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Indeed. So I might move Cuba to the 1890s.
America had no ability to project force in Texas, never mind California, in the 1810s either.
There's one key difference ITTL. The Catholics in Ireland manage to gain equality.
I think they had it to an extent. Yet still they desired Home Rule.
Considering that the UK was not in as bad of a shape as France after the War, I'm not too sure that would be the case.
You may just wind up with a Mutilated Victory feeling in France.
 
America had no ability to project force in Texas, never mind California, in the 1810s either.
Which again, is why I'm moving the takeover of Cuba back to the 1890s.
I think they had it to an extent. Yet still they desired Home Rule.
In that case, I might make the entire island Ireland.
You may just wind up with a Mutilated Victory feeling in France.
Godd point, which is why my next version will at least keep Lebanon French.
 
Yet another version of my alternate US for the time being. This time, with the US being closer to OTL. The French are also getting Lebanon.

Gran Columbia is still one nation, and Bolivia still has a coast line.

However, Russia and Japan seem to be getting into China.
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And here's the next part of the world in 1896: Libya and the Middle East

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Let’s start with the elephant in the room: the Terzi Dynasty. Over the past twenty years, the Terzi Dynasty has been significantly reduced. The official name for the Terzi Dynasty is the Turkish Empire, although with the Arabs of the Empire pushing for autonomy that name will change in a few years. In Libya, Turkish generals who supported Aslan over Terzi have attempted rebellions – some more successful than others. The eventual result was the collapse of Turkish rule in Libya.

This in turn has triggered the Scramble for Libya – European countries, specifically the Italies and France, have colonized parts of Libya: Venice has annexed Cyrenaica, the Two Scillies have annexed Tripolitania, France has annexed Tunisia and claims parts of Algeria, while Savoy has annexed Algeria and claims Tunisia. Three independent states remain: the Kingdom of Fezzan, the Kingdom of Morocco, and the Sultanate of Egypt. While Egypt looks set to remain independent, Venice and the Scillies have a plan to divide up the Kingdom of Fezzan and there is speculation that Portugal will try to bring Morocco into its sphere of influence. After all, Mauritania – not technically part of Libya, but not part of the Guinea either – is a Portuguese colony, and the Kingdom of Gibraltar is already under Portuguese control.

The Sultanate of Egypt has the largest population, economy, military, and land area of the Libyan states, and that largely comes from its control of the Nile river. While Transnilotic Egypt is a sparsely populated desert that, for the time being, the Egyptian government sees little value in, the Sinai Peninsula is far more valuable. The downside here is that while Egypt considers the peninsula to already be theirs, the Terzi Dynasty still considers the Sinai its own.

The Arabian Peninsula is slowly being unified: the Sultanate of Riyadh controls a large but sparsely populated area; the Emirate of Khafji has been consolidating the Arab lands north of the Sultanate of Riyadh and is planning to annex the Emirate of Amman next; and the other independent Arab states are the Emirate of Abu Dhabi, the Kingdom of Yemen, the Kingdom of Hejaz, and the Sultanate of Oman. The British Republic has set up the Presidency of Hadhramaut on the coast, while much of the north is still part of the Terzi Dynasty – with the exception of the Sultanate of Baghdad, which is instead a Persian satellite state.

Further north, several nations have achieved de facto independence from the Terzi Dynasty but are still officially part of the empire: the Lebanon, Alawa, Armenia, the Pontic Republic, Assyria, and Kurdistan, are all essentially independent. The Armenian Republic controls the two Armenia-majority areas of the Turkish Empire but also wants a corridor of land to actually connect the two areas to each other – right now, just existing is a logistical nightmare. The Pontic Republic – officially the Hellenic Republic of the Pontic Sea – also claims more land than it has, specifically the area around the Bosporous.

Further east, the Persian Empire has been expanding, gaining both territory and satellites. Their current concern is Russia, which already borders Persia in the Caucasus and has been slowly expanding its empire in the rest of Asia. In response, Persia has been expanding into Central Asia and either annexing the countries there or bringing them into its sphere of influence, although in the case of the Khanate of Khiva it looks like it will be divided between Russia and Persia. With the Dutch showing little interest in expanding their colonies in India, Persia’s not too worried about threats east of the Indus Valley at the moment, and to avoid a costly war has allowed Portugal to take part of Sindh for themselves. However, Persia has still made most of the Indus Valley’s states into its satellites and has plans to annex them.

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That's about it for now. I'm starting university soon so I'll be busy for a while​
 
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Here's a little quote to give some more context to some of my ideas...

"When I visited America immediately after the Great War, I developed an epiphany. That being one of the US being everything the British Empire could, and indeed should, be. A terrain of different cultures, races, and topographies. Each would have its own autonomous governments, but all would ultimately answer to the Queen. Further being linked together with shared values of Common Law, social contracts, and basic human rights. As such, it is time we applied these tropes that we have claimed to carry to the entire Empire, and allow the other colonies to have the same privileges as Canada, Australia, and New Zealand."

- Winston Churchill makes his case for converting at least India and Greater South Africa into semi-independent Commonwealths in the vein of Canada and Australia. June 3, 1934.
So many issues. For instance, why the Japanese would give up what they got without concessions (the threats no doubt made to them should be mentioned) and I don't see the Chinese welcoming the American and British officials coming to reorganize things. Nor would the domestic markets of those countries like having hundreds of milloin in cash poured into a competitor. Ahhh, and South Africa is not going to simply roll over and let the British give away what they saw as their war prize. It was part of why the British wouldn't have been able to give back the islands seized from Germany in the Pacific, as it would anger Australia and New Zealand. You also gave the Germans Walvis Bay and Ghana. You should have combined the French area with Togo if you wanted that for them. I also feel the British would build their rail road faster if they didn't have to go through German territory. Dear Selaam was not a minor port. I see you mentoined giving Ireland independence in a later post on here, but if so do it carefully. I mostly mention as you say here that Ireland was somehow completely subsumed into The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. I am unsure how much farther you could go. Now, if you did it with SCOTLAND and put them under the same legal system as the Welsh and English...
 
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A map made in-universe in my megamap (link in the signature) where a question was asked "what if Mitteleuropa united?" The kind of question RealLifeLore would ask for a 5 minute long video.
 
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Winston Churchill makes his case for converting at least India and Greater South Africa into semi-independent Commonwealths in the vein of Canada and Australia. June 3, 1934.
I hate to break it to you, but Winston Churchill was an outright racist who IOTL publically joked about the Bengal Famine, which his own War Cabinet had a large part in causing and which claimed upwards of three million lives, so this seems extraordinarily out of character for him.
 
I hate to break it to you, but Winston Churchill was an outright racist who IOTL publically joked about the Bengal Famine, which his own War Cabinet had a large part in causing and which claimed upwards of three million lives, so this seems extraordinarily out of character for him.
Well, it's a pre-1900 TL. So I suppose things can and will change.
 
Well, sure, but rather than making Churchill's character entirely different, I'd recommend just not having him ever be Prime Minister.
A large part of it depends one if I go through with having any major conflicts after The Great War (OTL's WW1). So I do believe that considering what I plan to do to the US, I may as well have him change his ways for the better.
 
I see there is a new island between Crete and Cyprus, but where did they dump the rest of the dirt from the Don-Volga Canal?
Calling it a canal is an insult to the engineering marvel that it is. That’s the Don Volga Straight. The rest of the dirt probably went to the Low Countries as a goodwill gesture. The Netherlands now has cliffs that make Dover envious, and the lowest point in the nation is 160 meters. The outlying islands are probably connected like this now:
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I'm trying something different. I've never seen people try to make a map of a world that is, while very different and definitely not perfect, a little bit better than OTL, so I'm taking a swing at it. I'm trying to flesh out Subsaharan Central Africa and India RN.

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mare nostrum

-neo-jacobin french alliance named "Système mondial"
-"Union of Socialist Majlis Republics"
-Neutral Hungary
-South Russia
-Allied Egypt (to the jacobites)
 

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And for the entire world. All 2000 seats in the UN Parliamentary Assembly. I am considering perhaps making some kind of timeline with this.
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