Map Thread XIV

[Noravea]

This is obviously a WIP, but this is one of the main settings of my upcoming fantasy series. It is a modern city-state based a mile off the coast of the Empire. An independent republic, it is in many ways a center of global economics and culture, and it has a population of around two million. Fairhaven was originally set up as a refuge for victims of the Steppe Peoples, who centuries before swept across the Empire and killed the entire ruling dynasty, and it gradually grew into an influential port city. A modern city with an airport, sprawling ports, suburbs, etc.., it is a place that is often thought of when one thinks of culture, fashion, and media.

I plan on eventually making a vector map of this city. The more grid-like portions of the city are more reminiscent of Manhattan, Boston, etc..., while the more fluid lines tend to be more hilly and are where the suburbs are located. The Port of Fairhaven (North) is also hilly.

 

[Dr.Kafka]

I thought I'd share another map I made; it's sort of a prequel to the one I made before. You can find a link to the post here, but I'll include the map (it's not very big) in this post as well.

So this acts sort of as a prequel to the previous map. It shows the divisions of Italy just after the WWII. I used a similar color scheme to try and link the maps together better, but I'm still trying to explore different options. Notably, in this map I opted to go with solid black borders, rather than the white and black borders.

The words are translated as follows:

"Occupation Zones in Italy"

Danubian
French
Soviet
International
American

And here is the previous map as well:

As I said before, I'm open to all sorts of critiques and questions.

 

[Samuel Von Straßburg]

As I said before, I'm open to all sorts of critiques and questions.

I like the idea behind the map.
My two questions are:
1, Why did you choose for no Oder-Neisse line, and there for what happened to East Prussia, isit part of Poland or an SSR?
2, Could you explain a bit more about the Danubian federation and how it came to be? Also would its capital be Bratislava/Pressburg/Prešpurk/Pozsony as it is a significant place for all the nations in the Donau area?

 

[Dr.Kafka]

I like the idea behind the map.
My two questions are:
1, Why did you choose for no Oder-Neisse line, and there for what happened to East Prussia, isit part of Poland or an SSR?
2, Could you explain a bit more about the Danubian federation and how it came to be? Also would its capital be Bratislava/Pressburg/Prešpurk/Pozsony as it is a significant place for all the nations in the Donau area?

To answer your first question, I think I have to answer your second question first. The Danubian Entente is simply a third alliance in Europe, separate from both the Warsaw Pact and NATO. Austria is radical socialist (it's run as a council republic), whereas the Czechoslovak government hates both the West and the Soviets (although the why is a little unclear here; I'm having difficulty puzzling out exactly how World War II still happens in a world where Germany couldn't manage the Anschluss, or at least couldn't manage it peacefully), but likes the Austrians well enough. Austria pursued an alliance with Czechoslovakia based on the 1933 manifesto of the Social Democratic Party, which urged pursuing closer relations with the other nations of the Danube. As such, the capitals of the respective countries in the alliance are the same; Czechoslovakia's is still Prague, and Austria's is still Vienna.

Despite the left-wing tendencies of Austria, it is far too independent and democratic for Moscow's taste. Thus, Germany ends up being bigger because the Soviet government wants a more powerful Germany to balance out against the unreliable Danubian Entente. If I redid the map, I might give Silesia to Poland, while still keeping West Prussia in the DDR. I'm still undecided on that point. East Prussia is still divided between Poland and the Soviet Union

 

[Pasglop]

yet another Paradox-inspired map (this time from a Texas Victoria II game)

The year is 1936. Starting poin of this map is that Texas never joins the US, but instead secures its alliance with them in a first time, to later turn on America to become a great power
although it might look like a "Good vs bad" situation, me have to remeber that the UN encompasses many facist and communist dictatorships, especially the backwards CFA, and that even in the very Socialist Texas, slavery was abolished only a decade ago. the Nat-Dem alliance is composed mostly of democracies (Texas, Egypt, UCA, Brazil...) but is also home to many Fascists, like Gran Colombia, Argentina or the slave-driven CFA. The BSU, asides from the Commonwealth of Workers, is a blatant hypocrisy, contaning some of the most hars absolute monarchies on Earth. The EUroblock might be more mellowed, but the arrogant attitude of Paris and Vienna towards the rest of the UN is starting to cool their relations.
On the other hand, whil most of the Monarchies are indeed absolute, two of them stand out as almost as democratic as Texas: the constitutionnal German Reich and the Kingdom of Spain, with its king largely a figurehead.

This world order emerged after the period of troubles following the Wold War of 1898-1905, with old enemise bonding together, liek Germany and Russia, on the basis of common ideologies, and old alliances dissolving (mainly between Texas and Spain). A cold war of sorts is starting, but without MDAs, it might very well erupt in an open World War 2

 

[Beedok]

1981
Moscow has a new plan on how to win the Word War. Space!

While Moscow alone can't easily outspend Washington (Eurasia is still pretty well even with the USSA despite stagnation and corruption in the latter it's not like Russia is free of corruption either and has an electorate to keep happy), but with improved relations through the E10 the newly minted 'Unified Space Cooperative' primarely backed by Russia, Brazil, and China has begun a series of impressive and expensive space missions. The current aim to a permanent space station by 1990 and a permanent lunar base by 1999. The USSA, facing humiliation over just barely missing the race to the moon, has focused heavily on competing. Unfortunately for the USSA space isn't the only front on the spending war.

The Nigerian War was spiralled out of control for the USSA. Cairo has decided funding extremists in Nigeria (as well as islamic moderates) is a way to bring them back under Cairo's control. The rest of the world is deeply shocked by the brutality of the fighting which has already seen 2 million refugees flee to Cameroon alone, and brutal suppression of partisan activities. With an increased focus on Africa the USSA has also made a number of non-Communist allies on the continent, having come to see loyalty as more useful that shared ideology after India and Iberia broke away. Still, some in the USSA's Black Homeland Republic have begun to paint these efforts as a new colonialism and an abandonment of the ideals of Communism, a move whice has led to anger from many White Americans.

Meanwhile France continues to inch towards returned independence which has led to many up and coming French politicians to make indignant noises over Brittany and Swiss territorial annexations. Efforts to improve relations with Germany are a primary objective, though bitterness over harsh rule during the 9 Years War lingers in western Germany. The Japanese meanwhile have seen a series of 'minor' attacks against USSA power (arson of empty buildings, political vandalism, etc.).

The insurrection in South Africa has blown into a fully fledge uprising, an issue which has the entire world nervous and trying to talk down Germany and India (the latter have recently acquired nuclear weapons, leading to fears of a potential nuclear exchange). Luckily for all Russian press covering the racism rampant in South Africa has turned much of the German public against continued support for the (pseudo)fascist state, with primarily German South West Africa's white population and the settler population in St. Johannes (previous Fort Sao Joao and the surrounding community of Ouidah) supporting the continued alliance with South Africa.

Lastly the health of Australia's aging Governor General (aka Dictator) William White, has come into question. White has run the country since 1954 after a slightly shakey post-war transition, and the Australian National Party's succession following White is a bit questionable. Many are hoping for democratic reform, especially as violence has broken out with communist partisans in the jungles of New Guinea.

 

[torten]

1981
Moscow has a new plan on how to win the Word War. Space!

While Moscow alone can't easily outspend Washington (Eurasia is still pretty well even with the USSA despite stagnation and corruption in the latter it's not like Russia is free of corruption either and has an electorate to keep happy), but with improved relations through the E10 the newly minted 'Unified Space Cooperative' primarely backed by Russia, Brazil, and China has begun a series of impressive and expensive space missions. The current aim to a permanent space station by 1990 and a permanent lunar base by 1999. The USSA, facing humiliation over just barely missing the race to the moon, has focused heavily on competing. Unfortunately for the USSA space isn't the only front on the spending war.

The Nigerian War was spiralled out of control for the USSA. Cairo has decided funding extremists in Nigeria (as well as islamic moderates) is a way to bring them back under Cairo's control. The rest of the world is deeply shocked by the brutality of the fighting which has already seen 2 million refugees flee to Cameroon alone, and brutal suppression of partisan activities. With an increased focus on Africa the USSA has also made a number of non-Communist allies on the continent, having come to see loyalty as more useful that shared ideology after India and Iberia broke away. Still, some in the USSA's Black Homeland Republic have begun to paint these efforts as a new colonialism and an abandonment of the ideals of Communism, a move whice has led to anger from many White Americans.

Meanwhile France continues to inch towards returned independence which has led to many up and coming French politicians to make indignant noises over Brittany and Swiss territorial annexations. Efforts to improve relations with Germany are a primary objective, though bitterness over harsh rule during the 9 Years War lingers in western Germany. The Japanese meanwhile have seen a series of 'minor' attacks against USSA power (arson of empty buildings, political vandalism, etc.).

The insurrection in South Africa has blown into a fully fledge uprising, an issue which has the entire world nervous and trying to talk down Germany and India (the latter have recently acquired nuclear weapons, leading to fears of a potential nuclear exchange). Luckily for all Russian press covering the racism rampant in South Africa has turned much of the German public against continued support for the (pseudo)fascist state, with primarily German South West Africa's white population and the settler population in St. Johannes (previous Fort Sao Joao and the surrounding community of Ouidah) supporting the continued alliance with South Africa.

Lastly the health of Australia's aging Governor General (aka Dictator) William White, has come into question. White has run the country since 1954 after a slightly shakey post-war transition, and the Australian National Party's succession following White is a bit questionable. Many are hoping for democratic reform, especially as violence has broken out with communist partisans in the jungles of New Guinea.

Love this map series. Two Questions - How is New Zealand doing, and what is the sitution with Sardinia and Corisca, they seem to be an independent country.

 

[Beedok]

Love this map series. Two Questions - How is New Zealand doing, and what is the sitution with Sardinia and Corisca, they seem to be an independent country.

New Zealand is pretty close to OTL, though with fewer ties to the anglosphere. Basically chugging along mostly alone in the pacific getting some trade from Asia.
Sardinia, Corsica, and the Balearics are all pretty popular tourist destinations with some questionable banking practices. Somewhere between OTL's Greece and a Caribbean Tax Haven.

 

[Tyche]

1981
Moscow has a new plan on how to win the Word War. Space!

While Moscow alone can't easily outspend Washington (Eurasia is still pretty well even with the USSA despite stagnation and corruption in the latter it's not like Russia is free of corruption either and has an electorate to keep happy), but with improved relations through the E10 the newly minted 'Unified Space Cooperative' primarely backed by Russia, Brazil, and China has begun a series of impressive and expensive space missions. The current aim to a permanent space station by 1990 and a permanent lunar base by 1999. The USSA, facing humiliation over just barely missing the race to the moon, has focused heavily on competing. Unfortunately for the USSA space isn't the only front on the spending war.

The Nigerian War was spiralled out of control for the USSA. Cairo has decided funding extremists in Nigeria (as well as islamic moderates) is a way to bring them back under Cairo's control. The rest of the world is deeply shocked by the brutality of the fighting which has already seen 2 million refugees flee to Cameroon alone, and brutal suppression of partisan activities. With an increased focus on Africa the USSA has also made a number of non-Communist allies on the continent, having come to see loyalty as more useful that shared ideology after India and Iberia broke away. Still, some in the USSA's Black Homeland Republic have begun to paint these efforts as a new colonialism and an abandonment of the ideals of Communism, a move whice has led to anger from many White Americans.

Meanwhile France continues to inch towards returned independence which has led to many up and coming French politicians to make indignant noises over Brittany and Swiss territorial annexations. Efforts to improve relations with Germany are a primary objective, though bitterness over harsh rule during the 9 Years War lingers in western Germany. The Japanese meanwhile have seen a series of 'minor' attacks against USSA power (arson of empty buildings, political vandalism, etc.).

The insurrection in South Africa has blown into a fully fledge uprising, an issue which has the entire world nervous and trying to talk down Germany and India (the latter have recently acquired nuclear weapons, leading to fears of a potential nuclear exchange). Luckily for all Russian press covering the racism rampant in South Africa has turned much of the German public against continued support for the (pseudo)fascist state, with primarily German South West Africa's white population and the settler population in St. Johannes (previous Fort Sao Joao and the surrounding community of Ouidah) supporting the continued alliance with South Africa.

Lastly the health of Australia's aging Governor General (aka Dictator) William White, has come into question. White has run the country since 1954 after a slightly shakey post-war transition, and the Australian National Party's succession following White is a bit questionable. Many are hoping for democratic reform, especially as violence has broken out with communist partisans in the jungles of New Guinea.

I've been loving following this series, but is that a Russian Tristan Da Cunha?

 

[Beedok]

I've been loving following this series, but is that a Russian Tristan Da Cunha?

Yes. London sold a bunch of her scattered little islands as part of her war debt. Russia was in the market for potential naval bases.

 

[Historyman 14]

So how things in Greece, Japan, Ireland, England, Brazil, China and France?

 

[Beedok]

So how things in Greece, Japan, Ireland, England, Brazil, China and France?

Greece: better than OTL, they avoid the issues around the civil war and having been under close scrutiny for the whole 'going Entente' thing democracy has been kept more accountable, and the Russians have set up a number of naval bases there.
Japan: honestly messy. The Russian bits are modernising (a little poorer than OTL, but doing alright), China is starting to trust them enough to make investments (noticeably less developped than OTL, much more rural), the USSA bits have slidden into mismanagement (lots of 50s era infrastructure when the USSA hoped the whole nation could be turned into a communist puppet, but since then it's been allowed to rot as military governors live like shoguns).
Ireland: Something like a better off Warsaw pact nation, the USSA really wants to hold on to it, even if they're unable to keep nukes there.
England: Pretty meh. OTL Eastern European living standards and a strong isolationist streak. The government is a democracy at least.
Brazil: Very nice thank you. Significant modernisation, a stable democratic government, and good ties to most of South America and Europe have led to pretty good living conditions. It's at solid middle of the road OTL Eastern Europe living standards and is improving nicely. Solidly developped.
China: Moderately better than OTL. Significantly freer, but democracy is still only semi-functional. Still quite rural, but with a definitely growing middle class.
France: Patchy. Two massive wars in as many generations effectively ruined their demographics. Huge numbers of young women married occupying soldiers, a fair number having moved back to the husband's lands, while others stayed to raise families in 'foreign quarters' which are often the richest parts of French cities. The ideas of 'true French' is rather popular with conservative rural elements for a nation where the post war generation has nearly 1 in 5 with a foreign father and 'their women' having been 'stolen'. The cosmopolitan 'mixed' populace are very supportive of joining the world again, and hold much of the wealth, but enough of the rest are against it that there remain questions about installing democracy in France (Moscow doesn't want another England and there's worries about ethnic conflicts against mixed families and pure immigrant families, these fears a exagerating the tensions though).

 

[Noravea]

Any questions or comments on my WIP?

 

[Leon Thotsky]

Greece: better than OTL, they avoid the issues around the civil war and having been under close scrutiny for the whole 'going Entente' thing democracy has been kept more accountable, and the Russians have set up a number of naval bases there.
Japan: honestly messy. The Russian bits are modernising (a little poorer than OTL, but doing alright), China is starting to trust them enough to make investments (noticeably less developped than OTL, much more rural), the USSA bits have slidden into mismanagement (lots of 50s era infrastructure when the USSA hoped the whole nation could be turned into a communist puppet, but since then it's been allowed to rot as military governors live like shoguns).
Ireland: Something like a better off Warsaw pact nation, the USSA really wants to hold on to it, even if they're unable to keep nukes there.
England: Pretty meh. OTL Eastern European living standards and a strong isolationist streak. The government is a democracy at least.
Brazil: Very nice thank you. Significant modernisation, a stable democratic government, and good ties to most of South America and Europe have led to pretty good living conditions. It's at solid middle of the road OTL Eastern Europe living standards and is improving nicely. Solidly developped.
China: Moderately better than OTL. Significantly freer, but democracy is still only semi-functional. Still quite rural, but with a definitely growing middle class.
France: Patchy. Two massive wars in as many generations effectively ruined their demographics. Huge numbers of young women married occupying soldiers, a fair number having moved back to the husband's lands, while others stayed to raise families in 'foreign quarters' which are often the richest parts of French cities. The ideas of 'true French' is rather popular with conservative rural elements for a nation where the post war generation has nearly 1 in 5 with a foreign father and 'their women' having been 'stolen'. The cosmopolitan 'mixed' populace are very supportive of joining the world again, and hold much of the wealth, but enough of the rest are against it that there remain questions about installing democracy in France (Moscow doesn't want another England and there's worries about ethnic conflicts against mixed families and pure immigrant families, these fears a exagerating the tensions though).

How are things in Italy?

 

[Beedok]

How are things in Italy?

Similar enough to OTL, apart from an ongoing bitterness over the nuking of Rome which saw Naples and Milan sort of split the country at the two main hubs (about a million people who would have lived in Rome OTL are in Naples instead and the south saw less fighting than the North so that's added to Naples as well), but any actual separatism plans are probably a bit weaker than OTL. With a (mostly) richer Med Italy has more trade options, which has mostly balanced getting beaten up a bit worse in the war.

Any questions or comments on my WIP?

Could use a bit more colour.

 

[Noravea]

Yep. I plan on making a color-coded vector map.

 

[torten]

England: Pretty meh. OTL Eastern European living standards and a strong isolationist streak. The government is a democracy at least.

How are inter-British relations? How are Wales and Scotland doing? Is their talk of a federation of all three states?

 

[Ryan]

England: Pretty meh. OTL Eastern European living standards and a strong isolationist streak. The government is a democracy at least.

the Anglo-Scottish border looks quite southerly, won't that be leaving quite a few Englanders in Scotland to cause problems later on?

 

[Beedok]

How are inter-British relations? How are Wales and Scotland doing? Is their talk of a federation of all three states?

Wales is a bit small as a nation, and Europe is moving away from coal, so their economy isn't great, they get a lot of loans to keep from going Red, but things aren't super accountable (there's also questions about the strong pro-German lean these days, but German business has a very strong presence). Scotland is doing nicely enough though, with decent amounts of oil, Russian investment, and a successful IT sector. Wales and Scotland have been working on closer relations, but England only wants Welsh coal (they've got pretty iffy environmental regulations).

the Anglo-Scottish border looks quite southerly, won't that be leaving quite a few Englanders in Scotland to cause problems later on?

There's a fair number of English in the border region, but Scots are a definite majority in the whole country. Basically the border areas just make the occasional threat to secede unless they get X (usually some quick cash or infrastructure investments).

 

[Zanzibar]

First off cool map. Nice to see more Warhammer Fantasy


Is Ulthuan that close to Naggoroth? I thought it was closer to the old world.

Also is the sea between the old world and Arabby that big?

I was using this as a base map. It might have become distorted some with the projection in some places, but it should be fairly accurate.