Leaving them with just Saint Pierre and Miquelon does cross that line, thoughThe British leaving the French with such a tiny bit of their North American possessions comes close to adding insult to injury.
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"what about germany in the cold war?"
The United States of America would eventually mobilize late against the Japanese as well as the Japanese winning the battle of the coral sea. This results in the american focus in the pacific leading to a lesser amount of american volunteers and supplies to the Europeans. This causes D-Day to fail tremendously & same with a strong landing in Italy proper. With little pressure from the British the Germans were able to focus on the soviets, as they would be, the Germans, effectively overestimated and would be crushed. Hitler orders a nuclear missile to head towards both Minsk and Edinburgh forcing all sides to sign peace. Hitler would later be assassinated and Hermann Goring would be placed as Fuhrer.
This map takes place during 1965 commonly called the "Climax of the Hot Armistice" or "Winter War". Due to an earlier start on nukes, this leads to the birth of Arabic nukes. America would give Israel, in efforts to defend itself, nuclear weaponry. The same would go for the Iraqis with the soviets and the UAR with Germany. This of course ends in a nuclear war, causing a splinter in oil markets.
This is a WIP.
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The Comintern at the inauguration of President Anatoly Chubais, 4 April 2006.
A diagram from the textbook A Concise History of the Left (2nd Edition) showing the "Golden Tide".
Both images are from my TLIAW Bring Us Together or Tear Us Apart.
The Comintern at the inauguration of President Anatoly Chubais, 4 April 2006.
A diagram from the textbook A Concise History of the Left (2nd Edition) showing the "Golden Tide".
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This is crazy- I love itFear Nothing But God
Political Map of the World, 2019
There's certainly still some work and revision I'd like to do on this but map making is absolutely not my strong suit and I realised it had been more than a week since I'd made any real revisions so I've decided I'm going to say sod it and just upload the world map for Fear Nothing But God in its current form so here we are.
The world in 2019;
A few things need fixing, a few treaty ports are missing in India and I need to finish adding cities but for now; this is the shape of earth in the 21st century.
Fear Nothing But God:
i.The Great Revolution and the Fraternal Commonwealth
ii. The Irish Revolution and Founding Fathers
iii. World Map, 2019
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World map circa 1933 of my timeline Für immer Verbündete, where Britain becomes a central power. Check it out.
World map circa 1933 of my timeline Für immer Verbündete, where Britain becomes a central power. Check it out.
Seems like that the Sotho-Tswana unified and expenses where there is the least resistance into Botswana and Namibia,
Also yes, historically quilombos were inland, but a “gran” one can be really massive, if there was a large scale slave revolt over these regions say, around brazil’s Indépendance, something like 30%+ of brazil’s population would be slave in this region, more if you also include freedmen and lower class pardos, these would number above a million, and would be a true force to be reckoned with in Brazil, they would want - and have the mean - to have access to the coast for their economic survival
My only note is there is nothing like Padania. Italy is just fine for norther half of the peninsula, or if you want avoid OTL named you could go with Romagna and/or Etruria.Fear Nothing But God
Political Map of the World, 2019
There's certainly still some work and revision I'd like to do on this but map making is absolutely not my strong suit and I realised it had been more than a week since I'd made any real revisions so I've decided I'm going to say sod it and just upload the world map for Fear Nothing But God in its current form so here we are.
The world in 2019;
A few things need fixing, a few treaty ports are missing in India and I need to finish adding cities but for now; this is the shape of earth in the 21st century.
Fear Nothing But God:
i.The Great Revolution and the Fraternal Commonwealth
ii. The Irish Revolution and Founding Fathers
iii. World Map, 2019
Fear Nothing But God
Political Map of the World, 2019
There's certainly still some work and revision I'd like to do on this but map making is absolutely not my strong suit and I realised it had been more than a week since I'd made any real revisions so I've decided I'm going to say sod it and just upload the world map for Fear Nothing But God in its current form so here we are.
The world in 2019;
A few things need fixing, a few treaty ports are missing in India and I need to finish adding cities but for now; this is the shape of earth in the 21st century.
Fear Nothing But God:
i.The Great Revolution and the Fraternal Commonwealth
ii. The Irish Revolution and Founding Fathers
iii. World Map, 2019
Damn I'm really enjoying this. Had a read through the older entries, and this is great. Congrats!
The Islands of the Mad
“Of course, Behaviourism 'works'. So does torture. Give me a no-nonsense, down-to-earth behaviourist, a few drugs, and simple electrical appliances, and in six months I will have him reciting the Athanasian Creed in public.” – W H Auden
On first appearances, Thomas Malcolm Muggeridge is an unlikely candidate for the best-known literary dissident of the 20th century. The son of a prominent Labour MP and an enthusiastic Communist in his youth, he participated on the front lines of the Great Rising of 1926, and was rewarded for his loyalty with a junior position in the People’s Information Bureau (soon to be reformed into the Central Broadcasting Committee). What appeared to be a smooth rise through the public apparatus of the British Socialist Council Republic, however, was cut short in 1938 when he resigned rather than contribute to the suppression of information on the widespread famine caused by collectivisation of agriculture in the South-East and Midlands: forced into relative penury, he managed nonetheless to remain a free man until his close links to the (Eric Blair-edited) Tribune magazine ultimately marked him out as a target to the incoming Manny Shinwell government in 1943.
Muggeridge had picked a particularly poor time to be arrested. Just two years earlier, the controversial behavioural psychologist William Sargant, whose development of the diagnostic category of “social autism” (a psychological condition involving “excessive and morbid individuality” and a lack of “social consciousness”) had endeared him to the highest echelons of the British People’s Front, had been placed in charge of the Mental Hygiene Bureau, in whose eleven original “Mental Hygiene Facilities” in the Scottish Highlands dissidents diagnosed with social autism were “treated”. Sent to Balnahard, Muggeridge was subjected over the next twelve years to an intense regime of political re-education, electroconvulsive shock therapy, insulin shock therapy, and massive barbiturate dosing: he narrowly avoided a lobotomy due to a “paperwork error”, likely caused by a sympathetic psychiatrist.
By the time Muggeridge was released in 1955, the Mental Hygiene Bureau’s remit had increased significantly: large areas of the Highlands had been transferred to the direct control of the Bureau, where an estimated 50,000 dissidents were held. The Bureau’s increasing identification with Shinwell, however, was ultimately to prove its undoing – upon the enforced “retirement” of Shinwell in 1959 by the General Council of the British People’s Front, and the subsequent installation of Hugh Gaitskell as General Secretary, the Bureau’s powers were almost entirely removed, with William Sargant being arrested for fraud and malversation of public funds in 1960.
Prevented from all but the most menial of work by his Certificate of Rehabilition, Muggeridge took a position as night watchman in a warehouse: The Islands of the Mad, exposing the Mental Hygiene Bureau was written over the next three years and distributed underground as one of many “self-publications” in the British SCR until a copy was smuggled to the Republic of Ireland and subsequently published to universal acclaim in the Pacific States of America in 1970. Immediately propelled to international fame as a dissident, Muggeridge and his family were ultimately allowed to emigrate to the Pacific States in 1973: the recipient of the Nobel Prize of Literature in 1976, he took up a position in the English Faculty of San Francisco State University, dying in 1990.
“Of course, Behaviourism 'works'. So does torture. Give me a no-nonsense, down-to-earth behaviourist, a few drugs, and simple electrical appliances, and in six months I will have him reciting the Athanasian Creed in public.” – W H Auden
On first appearances, Thomas Malcolm Muggeridge is an unlikely candidate for the best-known literary dissident of the 20th century. The son of a prominent Labour MP and an enthusiastic Communist in his youth, he participated on the front lines of the Great Rising of 1926, and was rewarded for his loyalty with a junior position in the People’s Information Bureau (soon to be reformed into the Central Broadcasting Committee). What appeared to be a smooth rise through the public apparatus of the British Socialist Council Republic, however, was cut short in 1938 when he resigned rather than contribute to the suppression of information on the widespread famine caused by collectivisation of agriculture in the South-East and Midlands: forced into relative penury, he managed nonetheless to remain a free man until his close links to the (Eric Blair-edited) Tribune magazine ultimately marked him out as a target to the incoming Manny Shinwell government in 1943.
Muggeridge had picked a particularly poor time to be arrested. Just two years earlier, the controversial behavioural psychologist William Sargant, whose development of the diagnostic category of “social autism” (a psychological condition involving “excessive and morbid individuality” and a lack of “social consciousness”) had endeared him to the highest echelons of the British People’s Front, had been placed in charge of the Mental Hygiene Bureau, in whose eleven original “Mental Hygiene Facilities” in the Scottish Highlands dissidents diagnosed with social autism were “treated”. Sent to Balnahard, Muggeridge was subjected over the next twelve years to an intense regime of political re-education, electroconvulsive shock therapy, insulin shock therapy, and massive barbiturate dosing: he narrowly avoided a lobotomy due to a “paperwork error”, likely caused by a sympathetic psychiatrist.
By the time Muggeridge was released in 1955, the Mental Hygiene Bureau’s remit had increased significantly: large areas of the Highlands had been transferred to the direct control of the Bureau, where an estimated 50,000 dissidents were held. The Bureau’s increasing identification with Shinwell, however, was ultimately to prove its undoing – upon the enforced “retirement” of Shinwell in 1959 by the General Council of the British People’s Front, and the subsequent installation of Hugh Gaitskell as General Secretary, the Bureau’s powers were almost entirely removed, with William Sargant being arrested for fraud and malversation of public funds in 1960.
Prevented from all but the most menial of work by his Certificate of Rehabilition, Muggeridge took a position as night watchman in a warehouse: The Islands of the Mad, exposing the Mental Hygiene Bureau was written over the next three years and distributed underground as one of many “self-publications” in the British SCR until a copy was smuggled to the Republic of Ireland and subsequently published to universal acclaim in the Pacific States of America in 1970. Immediately propelled to international fame as a dissident, Muggeridge and his family were ultimately allowed to emigrate to the Pacific States in 1973: the recipient of the Nobel Prize of Literature in 1976, he took up a position in the English Faculty of San Francisco State University, dying in 1990.
West Dutch (German) League and Rhenish-Danubian Commonwealth. Both are slightly inaccurate English
Rumelia is an Ottoman successor state; the Empire had a better 18th and 19th century than OTL and practiced a more active colonisation policy in their European holdings and are able to convert large portions of the local population. Even though the Empire slowly lost their holdings in the east, their integration of Europe was successful enough that during the Ottoman Civil War of the mid-20th century, those European holdings became their final holdout. Rumelia is one of Europe's most powerful countries and one of the most powerful Muslim countries on earth (alongside Gurkanistan, Maghrebia and Egypt).
Anadolu is not dissimilar from the Turkey of OTL - a republican Turkish state with something of a higher greek and They succeeded from Rumelia in the mid-20th century and are a modern, secular, isolationist democracy. They generally keep to themselves, their only active foreign policy being a tense stance against Rumelia who still claim Western Anatolia as their own.
Yeah I need to fix that; League of Nine is a daft name I'm going to change anyway
Nondominions are sort of massive reserves, held in trust by the International Forum (Alt-UN but name pending) People not organised into nation states often live in these regions and both states and private companies are forbidden from resource extraction, colonisation or any non-approved visits. You can visit on Holiday or for scientific purposes, but the purpose of these Nondominions is two fold; to protect indigenous and uncontacted peoples (which is most important in the Amazon and Contraria) and to allow for the environmental protection of scarcey inhabited, ecologically notable regions.
Indeed they are! They're tied to the FC by pegging their currencies to the Shilling, sharing a military high command, a Supreme Court and coordinating foreign policy w/ shared embassies. There's no "Imperial Parliamanet", though they do each elect a trio of "Observer MPs" to the FC's Parliament. Their status isn't disimilar to that of the British dominions circa 1920 OTL.
Brazil was held together by a series of strong Emperors and did actually have more of the Amazon under its command but gave it up to IF/Nondominion control as a way to restore their international reputation following their rather late abolition of slavery (and also to have some debts forgiven).
Chuguo is indeed a Chinese colony, pursued slightly half heartedly by most of the Chinese leadership it nevertheless attracted large scale adoption by merchants and naive peasants. It secure it's independence peacefully in the late 19th century. Dongjogtang is actually a Korean colony and the biggest indicator of the power of the Korean Empire who remain a powerful force in east asia.
Novo-Porto is honeslty a similar naming to the Porto-Novo of OTL; when the portugese explored the region they founded an outpost, a local governor was reminded of the city of Porto based on the climate and architecture and the name catches on.
Glad you like the colonialism twist! It was very interesting and somewhat draining to research and write. Dutch Java's history is rather unpleasant, as one might expect, but reforms in recent decades have finally given locals the right to vote. It's most comparable to French Overseas Territories of OTL.
Gurkanistan isn't so bad! It's just a post-Mughal state, the name being an English bastardisation of the Mughal word for their own dynasty; Gurkani.
I'm really glad you're enjoying it! Once I'm at 8 or 10 posts I'm going to set up a proper graphics thread to keep it all in one place!
Very very accurate guesses on both fronts!
Glad you liked it! Different was exactly what I was going for
I do feel we get a bit convergent sometimes and I wanted each continent to have a unique historical story that still flowed logically from the PoD.Genetats are a post-revolutionary thing, established by Mississippi rather than France. As the name implies, it's a "People's State" (Gens Etat) and the states are all "Populist", an ideology which ITTL takes ideas from OTL's Socialism, Anarchism and Civic Nationalism. They really don't get on with the less collectivist and anti-nationalist Iroquois.
Greater SW Africa/Lefatshestswana is a creation of the conquests of the Tswana people in the 18th and 19th centuries, who the Albionic (British) and Dutch backed to try and curb growing Portugese and Kongolese influence. The Tswana rather got away from their European backers after a certain point and actually went to war with the Dutch
The Quillombo point is well taken but the capital of Gran Quillomba is OTL's Palmares which is ironically rather near the eastern coast. I suppose that the "Hinterland" is rather relative here; its inland from the major portugese cities but still miles off from the real interior. When Brazil itself rebels against Portugese rule, a slave revolt soon follows against both the ruling Brazillians and Portugal.
Yeah that's what I was going for in Africa; trying to simulate how pressures from different directions would change where people live and butterfly OTL tribal migrations. Saraland is probably the clearest example of this but the Yao, Zimba and Omuaro (OTL's Aro Confederacy) have all migrated at least a little from their homelands.
Also the basemap is a wikipedia one! I think it's this one but it's been a while since I grabbed it.
Glad to hear it!
More to come.
Thanks, that's a good shout. I was actually pretty unsure about Northern Italy; here they've been unified by republicans an attempt to perform a similar unification to OTL but failed to get the job done and only tied a portion of the north together. Those names might both be better choices and I'll make that change.
Thanks kindly, I hope you continue to enjoy the further stuff that comes out.
Brazil only really moved inland from the coast in the 1700s OTL, so that's not that surprising. (Palmares was suppressed in 1694). When did the revolt occur?
To be honest, Etruria is the name of Tuscany proper. And Romagna is the part of Emilia Romagna with Ravenna. But IMHO Romagna could be a good name.
I'm not, di per se, against Padania. But it doesn't exist in Italy geografical language, it was invented nearly 30ya from Lega Nord. The most close sounding name is Pianura Padana(that is the plain where the major norther cities lie).
You could also use something like Appenninic republic or something like Repubblica Alpino-Appenninica...
Just my thoughts.
There were the Cispadane and Transpadane Republics IOTL, so having something called Padania isn't entirely out of the question.
Alternatively, just call it "Italy".
Padana is not Padania (this is a point I want stress).There were the Cispadane and Transpadane Republics IOTL, so having something called Padania isn't entirely out of the question.
Alternatively, just call it "Italy".
In fact for me he simply should go with Italy, I'm only suggesting other non OTL names.
West Dutch (German) League and Rhenish-Danubian Commonwealth. Both are slightly inaccurate English
Indeed they are! They're tied to the FC by pegging their currencies to the Shilling, sharing a military high command, a Supreme Court and coordinating foreign policy w/ shared embassies. There's no "Imperial Parliamanet", though they do each elect a trio of "Observer MPs" to the FC's Parliament. Their status isn't disimilar to that of the British dominions circa 1920 OTL.
Chuguo is indeed a Chinese colony, pursued slightly half heartedly by most of the Chinese leadership it nevertheless attracted large scale adoption by merchants and naive peasants. It secure it's independence peacefully in the late 19th century. Dongjogtang is actually a Korean colony and the biggest indicator of the power of the Korean Empire who remain a powerful force in east asia.
Novo-Porto is honeslty a similar naming to the Porto-Novo of OTL; when the portugese explored the region they founded an outpost, a local governor was reminded of the city of Porto based on the climate and architecture and the name catches on.
Glad you like the colonialism twist! It was very interesting and somewhat draining to research and write. Dutch Java's history is rather unpleasant, as one might expect, but reforms in recent decades have finally given locals the right to vote. It's most comparable to French Overseas Territories of OTL.
Gurkanistan isn't so bad! It's just a post-Mughal state, the name being an English bastardisation of the Mughal word for their own dynasty; Gurkani.
I'm really glad you're enjoying it! Once I'm at 8 or 10 posts I'm going to set up a proper graphics thread to keep it all in one place!
Thanks kindly, I hope you continue to enjoy the further stuff that comes out.
Oh right, Gurkanistan, i thought it was going to be a Gurkha conquered north india lol, but it would have been Called Gurkhalistan then...
Still it's interesting that that the Mughal empire managed to reform apparently after the death of Aurangzeb if the Maratha managed to expend and assert themselves.
Yeah Entryway colonialism really just seems more economically sound than literally administrating hundreds of millions of people, and limiting their development, I mean i think the scramble for africa was kinda a historical fluke IRL, i'm (slowly) making a graphic timeline and i'm also making europeans stick at ports (but still wielding massive economic and political influence on the hinterland), certainly is fun to research and think about, very multicultural coastal huge cities, possibly surrounded by an even larger non-european-controlled urban area (like HK-Shenzhen).
Actually i wonder about the status of the small colonies that you've shown on your Albion and Eire infobox, on the map they are listed as Fraternal Commonwealth members, so are they full FC members like say, Virginia or are they Oversea holding of Albion and Eire, within the FC?
Thanks for the answer on Novo-porto, but my question was more about why did portugal go there?
Rather interesting that China had a direct colony, which implies it was somewhat powerful (or had a coherent, stable central government), which kinda goes contrary to the "rump" china which had to lease 4 different cities to european powers!
Good luck for your timeline, i really really loved your Daughters of Elysium TL (still crossing fingers for any further in-universe exploration someday) and you've got me totally onboard on this new one.
I'm so glad you were an Elysium fan! There have been about seven million attempts to write something else, current one that I'm likely to put out is another election night TL this time set in the alt-US which will then expand out to a more worldwide thing, which should help me flesh out the rather simplistic and occasionally daft world beyond Europe. I hope FNGB continues to entertain.
Oh I think I haven't been super clear; The Fraternal Commonwealth and Albion and Eire are the same thing, that's the name of that country not any international union. Those small territories are their direct overseas holdings whilst the other nations with (FC) underneath are effectively dominions of the FC; semi-independent states. They've got the FC tag to demonstrate that they're associated. Again, think early OTL Dominions (more 1880-1920 than 1945 era).
Ah I see! They had more of the east coast, a holding which was a useful base to shore up their colonies in Indonesia and gave them a pacific port (China/Huaxia, the FC and Dutch somewhat beat them too the easiest spots to gran) but Portugal territory to the Whenua (Maori) in a series of wars.
Yes! That's exactly what I love about the entryway colonialism, I think the cities themselves will be fascinating to write about; the fusions of cultures will be great.
China's history is a bit of a mess; the Qing had a very bad time very early on and were replaced with a new dynasty in the early 18th century who had a golden age of exploration, development and expansion (leading to Chunguo and a few other outposts) only to then crash hard to civil war in the mid 19th century, leading to the balkanisation and treaty ports. China is currency ruled as a sort of Bureaucratic Oligarchy by the Scholar-Officials and are pretty firmly recognised as a great power since the early 20 century.
Thanks kindly, I hope you continue to enjoy the further stuff that comes out.
If you keep working on it, you should probably make a thread I can put a watch on
I prefer to use it because it is a clear font, without any pesky antialiasing issues. I can't speak for the actual font used.
Do you want to make one from scratch? Or do you want a basemap? There's a thread for the Worlda maps if you need it.
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