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I don’t think the examples he cites are much use at all; nomadic cavalry vs early industrial warfare.

A somewhat modern and industrial China is an extremely tough nut for what seems like a Russian-centric polity to crack.

Your timeline at the end of the day but nothing unites China like a foreign opponent, at least in the modern era.

The Collectivist Internationale might have been initially Russian-centric, but it's...well, "evolved" in the similar way that "English Socialism" morphed into the barely recognizable IngSoc.

Also, keep in mind that in OTL, the Chinese still succumbed to infighting and social turmoil amidst modernization and industrialization. Not to mention how even outside threats didn't really stop the at times bitter feuding among the warlords, Communists and Republican claimants.

In the setting, a combination of simmering tensions, increasingly draconian measures to maintain order, the assassination of the Emperor and the hasty circumstances behind the Regency's founding resulted in a kind of "perfect storm" for socio-political collapse in much of China. It's also implied that this helped to "discredit" the Mandate of Heaven to a degree, further sowing the seeds of Chinese Republicanism.
 
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I feel an explanation on Palestine is needed. What happened to the Jews and why on earth were the Gaza Strip and West Bank swallowed up? Syria or Lebanon would surely snag a bit of land themselves. If they did, I imagine countries would try going around the packed Palestinian areas. It seems as though Palestine and Palestinians have been completely wiped off the map.
 
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I problem here, WTF happened to Pakistan? They'd rule the muslim world if they were left alone with them.
 
I problem here, WTF happened to Pakistan? They'd rule the muslim world if they were left alone with them.
That is a big one, though I am stilling looking at Palestine and other places as well. Such as how in one map China is seizing land from Myanmar it doesn't claim, how Canada is taking Greenland (which as Denmark has stated, they are unable to sell even if they wanted to, as it is a country in personal union, part of why IOTL both Greenland and the Faroes Islands kept themselves out of the EU), and why the Canadians did not take Wrangle Island, the only island north or Russia they have actually occupied in the past. Also a lost opportunity for- lost my train of thought typing the other stuff. Maybe it was about putting the capital of the UAR in Jerusalem or Jaffa?

@Cool-Eh, this is a fun idea, but I feel you might want to make a thread for it. Not like this map or series is something that brings out dozens of pages of posts on here like some others had (and thus needed their own threads in order to avoid clutter) but I feel something like this has a lot of variables, including the many all of us have talked about in the past here. Might be something indepth could be made with my eyes. I think the Kazakhs now having all of the Aral Sea, and with less demand for cotton, might mean that they could fill it back up more quickly on both sides, though I expect the the Uzbeks are rerouting the water anyways. Could be the Kazakhs get more from up north. I cannot see any reason for Iran to expand into other Muslim states so much. They may have some linguistic or religious similarities, but rolling in with tanks is just going to ruin relationships, and prevent those countries from acting as Buffy zones and ways to colonize on the sly. Though I suppose it goes allow them close to land able to be colonized. Seems the Turks might be mildly annoyed at Iran annexing the Turkish ethnics of Azerbaijan, and the Kurds had never been a real issue for Iran. Why is there no North African state for Muslims in the Christian World?

And where the heck did all the Bosniaks go in the Muslim world? Clearly the Croatian colors there. Albanians would have also moved into Montenegro quick. I see Macau and Hong Kong mo longer have their special status here, but given the world, plus the time that passed, legally the treaty about it would have expired by then anyways. What is the story for Korea? Why didn't Thailand get the areas of Mayasia they used to own, or at least allow a small state for Malayasians from Thailand? Or something for the Rohingya. Only a couple hundred thousand of them in this world though, assume they aren't finished off by Buddhists Nationalists or something who think all non-Buddhist countries have vanished and it wssnup for them to finish it off. No Tamil state either.

Over in the Christian world, I see the Caribbean was switched around. No Monroe Doctrine about the French expanding onto th eother half of St. Martin which is alright I suppose, and if the neighbors agreed for Suriname, why not? Not sure what horse trading was down for the US to leave Guantanamo and move into eh Cayman Islands. Guessing that goes into the UK losing many of its remaining overseas areas, including to Australia here (even though the reason most stay with the UK is because they choose to stay) though I don't see how the thing with the UK itself works. Northern Ireland might simply join the EU on its own, if it didn't stay with England or Scotland. Wales would need a border inside it to show autonomy too, I am thinking. Also, you have Austria annexing Liechtenstein. I suggest against it. And if you do? Make the white dot of Liechtenstein black and put national colors to the left and right. Otherwise it looks like that small area had tripled how wide Voralburg is. I feel Venezuela would have first crack at the former Dutch Islands (I approve at the Americans adding on the British Virgin Islands to their own), that the Bahamas might get the Turk and Caicos as the islands have NEVER shown interest in being (much like Greenland, despite the claims of Canadian newspapers), and- wait, did you give Canada Jamaica? And if so, does it have a territory color rather than a province? I see you also snuck in a strip of land for Bolivia, even though Chilean offers IOTL was to share a port, not the Strip as well. Did you have Kenya expand its own borders? A lot of their own land was already Somali around there, so it seems most likely Somalis would be the first to settle it, rather than the land further out.
 
I feel an explanation on Palestine is needed. What happened to the Jews and why on earth were the Gaza Strip and West Bank swallowed up? Syria or Lebanon would surely snag a bit of land themselves. If they did, I imagine countries would try going around the packed Palestinian areas. It seems as though Palestine and Palestinians have been completely wiped off the map.

I had to think about how to handle Palestine, in its unique situation of being recognized by most of the world but not controlling so much of the its territory.
In the chaos after the separation, the West Bank (in its smallest definition, not including East Jerusalem which stayed with Israel) ended up annexed to the Jordan province of the UAR and the Gaza Strip to Egypt. The uninhabited Golan Heights were re-annexed to the province of Syria and yes some of the northern areas to Lebanon.

The Jews were not allowed to reestablish Israel and all settlers were evicted from Palestine, so resettled in the former Israeli lands in the UAR but they suffers significant discrimination there (surprise) so most left for either Turkey, which allowed Jewish settlement in Greece, Albania, or the re-established USA.
 
That is a big one, though I am stilling looking at Palestine and other places as well. Such as how in one map China is seizing land from Myanmar it doesn't claim, how Canada is taking Greenland (which as Denmark has stated, they are unable to sell even if they wanted to, as it is a country in personal union, part of why IOTL both Greenland and the Faroes Islands kept themselves out of the EU), and why the Canadians did not take Wrangle Island, the only island north or Russia they have actually occupied in the past. Also a lost opportunity for- lost my train of thought typing the other stuff. Maybe it was about putting the capital of the UAR in Jerusalem or Jaffa?

@Cool-Eh, this is a fun idea, but I feel you might want to make a thread for it. Not like this map or series is something that brings out dozens of pages of posts on here like some others had (and thus needed their own threads in order to avoid clutter) but I feel something like this has a lot of variables, including the many all of us have talked about in the past here. Might be something indepth could be made with my eyes. I think the Kazakhs now having all of the Aral Sea, and with less demand for cotton, might mean that they could fill it back up more quickly on both sides, though I expect the the Uzbeks are rerouting the water anyways. Could be the Kazakhs get more from up north. I cannot see any reason for Iran to expand into other Muslim states so much. They may have some linguistic or religious similarities, but rolling in with tanks is just going to ruin relationships, and prevent those countries from acting as Buffy zones and ways to colonize on the sly. Though I suppose it goes allow them close to land able to be colonized. Seems the Turks might be mildly annoyed at Iran annexing the Turkish ethnics of Azerbaijan, and the Kurds had never been a real issue for Iran. Why is there no North African state for Muslims in the Christian World?

And where the heck did all the Bosniaks go in the Muslim world? Clearly the Croatian colors there. Albanians would have also moved into Montenegro quick. I see Macau and Hong Kong mo longer have their special status here, but given the world, plus the time that passed, legally the treaty about it would have expired by then anyways. What is the story for Korea? Why didn't Thailand get the areas of Mayasia they used to own, or at least allow a small state for Malayasians from Thailand? Or something for the Rohingya. Only a couple hundred thousand of them in this world though, assume they aren't finished off by Buddhists Nationalists or something who think all non-Buddhist countries have vanished and it wssnup for them to finish it off. No Tamil state either.

Over in the Christian world, I see the Caribbean was switched around. No Monroe Doctrine about the French expanding onto th eother half of St. Martin which is alright I suppose, and if the neighbors agreed for Suriname, why not? Not sure what horse trading was down for the US to leave Guantanamo and move into eh Cayman Islands. Guessing that goes into the UK losing many of its remaining overseas areas, including to Australia here (even though the reason most stay with the UK is because they choose to stay) though I don't see how the thing with the UK itself works. Northern Ireland might simply join the EU on its own, if it didn't stay with England or Scotland. Wales would need a border inside it to show autonomy too, I am thinking. Also, you have Austria annexing Liechtenstein. I suggest against it. And if you do? Make the white dot of Liechtenstein black and put national colors to the left and right. Otherwise it looks like that small area had tripled how wide Voralburg is. I feel Venezuela would have first crack at the former Dutch Islands (I approve at the Americans adding on the British Virgin Islands to their own), that the Bahamas might get the Turk and Caicos as the islands have NEVER shown interest in being (much like Greenland, despite the claims of Canadian newspapers), and- wait, did you give Canada Jamaica? And if so, does it have a territory color rather than a province? I see you also snuck in a strip of land for Bolivia, even though Chilean offers IOTL was to share a port, not the Strip as well. Did you have Kenya expand its own borders? A lot of their own land was already Somali around there, so it seems most likely Somalis would be the first to settle it, rather than the land further out.

The land China took from Myanmar is not currently claimed by the PRC but is by the ROC.

Yes perhaps I should have shown some recovery in the Aral Sea.

The expansion of Iran and others is based on the idea that without oil flown out and money flowing in a lot of the middle east basically collapsed and new governments.

I must confess, there is some Canada wanking for its own sake because I am Canadian. I this scenario Greenland actually votes to join Canada as a territory with autonomy similar to Nunavut, they were not permitted to remain a territory of Denmark. Independence was the other option. St. Pierre and Miquelon joined the province of Quebec.

Capitol of the UAR is Cairo because is is fundamentally and egyptians controlled state, not a union of equals.

Iranian expansion into Azerbaijan was needed to access the north caucuses and otherwise was into areas where government control had collapsed.

The Kurds temporarily established an independent states following the separation, when it came time for the partition or Iraq they fought back much more forceful than the rest of the country. This landed them exile to South Africa, most of the Kurds came from Turkey, but Iran is closer so they maintained influence.

Regarding a North African Muslim state: Most didn't want to go back, the Southern European countries wanted to retake their former colonies for themselves, and they were offered Hejaz instead.

The Croatian colours are a Bosnian and Croatian state, I just used the Croatan colour, its majority Bosnian.

China dissolved its autonomous cities when their autonomy was not needed to make foreign trade run more smoothly, hong kong was annexed when its special privileges expired.

Korea is actually reunited under the control of the south, but all under the influence of China, who decided once the USA was gone backing Soul and not Pyongyang was the obvious choice.

SE Asian countries were not permitted to expand at all, singapore was annexed by China.

The US wanted the Dutch islands for bases, there wasn't much Venezuela could do about it.

Yes the remaining British territories are satisfied with the situation. The UK didn't want to keep them anymore to cut costs.

Actually I have the monarch abdicating and Liechtenstein joining Switzerland as a canton, and I drew it exactly as you suggest its just so dam small you can't tell.

Jamaica and Barbados have joined Canada as provinces TTL, other islands are territories and further incorporation of the english speaking caribbean is ongoing.

A new deal was reached between Chile and Bolivia, and Peru didn't veto it this time.

Yes, Kenya expanded their borders to the Juba river, and the land beyond that was made the Somalia state of the East African Federation. There was significant advocacy for a reestablished independent Somalia, but Ethiopia was strongly against and the EAF thought a state was enough. Also people said look at the disaster that was Somalia before the Separation, we don't want that again.

That was a lot. Thanks for your questions and sorry if I missed any in my disorganized reply's. :)
 

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That is a big one, though I am stilling looking at Palestine and other places as well. Such as how in one map China is seizing land from Myanmar it doesn't claim, how Canada is taking Greenland (which as Denmark has stated, they are unable to sell even if they wanted to, as it is a country in personal union, part of why IOTL both Greenland and the Faroes Islands kept themselves out of the EU)
I know some people here (in Denmark) will disagree with me, but this is not actually true. Constitutionally, Greenland and the Faroe Islands don't have any special status, and is not in a personal union as the country is de jure unitary. Still no way we are selling though.
 
Some Random Axis Win. No Backstory. It's just meant to be calmer.
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2nd Level Subdivisions:
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Germany:
1st Level: Teilung
2nd Level: Kanton
German Poland:
Same as Germany (It is German Controlled)
Hungary:
1st Level: Vidék
2nd Level: Megye
Bulgaria (In Latin Alphabet):
1st Level: Blok
2nd Level: Okrug
 
Oh, age old question, heh.
I used this to help someone else, so keep in mind that it might look a bit different. By default, PDN is set to this:
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You want it to look like this when you have a paint bucket tool:
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Oh sorry, I was referring to aliasing in ms paint. I switched from ms paint to paint.net mostly because you could toggle it.
 
Brothers of Socialism Tour Guide website, circa 2014

Interesting: that's a bit too effusive in its praise of Peerless Leader and blandly optimistic to be anything but propaganda, but to what degree is it presenting a false picture? The fact that the USSR is still around in 2014, along with a bunch of OTL (formerly) Marxist countries,[1] seems to indicate that there was some sort of serious reform, but of what kind is hard to say (although probably not democratic: the fact the only direct flights seem to be from communist states would seem to indicate a cold war is still ongoing).

[1] What's "the European Pact for Socialism?" A rebranded Warsaw Pact?
 
Iranian expansion into Azerbaijan was needed to access the north caucuses and otherwise was into areas where government control had collapsed.

I'll also note Azerbaijan is Shi'a and historically Iranian territory before Russia took it from them: I imagine a lot of Iranian nationalists would be in favor of annexing it. (Of course, some Iranians would grumble that the country has too many non-Persian people already)
 

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Interesting: that's a bit too effusive in its praise of Peerless Leader and blandly optimistic to be anything but propaganda, but to what degree is it presenting a false picture?

[1] What's "the European Pact for Socialism?" A rebranded Warsaw Pact?

It's presenting a semi-accurate picture, given how the revolts during the late 70s and early 80s were dealt with via the doctrine of Tarakism and swift, decisive action. There's still the occasional crowd of villagers protesting the usual policies of social equality and socialism, but those are swiftly taken care of. Afghanistan, for the most part, is relatively stable.

The fact that the USSR is still around in 2014, along with a bunch of OTL (formerly) Marxist countries,[1] seems to indicate that there was some sort of serious reform, but of what kind is hard to say (although probably not democratic: the fact the only direct flights seem to be from communist states would seem to indicate a cold war is still ongoing).

Indeed. It was more along the lines of combined effort by market reformists who pulled a Deng and initiated reforms to compete with the West in the global economy, as well as in the communist world. They did not however, go along the lines of Gorbachev, and when some reformists wanted to go for political reform, they outright refused, and silenced any democracy movements, whether it was in Russia or the other SSRs.

[1] What's "the European Pact for Socialism?" A rebranded Warsaw Pact?

Indeed it is. It was created to counter the Western European Union, with the intent of evenly developing the former WP as well as creating a stable economic pact, given the Soviet-backed coup in Romania following an aborted insurrection in 1990.
 
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