Map Thread XIX

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by water123, Jul 2, 2019.

  1. DracoLazarus Ouroborus Cataphractus

    Apr 1, 2015
    Isola Electris, Empire of the Sky Isles
    So a scenario just for the evulz. Absolutely not serious in any fashion. You will notice Germany's beautiful, bordergorey Eastern border as it seeks to contain the Bukovina, Banat and Transylvania Germans. Also, Legionary Czechoslovak Rhineland for the win.

    January 1939 : the Meteorite STN-666 "Morgenstern" strikes the Earth near Nürnberg, German Reich. It is recovered by elements of the Schutzstaffel (SS).
    March 1939 : German troops occupy Central Bohemia and Moravia. A breakthrough in the study of the Morningstar Meteor results in the mass production of a mephitic smoke, which is breathed in by numerous members of the Schutzstaffel, including Reinhard Heydrich.
    April 1939 : After one month of deep disease, birth of the Hydra, from the darkest pits of amorality of Heydrich and the hatred of Hell.
    July 1939 : Heydrich is named Reichsprotektor of Bohemia-Moravia.
    August 1939 : beginning of the Czech Exodus, through Slovakia, Hungary, and then Romania or Yugoslavia.
    September 1939 : beginning of the Unholy war. Poland falls in four weeks to the joint assault of the German and Soviet armies. The performance of the SS-division Drakul is noticed.
    December 1939 : The SS-divisions Drakul and Hydra break the Slovak republic, annexing it to the Reichsprotektorate of Bohemia-Moravia. The Slovaks soon join in the exodus.
    April 1940 : Beginning of Operation Weserubung. Germany invades the Nordic countries. The involvement of the SS-divisions brings in Sweden, which makes the fall of Norway a much more difficult endeavor than expected.
    July 1940 : Mussolini invades Greece. The French put up "Greek soldiers, please stop here, you enter French territory" signs in Menton.
    August 1940 : Hitler is forced to launch a large operation in the Balkans, to securize the oil supply threatened by strategic Entente purchases and the hostility of the Carlist government, which has already resisted the Soviet threats, as well as rescue his incompetent ally.
    February 1941 : SS-divisions strike into Switzerland, capturing all of the Nazi gold and managing to pass it for an Italian raid thanks to heavy bribing.
    March 1941 : Hitler invades Italy. Mussolini capitulates, the King and his family evacuate to Sardinia; the Papacy evacuates to Avignon.
    June 1941 : Operation Cobra's Fangs meet a deadly end when a suddenly appeared Saint Joan of Arc annihilates the SS thrust into the Ardennes. Meanwhile, the armored German offensives through Northern Belgium and Northern Switzerland are met with poor levels of success. This is however but a diversion for Case Werwulf, the landing by airship of a regiment of a thousand nazi vampires and their cyborg Major. Despite the valorous resistance of the British soldiers and the effective use of Britain's trump Alu-card, London falls, as well as much of Southwestern England, to the demonic hordes. The British governments moves to Cardiff. Japan instigates a Franco-Thai conflict, which escalates into a partition of Thailand.
    July 1941 : French counter-attack in Belgium and Switzerland. The Germans are pushed back to the Rhine and a roughly straight line from the bend at Basel to the sea, following the Rhine, becomes coated in holy fire, making the German forces incapable of advancing onto French protectory. Meanwhile, King Arthur returns to Cardiff, Excalibur and all. He rallies the English troops and manages to stop the German advance in Britain. Alexander Anderson and the Papacy's Section XIII "Iskariot" coup the Irish government, obtain Northern Ireland and join the war as the Irish Paladinate.
    October 1941 : the Hydra coups the Fuhrer. Göring and Himmler are executed, Hess manages to escape, barely, to England, where he is executed.
    November 1941 : Initiation of the Undesirable Gestion Protocol. People start flee as much as they can what is increasingly known as the Höllereich - the Hell-realm.
    February 1942 : the Rodina marches West.
    March 1942 : the Rodina is now short its entire army.
    April-September 1942 : French intervention in Spain.

    Over the next thirteen years, the Hydra would capture most of Asia, only being stopped by Japanese krakens like the Mongols were by a storm, the Indus's holy waters, and a certain gold-loving individual in the Himalayas. Now, the Höllereich gathers its forces for a mass assault on Jerusalem, even as the Entente is said to have prepared a new weapon, from the Limousin pechblende, and gallons of holy water of Lourdes.
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  2. mdc_1957 Still present here

    Jan 24, 2010
    Manila, Philippines
    Here's one more map entry for the RDNA-verse, right in time for the end of the year, covering the remaining Free Nations of East Asia, an element of the setting that until recently had been largely ignored. The DeviantArt version can be found here.

    The map, in addition to being a distant descendant of this 2010 entry, serves as a significant retcon/rework for both the Sovereign State of Free China and the Empire of Japan, which both haven't really seen any development since 2011. It's also an opportunity to much more properly begin fleshing out the lore for both powers, as well as the Kingdom of Joseon, and their significance in the wider setting. It's at once familiar yet rather difference, to say the least. I also made a point to incorporate various elements of each nation's respective histories in a way that would make sense in-universe.

    Also, and once more, this is a work of fiction. This is not a political or ideological screed. The politically incorrect details in the map and text as deliberately in-verse. In addition, depiction is not endorsement.

    At any rate, hope you enjoy. Banzai!


    The Free Nations of the Far Orient: General Introduction

    Encompassing nearly 12,000,000 square km., the vast expanse of East Asia has historically been among the most significant regions of the world. Indeed, many of the Oriental peoples who reside here go back thousands of years into Antiquity, most notably the Chinese. Such cultural and political legacy endures still among the surviving Free Nations, for good or ill, in spite of being at the very fringes of the Collectivist Internationale.

    The history of this corner of the globe, varied as it is, is at once distinct yet tied with its most prominent cultures. Over the course of a few centuries, the ancient lands of China saw the fall of the Ming Dynasty in 1640, the subsequent ascension of the Manchu or Ch'ing Dynasty, and an uprising in 1754 that brought about the native Fanrong Dynasty. This latter period, in turn, saw a gradual consolidation of power and by the mid-19th Century, a push for modernization that made the so-called Middle Kingdom on par with the Great Powers by 1910. In the islands of Japan, meanwhile, an age of civil war (known locally as the Sengoku Jidai) led to the rise of the Edo Shogunate in 1606 and a period of relative isolationism. This state of affairs was shattered in the 1850s amidst both growing pressure from Western powers and Fanrong reforms, resulting in the old Chrysanthemum Throne being properly restored in 1863 and a similar if even more ambitious drive towards modernizing itself. Then, there's the Kingdom of Joseon, which though nominally a "tributary" to the giant realm across the Yalu River and Yellow Sea, managed to preserve its integrity and Korean culture. This firm desire to hold itself from being at the mercy from either its neighbors or the Europeans approaching their ports would make it a neutral mediator and trading hub, which served the ruling House of Yi well.

    While the Terror's impact in East Asia was not as dramatically immediate as in Europe, it would nonetheless leave lasting scars on the region's remaining Free Nations. The crumbling of old Russia, combined with the breakdown of economic trade, prompted the Chinese Empire to enact increasingly stringent measures to clamp down on dissent, which were made more complicated by both secessionists and growing political discord. With the assassination of the Yongli Emperor in 1928, however, a Provisional Regency was hastily established in Nanking, which proved incapable of holding the fraying country together. As more provinces succumbed to disloyal governors and militant groups backed by the Internationale, the Regency was forced to move further south to loyalist-held territories in Fukien, Formosa (also known as Taiwan), Canton and Hainan. Allying with the Japanese and American Federation, these "Free Chinese" soon established a network of fortifications to fend off the slowly encroaching Collectivists. Yet by the 1930s, any hopes of liberating the mainland in its entirety within a decade dissipated. Combined with a growing perception that the Mandate of Heaven was lost forever, this contributed to the Enlightened Revolution of 1937, with republican elements within the Regency (known as the T'ung-meng Hui or "United League") abolishing millennia of Imperial rule. It wouldn't be until the Min-ch'uan Reforms of 1958, however, that proper democracy would be embraced and the Sovereign State of Free China truly began reasserting themselves as a major power in their own right, warts and all.

    The Empire of Japan fared somewhat better by comparison. Although Imperial Japanese forces failed to stop the Collectivists' march through the shattered remains of the Russian Empire, and were themselves forced out of what was Karafuto Province in 1929 (though not before heavily fortifying the Kuriles), their efforts were said to be instrumental in slowing the enemy's expansion and allowing many more Russians to escape, including the somewhat assimilated Roshiajin in the island of Hokkaido. Through its alliance with the Free Chinese, a defence pact with Joseon (until 2003) and the support of the Royalist "Three Crowns," the realm also became (and remains to this day) a crucial military, naval and atomic vanguard against the Internationale in the region. The Japanese are also known for more than their martial prowess, however, or for the samurai clans that have since joined the aristocracy. Despite the constant threats, these have failed to stifle the gradual democratic reforms that had been enacted since the Restoration of 1863. Though barely noticeably at first, this eventually brought about the emancipation of natives like the Ainu, greater liberties for all citizens and the establishment of a firm civil counterbalance against any internal threats, among others. That this aided in its rise as an economic and technological power on par with the New World, as well as its emergence as a hegemon strong enough to influence Free China in a manner that mirrors somewhat the predicament of the Legitimate Union of Brazil, could not be discounted, either.

    The Kingdom of Joseon likewise fared admirably, at least initially. Despite sporadic attempts by rogue Chinese generals and later Collectivist forces to invade the peninsula from 1929 to 1950, the Koreans proved themselves to be stubbornly defiant, winning a series of valiant if costly battles before permanently securing the Yalu River from further incursions. As time went on, however, growing fears of subversive elements within Joseon's government and alleged interventions by the Japanese in local affairs began breeding militant groups and secret societies, many of which became enamored by the examples set by Australia, Colombia and other Reactionary states. Codifying a form of Reactionarism promoting the supremacy of the Korean race, a firebrand military commander named Chang Myon-seon secretly brought the disparate factions under one banner (known in English as the "United Front") in 1988, while gradually building up support for his cause among the Royal Armed Forces. Eventually, this boiled over with the 2003 Summer Coup, ostesibly in response to a supposed ceding of sovereignty to Japan. Though superficially retaining elements of the Royalist government, to the point of paying homage to the Phoenix Throne, in practice the new regime almost immediately proceeded to remake Joseon in its image, with King Yeong said to be in power only as a puppet. Severing ties with its neighbors, it joined the League of Neutral Defiance in 2007 and has since been extolling the return of Joseon to its rightful place in the world. Although there remain dissidents, backed by exiled opposition officials, the armed strongholds along the borders, now bolstered with Australian arms, have remained firm. At least for the moment.

    Even in such a reduced form, the remaining Free Nations of the Far Orient still offer much for enterprising visitors and foreign powers alike. Few would deny that they have not earned their place in the Free World, or done their part in keeping the flames of freedom against the darkness and its obliteration of the self in the name of its Will.

    - "The World Almanac of Nations." American Federation. 2023 Edition.


    For added trivia, the Romanization for the Chinese terms and placenames used is derived from the archaic Wade-Giles system, which in real life was eventually replaced by Hanyu Pinyin (though variations persist in modern Taiwan). Amoy, for instance, is the older rendering of Xiamen, while Fukien is that for Fujian. Similarly, the Korean used is based on the McCune-Reischauer system, which in real life was used in South Korea until 2002 and remains utilized in altered form by North Korea.

    The Free Chinese flag is based off of the Five Races Under One Union flag (itself derived from the Five Elements in Chinese symbology), meant to represent the five major ethnic groups of Imperial and later Republican China (the Han, Manchus, Mongols, Muslim "Hui" and the Tibetans). The emblem is that of the Twelve Symbols (also based on traditional Chinese symbolism).

    The ruling T'ung-meng Hui is a reference to the real life Tongmenghui secret society/underground resistance, which eventually became the Kuomintang/KMT. Coincidentally, the Min-ch'uan Reforms are a nod to Minquan, one of the Three Principles of the People in Sun Yat Sen's republican philosophy, which translates to "democracy." While the last Fanrong sovereign is named posthumously (if ironically) after the last monarch of the Ming Dynasty, the Yongli (or "Perpetual calendar") Emperor.

    In addition to the Japanese flag incorporating a stylized version of the Imperial Seal (based on the Emperor's own Imperial Standard), the country's evolution is based on both Taisho Democracy and to a degree, Post-War Japan.

    The Kingdom of Joseon's flag and emblem are a combination of the real life ones used by Joseon until the 19th Century and those of the short-lived Korean Empire (which lasted until 1910). The rise of Reactionarism among the Koreans in the timeline, however, is a combination of the militarist takeover of Japan in the 1930s and the rise of Fascist Italy (complete with the retention of a powerless monarchy).


  3. VigilantSycamore Well-Known Member

    Oct 24, 2015
    Anyway, back to the same scenario I've posted a bunch of maps for in this thread, here's a map of the most common first languages in each voivodeship of the Polish-Lithuanian Federation according to the 1900 census:


    And here's a map using the same data but showing the second most common first language for each voivodeship:


    Masovian and Kashubian are considered dialects of Polish but are listed separately on the census, in part because the dialects are more divergent from "standard" Polish than IOTL. Rusynian is the TTL equivalent of Belorussian, but with more influence from Polish and Lithuanian and less influence from Russian, Rumelian is just the TTL term for the Bulgarian language, and while Moldavian is technically the same as Transylvanian and Wallachian there's still some debate at this point ITTL between the three groups as to what their collective demonym should be, so for now the census calls the language Moldavian.

    Each of the languages shown on this map is an official language of at least one constituent Republic, but if we were only considering official languages of the Federation as a whole then we'd only see Polish, Silesian, Czech, Moravian, Yiddish, Estonian, Moldavian, Lithuanian, Latvian, Rusynian, Galician, and the recent addition of Sorbian. You'll note that German, despite being a dominant first language in two of the Republics, isn't an official language Federation-wide (for geopolitical and historical reasons involving Prussia, Brandenburg, and Austria) - part of the German Peoples' Party platform is to change exactly this, with some members of the party even advocating for the unification of the German-majority voivodeships as the German Peoples' Republic of the Polish-Lithuanian Federation, and the more extreme members advocating for German secession and unification with the North German Republic. The part about making German an official language at the Federal level is popular with their constituents, the other parts not as much but they still have their supporters.

    It's also important to note that "most common first language" does not necessarily correspond to "most common ethnicity" - for instance, even the German-speaking residents of Pomerania would be more likely to consider themselves Swedes or Pomeranians than Germans.

    For reference, here's a map where all the voivodeships in each of the constituent Republics are the same colour:


    In 1900, the Republics are Bohemia, Courland, Lithuania, Poland, Pomerania, Prussia, Silesia, Galicia, Moravia, Rusynia, Moldavia, Estonia, Livonia, and Lusetia.

    Moldavia is also part of the Dacian Group, meant to foster co-operation between Moldavia, Transylvania, and Wallachia, and one proposal being debated by the Dacian Group is accession to the Federation by Transylvania and Wallachia, either as separate Republics or by unifying with Moldavia. There are also ongoing negotiations with the Hungarian Provisional Government over the possibility of Hungary becoming a Republic, although the biggest obstacle there is the fact that Austria is in turn trying to convince the HPG to let Lower Hungary be annexed by the Holy Roman Empire, using full unification with Upper Hungary as their bargaining chip.

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  4. Miranda Brawner Trans Woman

    Oct 24, 2013
    Tampa, Florida, US
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  5. VigilantSycamore Well-Known Member

    Oct 24, 2015
  6. Bob Hope rarely online

    Dec 31, 2016
    Portsmouth UK
    And here's a map using the same data but showing the second most common first language for each voivodeship: @VigilantSycamore

    Very good, caught my interest straight away
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  7. Petros >Peter Fergus< Well-Known Member

    Oct 25, 2006
    Communist Ottomans!
  8. The Plainsman Some call me Bazinga

    Apr 27, 2017
    Some city in Kansas
    This is the sort of maps I wish I can make. But honestly, I never know where to do research or bring myself to do so.
  9. Tsochar Well-Known Member

    May 9, 2010
    I started out filling in Victoria 2 province maps in seashore (apple equivalent of mspaint), then when I wanted to expand my skill downloaded GIMP and messed around with that a bit. I wouldn't call myself a great map maker by any stretch, but I've made stuff that people seem to like.

    For my research, I generally read the relevant wikipedia articles. Those can give you a good foundation from which you can develop a better understanding of your chosen time period and place, although for more detailed or obscure information I sometimes end up looking for more specialized sources, which can come from anywhere.
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  10. The Plainsman Some call me Bazinga

    Apr 27, 2017
    Some city in Kansas
    Thanks man.

    Motivation has been somewhat of an issue for me, so I'll need to work on that. But this info will definitely help me out.
  11. HeX Self-Proclaimed Disney Expert

    Sep 21, 2018
    Disneyland, U.S.A.
    Very nice. I've always liked the idea of an Intermarium-type nation in Eastern Europe, since that region always tends to get either screwed over or absorbed in the majority of the maps here.

    Quick question--is this a Q-Bam or an M-Bam? I can never tell.
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  12. tungsterismapping Activity's a sine curve.

    Mar 2, 2019
    A Republic from my first Turkish Civil War scenario. The Republic of İzmir. The Population is a rough estimate I made with a popullation counter. Whatever.
    Here's the Subdivisions:
  13. Drex Alférez de caballería

    Apr 23, 2017
    Regum Valentiae, Monarchia Hispaniae
    Q-BAM, but 4x larger. M-BAM is 3x, but the whole map has been redone to fit the "1-pixel standard" of the BAMs.
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  14. VigilantSycamore Well-Known Member

    Oct 24, 2015
    Thank you!

    And I didn't remember what kind of map I'd used as a template, but I checked and it's a QBAM. Here's the link to the template I used, in case you want it:
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  15. Ernak Master of WIPs

    Nov 9, 2017
    Zhili Province, State of Righteous Harmony
    Interesting concept, but I'm curious as to why China would fall easily to the Collectivists, especially since China would have the manpower to defend/overwhelm any enemy (Such as the case with the Japanese Empire OTL). Did China suffer under an extended warlord era, one where they were unable to rally together against the Collectivists?
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  16. MuricanTauri1776 Well-Known Member

    Apr 17, 2016
    China has almost never been successfully defended. Mongols (Yuan), Manchu (Qing), Uyghur (An Lushan), British (Opium Wars, Century of Humiliation), French (2nd O. War, CoH), German (CoH), Japanese° (1st S-J war, WWII). Given the Collectivists would have China from the North, and the Internal Enemy (lookin' at you, *Mao), China would not stand a chance if the AmFed and Free World were fighting for their lives elsewhere, which I suspect they were.

    °Japan would have won eventually without American and Soviet interference, and Mao was gifted Manchuria by the USSR and propelled to victory.
  17. Kento Kei Hyama Leader of Ahikto

    Dec 6, 2018
    London, United Kingdom
    Just a very simple water gradient test
    The land was not important, so it's just a random landmass

  18. Bytor Well-Known Member

    Feb 18, 2015
    Kitchener, ON
    This is a work in progress of Canada from my alternate history timeline "Balance of Power". I'll be updating it as I work on it. Not sure I like it, as I wasn't intending it to look so 1990s school atlas after exporting from QGIS.


    The year is 1886, a census year, and the first one after the Dominion Land Survey and provisional districts were created in the North-West Territories to manage immigration and the growing population on the Great Plains and eastern Rockies.

    Map on DeviantArt.
  19. PopulistBean All Hail Richard M. Nixon

    Mar 3, 2019
    Question: How do you color in Inkscape?
  20. mdc_1957 Still present here

    Jan 24, 2010
    Manila, Philippines
    MuricanTauri beat me to it. And while he's largely on-point, just to add: while the Chinese Empire prior to the Terror was strong enough to have avoided a severe Century of Humiliation, there were still tensions beneath the surface, mainly from secessionist groups, ambitious nobles and provincial governors, and a divided government. The assassination of the Emperor, combined with the Provisional Regency's hasty efforts to re-establish order pretty much plunged the country into unrest and civil war.

    Granted, China's fall to Collectivism didn't happen overnight, and a period of warlordism persisted into the 1940s-50s. But all things considered, the Free Chinese being able to hold onto Hainan, Taiwan and parts of both Fujian and Guangdong is in itself something of a "success."
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