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The link works, I think it's too big, I don't know how to fix it

Trying to open the link in IE means I can't see the image. Trying to open it in Chrome makes my computer beg for mercy.

I think you will have to shrink the image down, or save it in a different format which has a smaller file size.
 
The Question is Should Hong Kong be part/an overseas possession of the restored United Kingdom or be a part (State/Province) of the Dominion of Malaya and Pacifica?
2nd makes more sense to me...
Btw not sure if there isn´t some more apropriate thread for such questions (damn, I think I would use it too :D)
 
Btw not sure if there isn´t some more apropriate thread for such questions (damn, I think I would use it too :D)

Dunno I thought about opening a thread in after1900 to ask the question but thought that was too much for such a minor thing. A general plausibility check/"I am undecided between several options, which one should I choose?" Thread would be cool if it doesn't exist tho ngl.
 
A rather simple map I made on a Confederate-screw based on the Mexican Revolution.

The general idea was that the United States let the initial Confederate states and Texas secede peacefully. Due to previous border adjustments Arkansas also initially left the union unlike in OTL. However, the Confederate States of America quickly fell into turmoil and civil strife which came to a tenuous end when the United States of America and the Republic of Mexico jointly invaded the Republic of Texas. Texas was reduced to its original territory and has become a de facto American protectorate as American oil corporations pressured the American government to secure these interests. The rest of the CSA plodded along until the Election of 1910 which was marred by electoral fraud. In response, the states of Arkansas, Alabama, and Mississippi declared the resulting Charleston government illegitimate and set up a temporary capital in Montgomery. The Charleston government refused to back down and civil war has broken out. Louisiana has remained nominally loyal to Charleston but has declared neutrality in the conflict. There is also an active secessionist movement in Florida that declared the Republic of Florida in the Southern tip but the rest of the state remains loyal to Charleston.

In order to secure better relations with the international community, slavery was ended in the Confederate states after the American-Mexican invasion of Texas. Blacks are now known as freedmen but they enjoy little to no civil or economic rights. Most are still legally bound to the plantations and freedmen are not even allowed to testify in court. With the resulting chaos brought by the civil war, freedmen have used this opportunity to launch a guerrilla war lighting the Mississippi on fire. At the same time, yeomen, poor whites who are landless or own small often unproductive plots, are fed up with another round of forced conscription utilized by both the opposing governments. Increasing numbers of yeomen have dodged the conscription gangs and many have fled to the mountains and swamps. From these inaccessible areas, yeomen guerrillas (jayhawkers to their opponents) fight both governments. Many of these guerrillas espouse a form of populism similar to agrarian socialism with an emphasis on breaking up the large plantations owned by the First Families whom dominate Confederate politics. On the other hand, plenty of yeomen partisans are basically bandits.

In 1917, on the invitation of the prominent New Orleans families and also to secure shipping along the Mississippi River, the United States of America occupied New Orleans and the surrounding areas. Baton Rouge declared the American occupation an act of war but given its own inability to put down the freedman partisans they have tolerated the occupation.

In the future, similar fragile republics would be known as "cotton republics" due to their combustible nature

Red dots are areas with majority freedmen partisans
Purple dots are areas with majority yeomen partisans

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This is a map for a quick and rather implausible scenario I've been toying with yesterday. The Whites (somehow) win the Russian Civil War, but Biennio Rosso in Italy (somehow) leads to a Socialist revolutionary movement that becomes the kernel of an Italian-led Red bloc. The year is 1940. Nazi Germany's foreign Minister von Neurath just signed a pact with his Integralist Russian counterpart, baron von Ungern-Sternberg. The dotted line through Poland marks the demarcation of the future partition of the unfortunate country, while the Germans have also reluctantly left their ally, Iron Guard Romania, to the tender mercies of Petrograd which is then free to pursue it old claims to Bessarabia. Neither side intends the pact as having been signed in good faith; both are planning a backstab as soon as convenient. Right now, however, Hitler thinks he needs to focus on the Red threat to the south first, and Denikin in Petrograd feels the same, particularly about the Bolshevik remnant in Mongolia (Russia's supreme leader is Aleksandr Kolchak, but Denikin and von Ungern-Sternberg are the actual policy-makers). Will the Western democracies stand idly as Poland is devoured by the twin tyrannies of the Panslavists and National-Socialists, like they just did with poor Czechoslovakia, or will they find common cause with the Socialist International to stop the authoritarian empires?

Map notes.
1) Russia was devastated by the Great War and the ensuing bloody Civil War. The White military junta that has come out on top is authoritarian, Panslavist, and increasingly rabidly nationalistic. Russia is not a nice place to live if you are a Jew, a Muslim, an Ukrainian nationalist, or if you have even vague Leftist sympathies of any sort. While Kolchak's regime is not as massively murderous as Stalin's, and generally saner than most other far-right dictatorships such as Germany, Japan, Brazil or Hungary, the ruling clique in Petrograd is a nasty bunch spewing increasingly unhingedly anti-Semitic rhetoric. The Western democracies regard them as a valid partner, however, as opposed to other, more psychotic regimes. Codreanu is actually running a country in this world after all.
2) The Mongolian Socialist Soviet Republic, or, in Petrograd's parlance, the den of the Judeo-Mongol Bolshevik Horde (TM). Does not help that it actually has literal Jewish Bolshevik nomadic hordes, made of Jewish refugees from Russia who've taken the Mongolian pastoral lifestyle (with collective herds). Von Sternberg is almost obsessively focused on crushing them, by genocide if needed, and he is not alone.
While Kolchak is more pragmatic, the Russian regime as a whole is fairly paranoid about this Bolshevik remnant. Mongolia is technically a de jure part of China, which is part of why Russia has not invaded them yet. The other reason is that the Imperial Japanese army occupying neighbouring Manchuria finds them a useful buffer, not as threatening as Guomindang China and Integralist Russia look like, and then tended to discreetly prop them up despite the deep ideological enmity.
Understandably, the Bolshevik triumvirate (Yakov Sverdlov, Zhou Enlai, and Damdiny Suhbaatar) that effectively runs Mongolia is every bit as paranoid as the Russian clique. Mongolia is militarised and militaristic to a level that would terrify any ancient Spartan. Every resident in the country, with exception of the few foreign diplomats, is formally enlisted in the military from the age of sixteen, regardless of sex or orgin (indeed, the Russian and Chinese exiles form the most fanatical part of the Army: the Jewish and Tatar units are particularly dedicated to the cause). They train regularly and form a very disciplined force. All neighbours, aware of what happened the last time a highly militarized, ideological and unified Mongolia was around, are scared shitless, despite Mongolia's very limited resources and small population (somewhat less than three millions, including about 150K Jews). They would be even more afraid if they knew that the commander in chief of the Red Army in Mongolia is indeed a military genius, in the form of Marshal Tukhachevsky.
Mongolia is the most authoritarian of Red states: Choibalsan's secret police is pervasive in controlling loyalty, and while the regime is not purposefully murderous, everyone is expected to follow the Party line (which is complex, since the state, while not democratic, is multiparty: separate ethnic Communist parties exist for the Chinese and "Russian" - the latter including Tatars and Jews - large refugee communities). While purges are limited, they happen (Mao Zedong being the most notable victim of them) and more generally, a Red Terror mindset is established.
3) The People's Empire of Iran is a Red monarchy. Technically a multi-party democracy, it is now almost completely dominated by an alliance between the radical Communist Qajar Shah and the Tudeh party. A large Muslim (a to a lesser extent, Jewish) diaspora from Russia is among the largest supporters of the Communist government. Closely aligned to Italy, the country keeps a careful foreign policy in order not to become too obnoxious for Britain; for instance, the national oil company is still half British owned. London still prefers Iran to be Red (if reasonable) than Russian, which is why they have not interfered in the Tudeh takeover in 1937. The new regime has modernised the country a lot, and thanks to oil revenues, they are able to actually improve the lot of the average worker and farmer a little bit. Wide ranging reforms include Romanization (imitating Mongolia).
4) Talking about paranoid regimes, Kemalist Turkey is surrounded by enemies, terrified by everyone, and particularly aware of the Russian threat. This means that they actually play sort of nice to the Red neighbours as the least dangerous and hated ones.
Internally, the regime is even more worried as the public opinion is terribly polarised between a pro-Italian Left and a pro-Nazi Turanist far-right. Also, France and Britain are fairly high on the hate list, but the regime feels that dealing with them is easier and safer than allying with the Reds or the Nazis for now. They count as a "pink" state, not Red aligned but on at least decent terms with the International.
5) The collective leadership of the Bulgarian Farmers' and Workers' Commonwealth has also every reason to be paranoid. Codreanu's shenanigans north of the Danube are particularly worrying to the fractious ruling coalition, which basically turned Red to seek Italian backing again a very hostile alliance of Romania, Yugoslavia and Greece that intermittently enjoys both Russian and German support. The country, like neighbouring Turkey, hosts a considerable number of refugees fleeing the more unhinged regimes nearby: its Jewish population is significantly higher than it used to be, as is the case for all Red countries, and Bulgaria now hosts the world's largest Roma population by far, as the Roma people escape the heavy discriminatory politicies of Nazi-aligned Yugoslavia, Hungary and, to a lesser extent, Greece, and the far more murderous ones of the Iron Guard in Romania. Bulgaria is also heavily militarised, though not to the extremes of Mongolia or Palestine.
6) The Polish nationalist junta is learning that shared hatred of Judaism is not common ground enough with either Russian Integralism or German Nazism. However, their Anti-Semitism is not nearly virulent enough for the liking of either enemy, even though by now most Polish Jews have left the country, mainly to Palestine, Argentina and Chile.
7) Finland is a thriving democracy, generally quite a bit more Leftist than in our history, but not really Red either. They count as another "pink" state. They do not know how badly the Russian Integralists do want to subjugate them again (Kolchak's personal moderation covers the point a little), and alliances with Sweden and Estonia are not going to be of much help with it. Estonia is a closely allied "democracy", also relatively pinkish, but the Baltic German origin of a disturbingly high number of White Russian high-ups is a good reason to worry. Sweden too is very, very polarized, with a large Nazi Party opposing the ruling Social Democratic rather Leftist coalition.
8) The Kingdom of the Serbs, and on paper of the Croats and Slovenes too, though the latter two tend to feel quite alienated. Not officially Integralist, but basically Berlin-aligned and so far in good terms with Russia as well. Persecution of Roma and Jewish people is done with some discretion, while the Albanian minority, seen as Italian fifth columnists, is the target of an aggressive Slavicization campaign that is failing badly. The Bosniak and other Muslim communities are also emarginated, though not yet openly persecuted. In Fiume and Dalmatia, the Italian minority is quite larger than it used to be due to anti-Communist refugees from Italy, who ironically are very privileged instead. This irks many Croats, who tend heavily to the Left even if it is suppressed. An Ustase movement, extremely virulent, also exists, that the regime officially bans but does not quite persecute because the Nazis are allies and the Italian Commies are The Enemy (TM). Slovenian intellectuals have flown to Italy in droves and as a result the Slovenian national identity is markedly Socialist in nature - its activity flourishes in Trieste and is repressed in Ljubljana.
9) La Repubblica Italiana degli Operai e dei Contadini (Italian Workers' and Farmers' Republic), the cradle of the world's Socialist revolutionary movement, declared in 1921. A Socialist Workers' state with remarkably nice policies overall. The Red Terror (officially ended in 1923) is a distant memory by now, and Chairman Gramsci, who heads a multi-party collective leadership notionally chosen through workplace democracy, has been able to avoid the worst excesses that plague, for example, Sverdlov's Mongolia.
The Revolution had it prices though, notably the loss of all colonies and the renounciation to Bozen, Fiume and other border areas to the Northeast. This did not mollify the Yugoslav government however, which is still a sworn enemy. Nor did it relax the relations with Austria, and Germany after Anschluss, since Bozen and its area, now under Nazi rule, host a large Italian population of "Fascist" and Monarchist refugees. While the area is now ethnically majority Italian, it also contains the most militantly hostile demographic around. South Tyrol's Gauleiter Rodolfo Graziani is arguably the most vocal enemy of Socialist Italy within Nazi Germany's upper ranks.
For the many anti-Communists expelled, Italy has welcomed refugees from increasingly nasty Central and Eastern European areas. Many of those Bolsheviks and German Communists, and other revolutionaries, who did not join the Mongolian SSR found asylum here, including Rosa Luxemburg and Alexandra Kollontaj; so have many Jews (the Jewish community being four times as large as IOTL), Roma, and homosexuals, from Germany, former Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Romania, and Russia especially. Italy is one of the very few countries where sexual orientation is entirely recognized as a personal matter, and same-sex couples have the same (fairly minimal) legal recognition than heterosexual ones have. This is regarded as mildly scandalous even is some fellow Red countries.
Albania, reduced by Greek and Yugoslav naked landgrabs postwar, is notionally an independent country but effectively run as an autonomous part of Italy.
The Papacy is still in Rome, and while the Italian Communist government is extremely secular, relationships are cold but somewhat approaching correct. Gramsci has no desire to irk Catholic sentiment any more than he has to.
10) Red Spain is the result of a bloody civil war ended in 1934, and therefore is not as nice as Italy (whose help proved decisive for Red victory in Spain). The Church, if not actively persecuted anymore, is markedly unwelcome. Red Morocco, while being one of the cradles of the Revolution (having started turning Red years before Spain itself), is to Red Spain roughly what Albania is to Italy. Nearby Corporatist Portugal is by far the sanest right-wing authoritarian regime around; relations with Madrid are in the range of decency, as opposed to the venom coming from Berlin, Bucharest, Tokyo, Rio de Janeiro and, to a lesser extent, Petrograd.
11) The Red victory in the Spanish Civil War included a bargain whereby most Spanish colonies were ceded to either France directly, French Morocco, or Portugal (the island of Annobon). Red Morocco remains in principle a part of the Moroccan Sultanate which, combined with the Spanish cession of northern Spanish Sahara and Ifni to the French protectorate, has made the Moroccan elites extremely interested in Democratic Communism. The French try to suppress this without much conviction, as the French body politic itself is highly divided and a few protectorate officers are actually closet Socialists (also, Spain and Red Morocco would protest any large crackdown). If decolonization happens, Morocco is likely to end up as part of the Red bloc.
A surge in Jewish refugees, here mostly from Greece and Romania, also happened here.
12) Ethiopia is the second Red Monarchy, alongside Iran. The Italian Revolution allowed then Regent Ras Tafari to take over most of Italian Eritrea and Somalia, in concert with Britain and France, but this only increased Italian cultural and political influence in the end. The death of Empress Zawditu led to a succession crisis whereby in the end, Imru, the Red Negus, took over with the backing of a small, multi-ethnic Communist Party led by a group of Italian trained officers (mostly Eritreans). Ethiopia has been modernizing steadily in the last decade with considerable Italian, Red Moroccan and Bulgarian help, more recently overtaken by a major Palestinian commitment. While tensions, especially ethnic, are rampant, Negus Imru is generally well-liked and the standards of living tend to improve. The disgruntled and dispossessed anti-Communist faction of the aristocracy, now mostly in exile in Egypt, is of course not pleased, but they are few and Imru is willing to reconcile if they finally write off their old confiscated estates. Ethiopia, like all Red states, has welcomed large numbers of refugees. Obvious historical ties have made Imru particularly willing to accept European Jews, but African and African-American asylum seekers such as anti-colonial or civil rights activists, including a few from the US, are also in significant numbers.
13) With over a third of its total population, Argentina is the leading partner in the South American Union of Socialist Republics. The social upheaval that eventually led to the establishment of Socialist governments and the formation of the Union following the failure of older elites all over the Southern Cone and Andes to deal with the Great Depression, was a drawn out process between 1930 and 1936, and it entailed civil wars in both Peru and Bolivia, and wars between the Andean nations. The SAUSR is now the destination of choice for (mostly heterosexual; open homosexuality is accepted in Italy and tolerated in Palestine and Iran, but even in the rest of the Red countries still carries somes stigma) Europeans escaping the repressive regimes in Germany, Russia and most places in between. Jews are being actively invited in, and they now number over two million and half in Argentina alone, and almost four million in the SAUSR as a whole. Following the rise of the America First Party in the United States, a trickle of North American Jews has also started coming, especially in the wake of Charles Lindbergh's election as POTUS.
14) Chilean revolutionaries supported the Red side in the convoluted Peruvian and Bolivian civil wars, resulting in Chile keeping its dominant Pacific position against the nationalists in both countries. However, with the establishment of the SAUSR, Bolivia has now access to the sea, as all border barriers have been abolished.
15) Likewise, Ecudorian support for the Socialist alliance was critical in the defeat of the Peruvian military junta. This resulted in a settlement of Amazonian claims that favoured Ecuador and Colombia, which the new Peasant Soviets of Peru were happy to subscribe to. Ecuador's leftist military junta joined the SAUSR shortly thereafter. Colombia has got all its territorial ambitions and a general pledge to be left alone, which worries the right-wingers but seems satisfying to most.
16) SAUSR/Spanish military and diplomatic support, and North American isolationism, allowed Augusto Sandino to take over Nicaragua. Neighbours differ: Costa Rica is a bourgeois democracy which drifts more to the left than historically, they have decent relations (a "pink" state). Guatemala, Honduras and Salvador are militantly reactionary, albeit not Integralist, and hate Nicaragua with a passion. Nicaraguan Red Terror has been brief and relatively moderate, but the country is now with Mongolia among the least democratic Red Bloc countries.
17) The Chilean revolution has treaded lightly with the British firm that effectively owned most of Easter Island's economy, but they have retained sovereignty here and are heftily compensating the owners for the majority shares, now owned by the Chilean government and the natives' cooperative.
18) East Turkistan is von Ungern-Sternberg's diplomatic masterstroke. The local puppet regime acts basically as Petrograd's enforcer in the area, and is granted much leeway as long as it plays along in boxing in the Mongolian Bolsheviks. China is markedly unhappy about the whole thing, but there is very little they can do except insisting that Russia is not allowed to touch Mongolia itself.
19) Tibet's well defined borders are also a pet project of von Ungern-Sternberg. The Dalai Lama's court, however, has been adamant in not letting any further Russian interference.
20) Iraq is larger, but its people are hardly any happier about the continued British presence, even if the country is now notionally a sovereign nation. The Kurdish and Assyrian minorities are even less happy. though by now most Assyrians have voted with their feet and are living in either a Red country (Iran, Argentina and Ethiopia having proved actively welcoming) or elsewhere (mostly Russia or the US).
21) With rabid Anti-Semites essentially running Russia, and then a very large part of the rest of Central Europe, Palestine has seen a substantially larger influx of Jewish immigrants through the Twenties, before a whole new set of positively attractive destinations has opened since the Red Revolutions everywhere are making a firm point of sheltering persecuted Jews, Roma, and others (such as Assyrians or Russian Muslims, and of course Leftists). This also made the vast majority of Zionist Jews far more leftist and internationalist than would have been the case otherwise, turning the whole Palestinian project into something very different from the orginal plans. As the main refuge for persecuted Jews has become Argentina, and Socialist South America in general, while more rightist Jews can still go to British Dominions (especially Canada) or France and its colonial Empire (especially Morocco and Tunisia), the Socialist Palestinian yishuv has turned less of a settler venture and more of a social experiment. At present, the British Mandate of Palestine has two million and half inhabitants, almost evenly split between Jews and Arabs, with other minorities forming the balance so that Arabs would have a razor-thin plurality. The Jewish and Arab progressive groups have found a shaky agreement to a joint rule.
While Palestine is still technically under British mandate, it is effectively self-governed by a democratically elected coalition that includes the interethnic Left Socialists, the Jewish Mapai, the predominantly Arab (Left) Liberals (basically a moderately leftist bourgeois party) and a radical anarchist coalition born out of the Kibbutz movement, but now also turned interethnic. Revisionist Zionists, religious parties Jewish Muslim and Christian, and various stripes of Arab nationalists (including a very small anti-Jewish pro-Nazi party) form the opposition. The consensus however among both mainstream Jewish and Arab politics is to build an inclusive state with strong Socialist institutions, which include high military preparedness lest Germany, Russia, or anyone else attempt anything funny. The result is a fairly militarized society, though nowhere near the levels of Mongolia, Japan, or Brazil.
22) During the Italian revolution, Britain, Ethiopia and France essentially partitioned Italian colonial holdings (Greece got the Dodecanese). France reached a grudging understanding with the Tripolitanian Republic, but then repressed the fractious state and created a colony in coastal Tripolitania which is getting many European settlers (including many anti-Communist Italian exiles). The rest of the area is a French protectorate. Britain had an easier time with the Sanusiyya in Cyrenaica, which became a British protectorate partly through their Egyptian reluctant proxy. Egypt itself is also notionally independent by now, though under major British influence.
23) The deal about Iraq and Syria included larger French mandates in formerly German West African colonies.
24) And the unraveling of the Spanish small colonial empire got France a few more colonial scraps. Portugal also gained Annobon in return for stopping meddling in the Spanish civil war. While Portugal is a Rightist authoritarian state, they do not share the lunacy of Integralist regimes, let alone the Nazis or the Japanese "National Way". (Iron Guard Romania is generally counted as Integralist, even if is way farther out than any other Integralist state or major party; even the Nazis have their doubts about them on occasion).

EDIT: Ireland should not be unified as a part of Great Britain, of course. I had actually edited the map accordingly, but apparently I messed up something in uploading the edited file.
 
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Map of jesuit missions n S. America NOT MADE BY ME from here:
I think I ll use it as as a reference for my jesuit american empire, mwahaha
Kind of a jerk move that they themselves link directly to the image, meaning we can’t see who actually made, or at least posted, it. Also means we can’t find their other work. I suppose that is what reverse good image search is for, though. And I would say instead f something using the title of empire, or even the description, it goes for being the equivalent of a place using the title of Islamic Republic. The Jesuits might still keep a higher placing than bishops or cardinals though, as in general the upper classes and Europeans tried to keep Asians, Africans, and Americans from being bishops, monks, nuns, priests, anything of that sort. Oddly, when I look up the Chiquitos, the page shows their missions being in Bolivia.
 
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Kind of a jerk move that they themselves link directly to the image, meaning we can’t see who actually made, or at least posted, it. Also means we can’t find their other work. I suppose that is what reverse good image search is for, though.
No need for a reverse image search--as the account's bio plainly states it just reposts stuff from r/MapPorn, the inclusion of the image resolution in the description makes it obvious that the description is just the title of the original reddit post, all you have to do is search for the title on the subreddit and it's right there.
 
In my English 2 class, we are reading Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi. The story is about her childhood in Iran during the Islamic Revolution. It inspired me to make this map, of an alternate history where the Islamic Revolution turned into a full-blown Iranian Civil War.
Like @Analytical Engine I'm surprised there's no Baloch Independence but an alternative could be Pakistani intervention for fear it would incite rebellion in their own Baloch lands.
Also, I don't think Afghanistan would pass up the chance to expand into areas where they have done so many times in the past
 
Like @Analytical Engine I'm surprised there's no Baloch Independence but an alternative could be Pakistani intervention for fear it would incite rebellion in their own Baloch lands.
Also, I don't think Afghanistan would pass up the chance to expand into areas where they have done so many times in the past
Like this:
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Also, Afghanistan got conquered by the Soviets in this TL. They wouldn't have the military capability to do anything.
 
But if the Soviets are backing Afghan claims how about Soviet "advisors" "supporting" their Afghan "allies"

Wouldn't this risk alienating the communists in northern Iran, though? Maybe there are "Afghan" "Peacekeepers" in eastern areas? The fact that there are a lot of Russian speakers is purely coincidental, Comrade.

They could also try to make inroads into Azerbaijan to "unify" it

I wouldn't be surprised if they send "aid" to Kurdistan as well.
 
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