Map Thread XIX

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by water123, Jul 2, 2019.

  1. PauL62 Well-Known Member

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    Just a as card please: this is here an alternative map of America, circa 1600, where vikings and roman civilisations survived, and colonize the continent, with the chinese:

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  2. KolyenuKS not a farmer I think

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    ~300 years after St. Pierre and Miquelon was isoted to a virgin earth, but with a twist: they were given enough food and medicine until they could start their own farms and stuff (also they became immune to any disease, which became hereditary) All of the population came with, but there was 2 canadian ships in the immediate area, which was the ancestors of the Canadian Government in Exile. the former territory of St. PaM is now a refueling area, with a voyage to bermuda being done in 100 pt (post transportation), and there's many small caribbean camps for prisoners. It was found out early that there are people here, and the natives are being 'civilized', and the Wabanaki Confederacy is the closest to be a part of the New United Nations (hq's in St. John's), the population of the Uptimers is around 50,000, with most of them being on Newfoundland.
     
  3. Imperator Frank Tellurian Worldbuilder

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    How early/late in the Bronze Age are we talking? What’s the climate and topography like there?
     
  4. B_Munro Member

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    There's no way in hell that the US is going to ally with the Third Reich, unless we're also proposing president Lindbergh or something.

    There's a short AH story by Ward Moore (author of the famed early AH story "Bring the Jubilee") on this theme, called "A Class with Dr. Chang." Japan never attack the US, which ends up sitting out the war, which ends in an at least partial victory for the Reich. Unfortunately, failure to ever engage Fascism and a a feeling of having been left out of world-changing events leads the US itself to eventually go fascist (or "Americanist") and Dr. Chang's class ends badly.

    Unusually considerate ASBs! :)
     
  5. KolyenuKS not a farmer I think

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    [Insert French Name Here] the ASB prefer to not have a death scenario, also because there's only 6k people there so it wasn't that hard
     
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  6. Eparkhos_Ton_Trapezous Dux Theodoros ton Khaldeia

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    Late-Late Bronze Age. Iron is beginning to be used in Acara, which is far to the north.

    As for climate...

    Lanneseveksia is hot-jungle, the Ashal and Onedanga (directly west of the Ashal) are savannah, the lands to the north (Acara) are temperate plains and the Great Wastes (huge desert to the north-west) are basically the Iranian Desert, complete with the salt pans. If you'd hang on for a few minutes, I'll slap together a basic map to better illustrate.
     
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  9. Oxander Stepping Lightly

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    I don't care about the rest. I love this and I love you for bringing it into my life.
     
  10. Selvetrica Duke of Corn

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    With the Telephone map game ending I can now post my monster. Enjoy Roman Bohemia
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  11. MrMonsterGuy18 Ultraviolet Troubleshooter

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    While in America, the Mormons had been forced into exile many times, from Missouri to Illinois to California, but during this time other arrangements would be made. A Mormon missionary by the name of George Q. Cannon had went to Hawai'i to spread his churches beliefs, and he enjoyed relative success, even getting the bible translated into the native Hawai'ian tongue. In the aftermath of the Mormon-Californian war, LDS President Brigham Young looked for a new place to locate his followers, and it was brought to his attention that Hawai'i was having a population shortage, and that a large group of natives had converted to the church. They boarded boats and set off for Hawai'i, looking for new homes and a chance to live in peace. When they got there, tensions rose between the Mormons and non Mormons, and the natives who converted where ostracized with those who moved over for being colonists and colonial supporters. While the king tolerated them, he raised a special tax on them and didn't permit them to own land. As they worked under the Hawai'ian upper class, their funds slowly drained, and President Young decided that the best way to deal with this was to restart the United Order, with some more overt socialistic tendencies, and to refuse to pay the taxes levied on Mormons. This sparked a military reaction from the Hawai'ian government, and shortly afterwards the death of Hawai'i, as the Republic of Deseret was proclaimed. The LDS Church seized control of the country, removed the upper class from power, and heavily encouraged conversions. While this was successful, it did aggravate some within the church. This state of affairs was maintained for a long period of time, as Deseret would ship out fruits and ship in the additional goods the needed, until the 1956 Revolution, where the LDS Church was forced out of power and the state was forced to secularize.

    After secularization, terms and term limits where introduced upon the Deseret President, in addition to the development of a Parliament and Prime Minister. Now politics are divided between two main groups, the Liberals who seek to privatize industry in an attempt to further secularize the state, and the Labor Party who seek to further remove capitalistic elements from their government.


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    Map translation:
    Top right: Republic of Deseret, Circa 2019
    The islands are just the Hawaiian islands, but Honolulu County is still called Oahu
    The big words in the ocean are "Pacific Ocean"
    Box in the bottom left: Republic of Deseret
    Population: 922,824
    GDP: 76,076,000,000 DD (Roughly $82 billion)
    Religion: 91% LDS, 9% Other
    *: National Capital (Which is on Honolulu)
     
  12. KolyenuKS not a farmer I think

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    Great map, but where do you find/download the mormon alphabet? I've been interested in doing a mormon graphics timeline
     
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  13. Tethys00 Mod of r/imaginarymaps Donor

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    >Mormon Hawaii
    >Map uses the Mormon Script
    This reminds me of a map I posted a while back.
     
  14. brasband13 Emperor of Deseret

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deseret_alphabet Wikipedia has a fair article on the Deseret alphabet.
     
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  15. MrMonsterGuy18 Ultraviolet Troubleshooter

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    I used http http://2deseret.com/ personally, but it can be a bit of a pain sometimes.
    Oh sorry, didn't even know someone else did this.
    Edit; Turn out I did, I just forgot about it.
     
  16. KolyenuKS not a farmer I think

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    Map of the Union of Deseret, and it's neighbors.
     
  17. B_Munro Member

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    Mormons everywhere!

    Anyhoo, a map.

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    A map based on the "GURPS Infinite Worlds" manual game world Gallatin, in which an early death of Alexander Hamilton leads to the failure to ratify the Constitution and an early breakup of the USA. It is, I suspect, a spit-take on SF and AH writer L Neil Smith's "North American Confederacy" series, which takes a perhaps overly rosy view of the results of the US going hardline libertarian from almost the start. There is the name itself, with Albert Gallatin being seen as the founder of Libertarian-World in that setting (one of the novels being titled "The Gallatin Divergence") while the anarchic Ohio Association seems a callback to the Confederation itself, and the the authors certainly don't shy from making the results pretty darn dystopic, with the German Empire (1914 version, not 1940s, but nastier), the Japanese Empire, and the Soviet Union all existing right up to the "present" of 2004 (even name-checking Joe Stalin, never mind how unlikely it is that he still ends up running Russia in a world which diverges from ours in the 18th century).

    I have tried to avoid some of the more unlikely coincidences, so consider this something of a "cover" of the original.

    The world is divided into four major power blocks, although the fourth isn't exactly unified. There is the Japanese Empire, and it's integrated economic block, similar to the Empire and Greater East Asian co-prosperity Sphere of our world, but with six decades more of experience and brutal repression. There is the German block, centered in the German "system" for Europe, the Europaverein, a German Empire which in the absence of the US won the equivalent of the First World War and has absorbed it's crumbling Austrian sibling: German democracy, still pretty weak in our world's 1914, has been permanently stunted by the state of perpetual mobilization required to keep its dominance of Europe unchallenged. There is what I have chosen to call the Union of People's Syndicates, an anti-capitalist, collectivist dictatorship broadly similar to the USSR of OTL, if a bit less casually wasteful of its own human and material resources (it still killed millions of its own, but hey, not _tens_ of millions!). It allied to the Japanese in its "liberation" of Asia in an attempt to regain losses to the Germans and expand into the middle east while Japan was distracting Germany and the British.

    The Japanese somehow developed the atom bomb first (perhaps the Germans were complacent enough that the High Command didn't feel it necessary to follow up weird physicist's notions), and used it to nail down its victory in the east: they ignored Russian request for a joint invasion of India or some bombs to finish off the Germans, and the Russians were barely able to pull off an armistice well short of their ultimate objectives (The Japanese did make some vague threats to send bombs if the Germans didn't make peace, but they weren't very convincing). The Japanese "stab in the back" is still well remembered in Moscow.

    The fourth block consists of the British Commonwealth, which the British have managed to turn into a fairly democratic federation of nations, if still rather less integrated than the other great powers, and their allies, the North Americans, which in turn are a military alliance and free trade union of otherwise quite independent and opinionated nations. Texas, in this world the most populous and industrialized nation in North America, leads and has a formidable nuclear arsenal (probably more than is economically sensible, really) and the attitude of a first rank nation in spite of really not being much stronger than say, our worlds 2004 Germany if they went full militarist again. It is also a deeply racist nation which didn't give up slavery till the 1910s, and to this day maintains a form of Jim Crow oppression of its black population with the full weight of the state behind it.

    Nuclear weapons are also owned by California and the rump "United States" (five of them), but in numbers more in proportion to their actual importance. The USA is bustling and multiethnic, with a large Jewish minority, well-ordered and law-abiding, and is sometimes referred patronizingly by German tourists as like a "little Germany." California is nowadays essentially bilingual in Spanish and English, but remains racist towards Asians: understandably if regrettably, "Yellow Peril" fears have never really gone away. (Californian politicians often talk as if they could see Japanese Hawaii from their house). The Ohio Association, essentially a free rider on the Texan atomic umbrella, is an annoyance to everyone on the continent, due to the constant smuggling which takes place across its open, open borders, but has its friends in politics, especially those who bank there.

    As the world moves into the 21st century, the three great empires of Eurasia are looking a bit long in the tooth: the example of free African states in the British or (admittedly one each so far) Japanese and Syndicalist blocks is making the German position in Africa ever harder, and may Germans think the day may come when Africa is more a burden than a benefit (so far, German Africa overall returns a profit, thanks to an extremely effective (and brutal) resource and labor extraction process, but if the rebel situation gets out of control...) The Syndicalist economic system, if less insanely centralized than the Soviet one (with it's turf wars between the ministries of Tic-Tacs and Smarties) has been almost as bad at creating added-value products, and is suffering from virtual schizophrenia as different factions try to create either a "people's market" or computerized prosperity on the "red plenty" model. At least they haven't reached the "shooting food rioters" stage of things - yet.

    And then there's Japan, still trying to fully pacify China after six decades. In the 70s, much of western China became essentially ungovernable thanks to communist infiltrators and their local supporters: the Japanese withdrew east, taking with them everything they could truck away (down to the last can of Who-hash) and anyone fearing for their safety due to being collaborators or just too wealthy, but then radiologically, chemically, and biologically poisoned the area they had left, killing forty million Chinese (in just the short term: long term numbers remain hard to calculate) and declared their willingness to do the same to every inch of China rather than have it fall to the Reds. This nearly started WWIII, but it at least cowed resistance for a while.

    Now, rebellion is once again hotting up again as a new generation comes to the fore, the "military frontier zones" are a hell on Earth, and the Japanese government turns to ever more repressive and misogynistic methods to get the birth rate up. Everyone doubts the Japanese government has the guts to repeat their actions of 1974 (for one thing, they've put so much work into their puppet regimes), but if they do, will the Reds decide they will need to respond?
     
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  18. TrucKola Raccoon Emperor of Gaulish Brennusia

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    A patch for a connected Caspian Sea. Since it is 30 meters below sea level, I brought it up to a plausible level.

    I think geological TLs have some underrepresentation, so anyone looking for a geoTL for the Caspian, here you go.

    A reminder to everyone that Panama wasn't an isthmus 10 million years ago. Do your worst.
     
  19. Lord Hastur of Carcosa Unspeakable

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    Well, the Bosphorus was, as early as 8000 years ago.
    Rather than a sea, why not have an interconnected lake system, kinda like European Great Lakes
     
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  20. Bob Hope rarely online

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    So are we talking a secondary war with America at least co-operating with Germany?