a long history of poor warnings, kicks, and bans by you.
First, you're confusing the rule-breaking post with mine, and second, who has done a map of a country shaped like Hatsune Miku's hair before?


My take on British/Monarchist America. It has 46 provinces, 4 territories just so you don't have to count. Actually don't know if I'd wanna have District of Columbia exist.
My take on British/Monarchist America. It has 46 provinces, 4 territories just so you don't have to count. Actually don't know if I'd wanna have District of Columbia exist.
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1. Those colours are a bit sharp and conflict too much.
2. Borders seem a tad too convergent, especially on Mason-Dixon and Canada.
3. I feel like at least Quebec would be an autonomous area, and that there'd be at least some native reservations that are officially separate from a province (actually, why are there no reservations on the next-gens?)
4. Would Alaska really have fallen into British hands? It would have been British if the Yanks had not taken it IOTL, but the British have plenty land at this point.
this looks amazing, but what time period is it set in? From the borders in Africa I would judge mid-19th century at the earliest, but the borders in America look more late 18th century. I'm curious as to what went on here, it looks like a lot went down

In the scenario it's based on, Columbus never sailed and America wasn't discovered until over a century later by Russia from the west, so the colonization of America is sort of retarded [1] compared to that in Africa.

[1] In the non-disabled-people-slur sort of way. :biggrin:
In the scenario it's based on, Columbus never sailed and America wasn't discovered until over a century later by Russia from the west, so the colonization of America is sort of retarded [1] compared to that in Africa.

[1] In the non-disabled-people-slur sort of way. :biggrin:
Pleasant to find out there's an acceptable use of the word.


1. Those colours are a bit sharp and conflict too much.
2. Borders seem a tad too convergent, especially on Mason-Dixon and Canada.
3. I feel like at least Quebec would be an autonomous area, and that there'd be at least some native reservations that are officially separate from a province (actually, why are there no reservations on the next-gens?)
4. Would Alaska really have fallen into British hands? It would have been British if the Yanks had not taken it IOTL, but the British have plenty land at this point.
Could you elaborate on #1? I just took the colors from a color scheme. As for the borders, I #1 contemplated on having Russian Alaska, but didn't since the borders would look uglier. As for the Canadian border, that's mostly just laziness on my part, but isn't that implausible if you imagine that the straight lines just become a thing TTL.
Pleasant to find out there's an acceptable use of the word.

past tense: retarded; past participle: retarded
  1. delay or hold back in terms of progress, development, or accomplishment.
    "our progress was retarded by unforeseen difficulties"
Honestly i’m legit mad that the dispute before buried some of the best alternate history maps i’ve Ever seen

The Confederate States of America: A Century of Conflict and Rebirth

“When one imagines America, the United States often comes to mind, and for good reason- it is a beacon of freedom, promising relief from poverty, tyranny, and oppression. This is what the United States was founded for, and will always continue to fight for.”

“But there is a country that shares the United States’ southern border. That neighbor of ours is the Confederate States of America. It is a country that has experienced much since its troubled founding. It has gone from a nation that enslaved African-Americans to ensuring equal rights for all. From believing that one man was superior to another based on his skin color, to have the first Negro president be sworn in in Richmond. This is Dixie: A Century of Questioning, Conflict, and Rebirth, brought to you by Harlem News Incorporated.”

“The Confederate States of America began its existence much like its northern neighbor- born in the fires of war. The election of 1860 put Abraham Lincoln, a prominent abolitionist and anti-slavery figure, into power. The state of South Carolina rebelled over fears of their slaves being taken away by Lincoln’s abolitionist policies. As the weeks went by, Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia, and Florida voiced their support and seceded from the Union, forming what is now called the First Confederate Republic. War broke out over a Union-controlled fort in a Confederate harbor- Fort Sumter- and the two republics began to battle for their political fates. By September 1862 the Confederates were winning the war against the Union- so much that Britain and France formally recognized the Confederacy in February of 1863 and condemned United States aggression against the Confederacy. The british declared war on the United States, and the French followed suit. The British deployed soldiers in Canada, sent supplies to the Confederacy, and the rebels, previously fighting for their lives, now had a fighting chance for freedom.”

“The Union’s hands were tied. The British forced the Union to deploy troops near the Great Lakes and France was cutting off the Union’s Atlantic trade routes. It seemed as if the cause was lost. Yet Lincoln, despite protests in his Cabinet, continued to push for nothing short of complete reconquest of the South. Yet as more young men died and Richmond nowhere close to surrender, Lincoln had to make a choice. Continue the war, and risk destruction of the Union, or let the South go and at least manage to survive? After all, Lincoln thought, the South would collapse on its own, and would eventually be absorbed back into the Union. So Lincoln and Jefferson Davis, the Confederate president, signed a treaty. It stipulated that the CSA, with all the territories it controlled, would become a sovereign, independent nation, complete with all the responsibilities and struggles that would beset it. In addition, the CSA agreed to withdraw from southern Arizona which it had occupied in exchange for ‘fair compensation for its exploits.’ The Confederacy was no longer a band of states united in revolt against the Union. It was a newborn nation, and was about to take its first steps.”

"The Confederacy’s first years were chaotic. Plantations mutinied, the slave population had to be controlled, and the nation’s unity needed to be preserved. After the Davis presidency, the Confederacy needed leaders that had proven themselves effective during the civil war- or, as the Confederacy calls it, the Confederate Revolution. Robert E. Lee quickly proved himself the most capable of this generation of men. He was a skilled general who had commanded the Confederate Army during the war, and was a natural for the office of president. Once president he attempted to preserve the state’s unity, but it took a toll on his health- in December 1873 he suffered a stroke and spent the rest of 1874 invalid. He died in 1875 a national hero, mourned by the entire Confederacy.”

“Lee’s successor, Nathaniel Bradford, was like his predecessors’. He presided over intense debates in the Confederate Congress and constant strife between the state governments. After the administration came Richard Stevens and Donald Shaw, men who continued what Lee had began- the continued unity of the Confederate States of America.”

“At least, during the first year.”

“1890 has been described as the beginning of the end of the First Confederate Republic, and for one small reason- a little cotton-eating insect named the boll weevil. The boll weevil devastated the Confederacy’s economy, a plantation economy that was overly reliant on the export of cotton to Britain and France. This sparked the Cotton Crisis, which ultimately spelled the end of the First Republic.”

“In 1891, the French revoked most major trade agreements with the Confederacy due to the lack of a stable cotton supply. The country’s finances contracted and President Shaw enforced austerity measures to spend as little money as possible over a certain amount of time, while saving money for a national development plan. This was feared by the states, who distrusted Richmond as per Confederate tradition. As such, they resisted any attempts to implement a coherent policy.”

“1892. What seemed to be a relatively small disturbance on the Adamson plantation spiraled out of control, and from there, a series of plantation revolts wreaked havoc on the state of Alabama. The Confederate Army, a long decrepit institution, was called to crush the rebellion. Five months and 20,000 negroes later, the rebellion was crushed, but not without tearing throughout Alabama. Somehow, even after they were crushed, they continued to enslave the Negro, unaware that they had enough of being bonded, of being forced to work on the fields for what seemed like an eternity.”

“1893. The country was in ruins. With no clear plan of action, and with constant string of plantation revolts, it seemed almost inevitable that this experiment would end, and that the Confederacy would end in a way befitting to it. It never was united, and now it would die disunited. However that would not be how it went. By 1893, there were those that had known nothing but the Confederacy, and wished to see it continue on, even if it was not in its original form. On June 8, 1893, several members of this group stormed the Grey House, Congress, and Supreme Court, and demanded that they either surrender and resign, or join the National Council For Harmony.”

“Many states refused to accept the authority of the Council, for they represented an antithesis, a disease to what the South stood for, and they refused to accept the Council’s declaration. Soon after the coup, four southern states seceded, but on their own terms. They were not going to be part of some state-building scheme. They were more concerned about their survival; nothing more, nothing less. They waged a war against the now Council-controlled Richmond government- a conflict that would determine the direction of Confederate society going onward in history.”

“But first, a word from our sponsors…”


“In the beginning days of the rebellion, many domestic and international observers had the expectation that the individual states would crush the then rotting Confederate Army. After all, the Confederate Army hadn’t fought in a serious conflict in over 30 years. Yet despite that, the NCH did not attempt to use the traditional army. With the country’s future on the line, the Council decided to create a more flexible military, one intended to respond effectively to changes on the frontline. Officers would be given more freedom in planning and enacting offensives, as to ensure a more cohesive offensive. However, with the rebelling states pushing against the Confederacy’s advances, something had to be done. That something would change the racial composition of the Confederacy for the foreseeable future.”

"The Confederacy needed men, and in order to fill this shortage, the Confederacy decided to allow any and all negroes to enlist in this New Army. Savannah was liberated from rebel control and the Confederate government now held access to the sea, thus being able to import materials for the war effort.”

“The Cotton War, as the rebellion would be called by future historians , ended with a Council victory. The battles of New Orleans and Mississippi strangled the four rebellious states and the sieges of Jackson and Vicksburg ultimately settled the war in the Council’s favor. The feuding independent republics surrendered to Richmond and the treaty signed ending the war declared, ironically, that any attempt at secession from the government would be, from now onwards, illegal.”

“With the nation unified, the Council began to institute reforms. The Council knew that the unrestricted power of the states had doomed the First Republic and that the constitution had allowed this. The Council also knew that creating a new constitution would also spell disaster for the fledgling military junta. So in the end, they decided on a social program, the Harmonic Convergence. It was a simple fifteen-point program that would direct the country towards economic reconstruction and further development. Some of the points were as follows:”

“Point 1: The Confederate States of America will do whatever it takes to bind its people in an ever greater compact of harmony and unity, unbound by the shackles of oppression and privilege.

“Point 2: To do this, there must be a systematic erasure of any system of exploitation and privilege, whether it be the hierarchy of race, the plantation system, or the lynching of negroes.

“Point 3: In conjunction with point 2, there must also be an upliftment of the Confederate nation from an unequal, race-based monetary system, to one where the people are able to move freely along the economic ladder on their own ability.”

“Point 4: To achieve point 3, the economy of the CSA must be redirected away from an agrarian, mass-plantation economy, to one where the people are the masters of the economy.

“Interestingly enough, point fifteen is both realist and idealist.”

“Point 15: Fulfilling the needs of all Confederate citizens is nigh impossible, but the NCH shall alleviate both the suffering of the white man and the negro, so that they can move past their differences and become a new force. A force for harmony.”

“The Harmonic Convergence stipulated, above all else, the need to develop a strong economy, one that was not bound by any specific resource. A resource that had doomed the First Republic. In the Council’s first few months of rule, its leader, Chief Executive Joshua Milton, established what would be called the Green Movement. The Green Movement first destroyed the plantation elite, executing over a thousand while the rest fled to the Bahamas or Spanish Cuba. But for Milton, the results were satisfactory; the elites that had ruined the South were gone, and now the country could move forward.”

“With the end of one century came the beginning of another, and it was not without risks.”

“Under the Council’s regime, the Confederacy made strides in mending the wounds inflicted by the Cotton War. Though it was a healing nation, it still bore scars that couldn’t be healed, either by incentives or the bullet. These were the scars of state nationalism, the idea that one state could be superior to the other. To address this, Robert Ford, the new Chief Executive, implemented a series of reforms known as the Heart and Soul Initiative. These reforms were meant to create a sense of national unity and moral character that would hold the Confederacy together.”

“By the beginning of the 1910s, the Confederacy was no longer a slave state focused on domination of the negro race. It had instead united them in a compact of brotherhood by patriotism- but also by force. It was a new Confederacy, vastly different from the states that had rebelled against the Union all those years ago. “


“When the Global War began, the world knew that it would not be an easy victory. The Young Turks, a group of officers who were committed to reform in the Ottoman Empire, seized power and allied themselves with the Germans and Russians, eager to support an oil regime against the British and French. The Confederacy, in a display of good faith, joined the war in favor of the Entente. Richmond hoped that between the might of Paris and the Royal Navy, the German-Russian-Turkish Triple Alliance would be crushed easily.”

“They were wrong. The Battle of Ypres, the Alsatian Offensives, and the continued body count would only serve to remind the Entente that this war would not end quickly. By the second year of the campaign, it was estimated that over 3 million men had died in the trenches of the Rhineland. A new kind of war was born.”

“As the war dragged into its fifth year, the US, which was under a Socialist government, entered the war on behalf of the Entente. They argued that the genocide in Young Turks territory would signal the beginning of reactionary proliferation, and that if the US didn’t support the lesser evil, then Socialism was at stake. Most interestingly, the United States was now fighting on the same side as the Confederacy. The irony was not lost on anyone, as two nations that had fought each other for the right to own people, now fought on the same side.”

“After the Global War, the Confederacy saw itself as a nation that had triumphed against the reactionary forces of Europe, and had managed to secure a peace. Yet there was a main issue of returning troops. Numbering in the hundreds of thousands, they had to reintegrate themselves in a society that didn’t have any plans of integrating them. This would spark the beginning of the Confederate Extra Army, an army composed of former veterans who were unemployed, destitute, and angry at a government that saw prestige as more important than their well-being. They began to congregate in the state capitals, hunkering down for months on end. They assumed that the Council would cave in, and give them some stipend for sacrificing their lives for the war. However, no such payment came, and so they continued. Eventually, people saw this and decided to help, seeing their fellow Confederate toil.”

“When news heard, many in the Council hierarchy panicked, for assumed that this was the beginning of a revolution. Many proposed a crackdown on the Extra Army, while others saw reconciliation as the key. The Chief Executive at the time chose the former, and ordered the Confederate Armed Forces to disperse the Extra Army and their supporters.”

“This didn’t go as planned, and what resulted from this decision would shake the country to its core. Violence resulted from dispersing, and over 60 people were left dead. What this did do was incite a spree of violence against the Council and their enforcers. Then came the crackdowns, which only incited more violence. Eventually the Chief Executive called for an end to violence, lest it cost him his head. Surprisingly, the rioters agreed to negotiations. What they wanted was simple, a constitution, the right to vote for their leader, as well as the lifting of many Cotton War-era provisions. The Chief Executive agreed, on the condition that he served as the first president of the new republic.”

“With the legalization of political parties in 1924, there became a flourishing of political parties, and many in the United States saw this as the end of the equalist junta and the beginning of democracy. However that flourishing quickly was suppressed. Many parties that espoused radical ideologies were banned on the spot. Even those that wished to see an end to Harmonalism were also banned. Yet many saw this as an improvement to the old ways, so they accepted some control.”

“However the elections continued to be dominated by the Harmonalist Party, though a number of minor parties began to proliferate. One example was the Upliftment Board, a welfare party dedicated to improving the living conditions of the Upper South region. Then came the Agrarian Party, which was one focused on the destitute Councilers and farmers of the West. Interestingly, there was the SPF, a mostly native coalition who votes in their interests, which is intertwined with the interests of the Harmonalists. While natives in the US have suffered, at least in the CSA they have a voice.”

“1954, the fifth Confederate elections. One of the most intense in the history of the Second Republic. Elijah Miller, incumbent for the past 2 terms, ran against Robert MacLellan, Chairman of the People’s Party. MacLellan denounced the Harmonalist Party as an extension of the military, as well as the enforcers of an increasingly rigid regime. This election, seen by much of the developed world as a gateway to true democracy, would determine the fate of this country. MacLellan’s victory could result in the beginning of true democracy for the Confederacy. However the Harmonalists, with their strong voter base in the Southron People’s Bloc, were re-elected in a landslide despite what many had predicted.”

“MacLellan declared defeat, and would retire from politics at the behest of Elijah Miller.”

“Nearly a century of turmoil and conflict left the Confederacy a shaken mess, and many are now warming up to the conclusion that the negro-mulatto dominated Confederacy is not ready for democracy, and that the United States should do something. Whatever that may be, it is unknown, but for now, the world watches the CSA continue on like nothing happened.”

I just love this, it’s aesthetically the best election map i’ve Ever seen here, and this is probably the one of the best take on a victorious CSA, it’s clear, concise while covering all the important social and economic problem the CSA would face after a victory and trying to logically deduce where this would lead instead of falling into cliche

Just one of the best one shot map/scenario ever made in this community

So, I finished the map I've been working on since late March of 2019.

The good news is, it turned out well! The bad news is, it's even larger than a map which I had a lot of trouble getting to show up on here, via any method I used. So I'm going to have to do what I did with that one, and post a much smaller version here so you can see what it is, and link to the full version.

So here's the small version:


The big one is a bit over ten times larger, in terms of resolution. So don't be surprised if it freezes up your browser for a moment or two when you zoom in.

I’m so glad to see it finished, really the crowning achievement of your timeline, just kinda sad it’s finished. ALso a proof there’s no need to put every single town name to make a realistic map.

Cross-posting from the MotF. A rather fun map to make. Hope you like it!

I love it! The writeup is awesome and it’s probably your best map in that style,
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This map depicts the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) and neighbouring states in an alternate 1300.

The premise is that the Fourth Crusaders never arrive in Constantinople, sparing the City and her inhabitants from the terrible and tragic sack that shattered the Empire.

Instead, the Empire continues onwards without the Fourth Crusade. After Alexios III Angelos dies, the Empire would, over the course of the century gradually expand in Anatolia by taking advantage of the Mongol invasions which devastate the region. The Mongols also attack other countries like Bulgaria as in OTL, which helps relieve the Empire's northern border. The Mongols do not attack the Empire though, due to shrewd diplomacy conducted by the Emperor and Byzantine government (essentially paying off the Mongols in gold, becoming nominal vassals, along with a sending a princess or two). By 1300, the Mongols have split off into the major khanates and the Mamluks have grown in strength in the Levant.

Can also be viewed on my Deviantart.
Cross-posting from my TL. The administrative division of the Danish realm at the time of the 1523 Altercation of State.

Borders are historically correct, although the Ämter of Holstein are simplified (no more inheritance division) and from a 1581 source. Schleswig and Denmark are both correct for the 1520s.

Anyways, here it is:

Here's a little Balkans chaos scenario, with a PoD in 1920. The present is 1995.

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More or less, the red boundaries in the middle depict the disputed borders of the Socialist Union of the Balkans (Balkania). Its border with Romania is stable, more so during its socialist era.
Under that are seven Workers' Republics: Bosnia, Serbia, Albania, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Rumelia, and Thrace; and eight federal cities (in red): Skopje (the capital), Sarajevo, Belgrade, Tirana, Thessaloniki, Sofia, Plovdiv, and Constantinople.
Ethnolinguistically, Bulgaria, Rumelia, and the northern half of Macedonia are all Bulgarian. Thrace has its own identity, distinct from Turks, Greeks, and Bulgarians.
Bosnia, Serbia, Macedonia, and Bulgaria are federations themselves. Torlaks consider themselves to be Serbs speaking a divergent dialect.
- In Bosnia, it is further divided into Bosnia Proper, Bosanska Krajina, and Dalmatia-Herzegovina.
- In Serbia, Montenegro, Sandzak, and Serbian Herzegovina operates an autonomous region.
- In Bulgaria, Ludogorie/Deliorman's autonomous statute is being eroded by the authorities in Sofia.
- In Macedonia, de jure it is divided into Vardar, Pirin, and Western Macedonia. De facto, Pirin is split into Bulgarian-oriented Blagelovgrad and Greek-oriented Chalkidiki.

North of this chaotic nation is the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, with its capital at Novi Sad.
Under it are five banovinas: Danube (Bačka and Banat), Sava (Slavonia and Krajina), Littoral (Istria, southern Croatia Proper, Dalmatia/Zadar), Drava (Slovenia), and Medvednica (northern Croatia Proper).
However, in practice, Yugoslavia is united only in name, with the Slovenes and Croats in effective control of the latter three banovinas.
To Shtokavian Croats, however, this was not enough, and partisan activity is strong in Sava Banovina, Littoral Banovina, and Bjelovar County.
Most believe that Yugoslavia will break up into three: Slovenia (including Kajkav and Chakav-speaking parts of Croatia), Dalmatia-Slavonia, and the Kingdom of Serbian Vojvodina.
Note a different border with Italy and Austria is in place to placate for the loss of the Serbian core.

In the south are three states: the Albanian State, the Kingdom of Greece, and a junta-controlled Turkish Republic (which, with the exception of Marmara Island, cannot call itself European this time).
Due to a split Marmara Straits, and the loss of Smyrna/Izmir, Üsküdar (or Scutari, OTL Asian Istanbul) became much more developed, and is currently one of three major hubs in Turkey, the other two being Antalya (main port city) and Konya-Ankara (capital metropolitan area). Not shown is the Turkish-Armenian border, which is that of the Ottoman-Russian border in 1914; and the Turkish-Kurdish border, which puts cities like Diyarbakir/Amed, Urfa/Riha, and controversially, Van/Wan in the Kurdish side.
Albania was devastated by the loss of Tirana and Durrës , and suffered a pro-Greek coup which ousted Zog I. The current King, Leka II, and his predecessor Leka I, were the result of a monarchial restoration in 1975, preceded by a coup in Greece which briefly led to the formation of the Greek Republic in Europe, and the Kingdom of Greece in Asia.
Despite a brief coup, Greece is a major power in the Balkans, evidenced by a tripartite treaty between Greece, Turkey, and Balkania in 1950 which forced the latter two to allow Greek military ships free passage in the Dardanelles, as well as a no firing zone in the Marmara Straits, where hostilities between the three nations are forbidden there. All of Cyprus is part of Greece here, though the British maintains that the Greek annexation of Akrotiri and Dekheila was illegal. The British civilians in that territory disagree, and many have dual British-Greek citizenship.

Italy suffered a north-south split, with the north remaining a kingdom, and the south a republic. Pantelleria and the Pelagie Islands were seized by the British after World War Two, and are attached to Malta since then.
The Budjak and Sulina are part of Moldova, and Transnistria is not much of a concern. Instead, Cetatea-Albă County (part of the Budjak Region) unilaterally seceded and joined Ukraine (more neutral due to a small stockpile (50 or so) of nuclear weapons, also they are hesitant to do so). The Moldovan government is not pleased.
Romania organized its regions differently, with Hungarian Transylvania and Maramureș (with an added Turda, but excluding Oradea) being one region, and Banat being consolidated with most of Crișana as one.
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Here's a little Balkans chaos scenario, with a PoD in the 1930s. The present is 1995.

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Italy suffered a north-south split, with the north remaining a kingdom, and the south a republic.

I have several questions.
Firstly how did Greece take Western Anatolia after being defeated in Greco-Turkish War/Turkish War of Independence and the Greco-Turkish Population Exchange? I mean it could have plausibly happened during the but seems weird to me, I would like an explanation.

More importantly the Kingdom and the Republic in Italy seems to have been reserved. There could be a good reason but looking at the post-WW2 Italian Monarchy Referendum the South voted to keep the monarchy while the North was republican. Also Rome/Lazio is more southern in character than the north.
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