Map Thread XIX

Interesting idea.
What's going on in the middle East?
Looks like the British still beat the Ottomans, but didn't feel the need to give France anything.

Purple is presumably a Hashemite state, dark green Saudi Arabia, and light green is Iraq, less Kurdistan (perhaps also Hashemite, but separate from Syria + Hedjaz).

I also see a Kurdish protectorate as well as South Yemen, Trucial States and Qatar, and colonies in Lebanon, Palestine (almost certainly Jewish), North Yemen, Oman, and Kuwait.
This is basically it! Although Germany was categorically not allowing France to have anything so Hashemite Syria more happened out of necessity. Iraq isn't quite in the British sphere (it's Shia-run, for one thing), and Palestine is going somewhat OTL, although High Commissioner Lawrence is trying to restrict Jewish immigration as tensions continue to rise.
 
Yo what up, me again. Finished the map so posting it. Feel free to ask questions, comment, give criticism, etc. Ideas for the future of this timeline includes a longish Korean-Japanese War, A Turkic and a Tibetan dynasty ruling China at different points, a South China ruled by Vietnamese, Christianization of Indonesia and West Africa, colonization in the Americas, rise of the Inca, different dynasties taking over European Empire, Scandinavia becoming independent or liberated by the Norse, Unification of Russia, European Empire collapsing into several claimants before reuniting and the Christian Empire falling apart, along with some more branches of Christianity.
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I would love to see that TL expand
 
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Soviet invasion of NATO. Did this real time, updating the map as I do most of the story in my head (Sort of like a history video I guess)
Finally! I can answer most questions.
 
I would love to see that TL expand
Thanks! I do plan to update later with this timeline in later years of history. I was not thinking about diving into the details of it however even if I had some ideas about the British Religion (which is intended to be similar to Japanese Shinto) and some historical events. Oh and also planned to add a Confucianism/Taoism (yeah I know they are different) style philosophical religion/belief system in the European Empire. Another plan for the far future of the timeline is to have one of the sides in Cold War equivalent to be "Meritocratic" sort of Confucian Bureaucracy/Technocracy thing. Will probably use Plato's Republic as an inspiration for the European Imperial philosophical belief system.
 
Yo what up, me again. Finished the map so posting it. Feel free to ask questions, comment, give criticism, etc. Ideas for the future of this timeline includes a longish Korean-Japanese War, A Turkic and a Tibetan dynasty ruling China at different points, a South China ruled by Vietnamese, Christianization of Indonesia and West Africa, colonization in the Americas, rise of the Inca, different dynasties taking over European Empire, Scandinavia becoming independent or liberated by the Norse, Unification of Russia, European Empire collapsing into several claimants before reuniting and the Christian Empire falling apart, along with some more branches of Christianity.
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What is the nature of the Britannian Faith? I am assuming that it is not simply a form of Germanic paganism, as it is not included under that category.
 
Pod: An Ice Age began between the 18th and 19th centuries and wiped out the societies we know.

Letter from a Madrian monk to the court of the King of the Iberic Empire after his numerous trips around the Mediterane:

We are 1000 years after the arrival of the Great Cold and our old continent continues to agonize under the eternal snow and ice as the winters pass.
The world has suffered the wrath of God for having strayed from the path to follow. The mighty empires in the north of the Mediterane continent, Erope, have suffered the coming of glaciers destroying crops down to the ground, castles, towns and villages. These ancient empires fought for survival with powerful armies wiping out what little remained of the continent. Entire peoples fled south to protect themselves from the cold towards the Mediterane, causing with them the disappearance of all the known peoples of the time. The numerous wars that followed created new coherent groups of people dominating the last viable lands of the region.

In the West, the Madrian Empire dominated the lands of the Iberic Peninsula and the western Mediterane as far as Italy. Its capital, Madres, already existed before the Great Cold. The kings who reigned there were already coming from the North welcoming their brothers from the north of the Pyrenees. It is difficult to know the ethnicity of the inhabitants and their origin in such a vast and varied empire. But faith in the Roman papacy (despite certain heresies such as "Saint Pasteur", a demigod doctor who can cure any disease with needles of the ancient world) and its King made Madres the first power. With her powerful flying machines she travels the Afrikane continent and brings back many riches from her trade. Many explorers set off in the snows of the north to find the ancient cities of the time and their wealth.

In the centre of the continent appeared the Empire of Mittelerope. This Empire was born from the many peoples who descended along the continent. Over the centuries they formed a powerful federation and threatened the interests of the Madrians. Some of these emperors are trying to regain the legitimacy of an ancient so-called Germanic empire that ruled in the far north. Their faith, although claiming to be Christian, is not homogenous and has many deviant sects that do not recognise the authority of the Pope and his dogmas. However they have aims on the whole of the Italian region as well as the holy eternal city: Rom.

The last of these empires is in the East. It bears the name of an ancient eternal city: Konstantinopole. The people of this empire are unique and come from the far north and have crossed the black ocean to chase heretics from their holy city. Although their faith resembles ours, they do not seem to accept the primacy of the Holy Pope. Their faith is led by many patriarchs gathering in Konstantinopole. Konstantinopole is a powerful city with numerous walls and fortresses. It is said that before the great cold it was by the sea. Their faith seems to be gaining more and more success in the East by repenting in distant empires. We owe it to ourselves to maintain good relations with them so that our pilgrims may still have access to the Tomb of Christ.

We must also keep an eye on Afrikane, which is more and more in our orbit despite its recurrent instability. We need to keep our vassals of northern Afrik as well as our outposts near the great Niger River.
However, we must prepare ourselves. The health of the Rom is seriously ill and the heretics of the north are preparing to descend upon us.

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Map of the Mediterane continent located in the Madres Palace. This map still bears the mention of the continent "Erope".

I hope you'll like this universe and the accompanying map (I still have trouble with pixel art in decorum) If you wonder what the distorted names mean, don't hesitate (they're distorted with French phonetics). If enough people are interested I could do the rest of the world in other maps like this. :)
Can we expect a North American map at some point? It would be interesting to see what’s become of the early settlers; by 1750 there were some 3 million in what would become the United States alone...
 
Can we expect a North American map at some point? It would be interesting to see what’s become of the early settlers; by 1750 there were some 3 million in what would become the United States alone...
I started to imagine North America, but I still need to learn more about the America of the time and its potential for change, not to mention the emergence of a whole new climate.
I started numbering publications. The next one will probably be on Sahelian Africa. With the migrations coming from Europe this last one is likely to change a lo
Edit: Also what I may not have specified enough, this climatic cooling was progressive between 1700 and 1800, becoming more pronounced after this date. Even if for individuals a thousand years later the nuance is irrelevant, it will explain some things in my future maps.
So would the farmland emerging from the oceans be usable for human activities (I think the salt in the ocean must be a problem for agriculture)? If not, after how long are they usable?
Also someone would have the biomes of this map?
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What is the nature of the Britannian Faith? I am assuming that it is not simply a form of Germanic paganism, as it is not included under that category.
It is supposed to be a syncretic religious combination of Celtic and Greco-Roman faiths with Britain mostly remaining free from the Germanic Migrations. However Germanic Paganism would definitely influence it with trade, raids and even some smaller invasions. I was thinking that their primary god is Apollo of Greco-Roman paganism as the god of the Sun, Poetry, Music, Divination and Medicine. The Emperor is also seen as divine and directly descending from Apollo. The Celtic/Irish goddess of War/Battles Morrigan would also have an important role in the pantheon as Goddess of War, Death, Magic and the Night. Druids and nature would also have a big part in the faith. A combination of Zeus/Jupiter and Thor would be a sky-storm god (might also absorb Vulcan's domains of Blacksmithing and Volcanoes because of the hammers) who has several stories about messing things up with either Thor's battlelust or Zeus's regular lust. There would be some Hammer wielding Demigod heroes in British mythology I imagine. A Loki/Hermes combination of a trickster god of beggars, thieves and travelers as messenger god would probably also exist. I have not studied Celtic mythology much so can't give much more examples but Celtic gods (with some Roman and Germanic influences) would make up the majority of the pantheon.
 
I started to imagine North America, but I still need to learn more about the America of the time and its potential for change, not to mention the emergence of a whole new climate.
I started numbering publications. The next one will probably be on Sahelian Africa. With the migrations coming from Europe this last one is likely to change a lo
Edit: Also what I may not have specified enough, this climatic cooling was progressive between 1700 and 1800, becoming more pronounced after this date. Even if for individuals a thousand years later the nuance is irrelevant, it will explain some things in my future maps.
So would the farmland emerging from the oceans be usable for human activities (I think the salt in the ocean must be a problem for agriculture)? If not, after how long are they usable?
Also someone would have the biomes of this map?
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There are salt-tolerant varieties of rice bred specifically to grow in reclaimed paddies, among other things. 19th century Europe would likely not have had them but rice was common enough that they could have been bred independently over a century or two.

Other crops also can be bred in a similar manner, though most dry-land crops are more sensitive.

There was a long history of using reclaimed land for agriculture in pre-modern and early modern Britain, Holland, and Ireland; I think that crops were commonly sown within a few years of reclamation.
 
Recently I saw a thread about a Protestant Habsburg Dynasty and my mind took a vacation off exam preparations to go wild and mass butterfly until... well, this map.
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Yo what up, me again. Finished the map so posting it. Feel free to ask questions, comment, give criticism, etc. Ideas for the future of this timeline includes a longish Korean-Japanese War, A Turkic and a Tibetan dynasty ruling China at different points, a South China ruled by Vietnamese, Christianization of Indonesia and West Africa, colonization in the Americas, rise of the Inca, different dynasties taking over European Empire, Scandinavia becoming independent or liberated by the Norse, Unification of Russia, European Empire collapsing into several claimants before reuniting and the Christian Empire falling apart, along with some more branches of Christianity.
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I do have some comments/criticisms: why does Hellenic Paganism still exist in the Roman Republic? Surely the Christendom would have conquered it at some point. However, what also doesn't make sense is the Roman civil war between imperial forces in Egypt and Republican forces in Greece and how the former was able to co-opt Jesus. Rome only took Egypt AFTER Augustus Caesar came to power (the same with the annexation of Judea), which would have been butterflied away due to the Roman Republic collapsing. I also think a better PoD would be Rome not taking Gaul from this Kingdom. If Rome still has Gaul, it is more likely than not that this new Celtic Kingdom would become a client state, and eventual province, of the Roman Republic/Empire.
Or how do the Germanic tribes manage to take over the Gaulic Kingdom? They only expanded into Western Europe due to the Romans allowing them in, something that the Celtic Kingdom would most likely not do. Or the Norse Kingdom, for that matter? If you want it to exist, why is it in the farther north Lapland instead of Finland?
 
I do have some comments/criticisms: why does Hellenic Paganism still exist in the Roman Republic? Surely the Christendom would have conquered it at some point. However, what also doesn't make sense is the Roman civil war between imperial forces in Egypt and Republican forces in Greece and how the former was able to co-opt Jesus. Rome only took Egypt AFTER Augustus Caesar came to power (the same with the annexation of Judea), which would have been butterflied away due to the Roman Republic collapsing. I also think a better PoD would be Rome not taking Gaul from this Kingdom. If Rome still has Gaul, it is more likely than not that this new Celtic Kingdom would become a client state, and eventual province, of the Roman Republic/Empire.
Or how do the Germanic tribes manage to take over the Gaulic Kingdom? They only expanded into Western Europe due to the Romans allowing them in, something that the Celtic Kingdom would most likely not do. Or the Norse Kingdom, for that matter? If you want it to exist, why is it in the farther north Lapland instead of Finland?
Honestly the only question I can actually give a real answer/explanation for is the Norse and even that is mostly implausible.

1. I mean early Caliphates didn't conquer Anatolia until the Turks came but you do have a point there since many more years have passed.
2. Caesar still existed and conquered much of Gaul (and yes that Gaulic Kingdom did become a Roman client) The Gaulic Kingdom's center was in Switzerland and it mostly expanded to southern Germany and Elsace, leaving much of Gaul for Caesar to conquer. Rome did take over Egypt later and then collapsed. Thought to be fair I thought I had more time till the AD times when starting from Caesar and didn't fix that after realising there really wasn't that much time since I had already pretty much done the map. The idea of the Gaulic Kingdom came to me after I decided I wanted a China style long lived cycle of dynasties style empire and then ever that most such things I saw was Mediterranean centered Roman Empires and I wanted something different.
3. Being distracted mostly and time. Distracted by Wars against Roman Republic and Wars over the Western Mediterranean (first from Roman remnants, then losing to Christians and then bunch of back and forth wars with some Roman invasions of Italy as well). The time thing is that they fought long against Germanic tribes but eventually lost like Mongols conquering China in a way.
4. About the Norse they were originally centered in Sweden and Norway. But eventually lost those to the Empire. Their center in the time period shown on the map is actually Iceland. Lapland being a later conquest/colony by them. They would eventually take Norway and atleast parts of Sweden from the Empire.

I am not sure if I managed to explain myself here but generally I agree that your criticism is valid and that this was mostly ASB for enjoyments sake.
 
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