Map Thread XIV
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Is that an Islamic Italy I see?
I like how San Marino has survived all of this crap happening all around it. I'm surprised that, say, the USSA hasn't messed around in there to increase their clout.
Speaking of the USSA, what is life like in the Afro-American region in the Bible Belt? is it like "don't lynch my family and I won't lynch yours and we'll all go to underground church together" or is there some sort of segregation one way or another.
Italy is part of the Latin League for Democracy, which started as Brazil's effort to get South America on their side and grabbed a few European Catholic states who didn't like the whole 'Nuke Rome' thing (even if the Vatican was outside the blast radius).
San Marino was semi-occupied by Brazil for a bit, and before that was semi-occupied by Italy as Padania was invaded, but has mostly just chilled and built a slighlt questionable banking system that gets a lot of Sicilian customers.
The USSA has a really haphazard regulation on religion, but lynching has been mostly eliminated. Heavy handed top down regulations managed to deal with public things like lynching, and setting the Blacks up as government in much of the south also helped, though back alley murders and the like have been happening for a while. It was mostly personal distrust (some of which was reasonable, the new Black authorities did get a little revenge happy during the revolution and the Nine Years war), and that's grown worst following the new waves of paranoia and resentment over Birmingham.
The best attempt I've found at mapping HDM can be found here: http://onehellofabird.deviantart.com/art/His-Dark-Materials-map-392805070
As a disclaimer, the author does take some artistic liberties.
That's an excellent map (probably better than mine at any rate), but I'm going for more of a "balance of power about to crash down around everyone's ears" type of scenario.
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Greek Gods, as their architecture were based in the Ptolemaic Era so Pluto, Neptune, Mars etc.
Yeah, thats what I'm planning, a growing city with 1 year apart. Maybe like a timeline
Yeah, adding new stuff like entertainment, staple agriculture and more.
The Golden Compass/Northern Lights? Because the only timeline I ever recall that has Svalbard as a country is the one with armoured sentient polar bears. :V
EDIT: Never mind. I didn't realize you already know. Dunno if it's from the film or book, though.
Isaac Beach
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Soooo, how's Afghanistan trucking along? I'm always curious as to them.
Also. What's the big second language most people would be learning ITTL? In OTL it's frankly English as it's the most useful and common language in a range of developed nations, thus giving a lot of opportunity to it's exercise. Or is the concept of one language useful across most continents a bit foreign given the greater diversity in global power?
Oh and does the Chinese form of democracy deviate at all from our definition of it? Come to think of it does Brazil's or Siam's? I know it obviously wouldn't be identical but are there any big differences that are noteworthy?
Emperor RyRy
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You know what would be nice? If just once we thought that the big Pacific empire was a Japanese empire, but instead it's California! I mean, just a thought.
Is Portuguese like a common language in Italy?
Why wasn't it annexed into Italy during the Occupation?
So by now the regions would be pretty mixed due to there being fewer segreative measures, or are there still racial lines?
Whatever happened to the churches down there then?
Emperor RyRy
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Oh fuck.
Still, California would be nice one time.
Maybe I should just do it myself.
Afghanistan still has some issues, but they continue to modernise in most parts of the country. The border region towards the subcontinent and the rather empty south have some infrastructure deficit issues and serious banditry problems, but for the most part they're seeing kind of Lebanon-ish living standards.
Also. What's the big second language most people would be learning ITTL? In OTL it's frankly English as it's the most useful and common language in a range of developed nations, thus giving a lot of opportunity to it's exercise. Or is the concept of one language useful across most continents a bit foreign given the greater diversity in global power?[/QUOTE]
It does depend where you are. In USSA aligned communist nations it's English for sure. In South America most folks are bilingual in Spanish and Portuguese, while a good chunk of Italians are bilingual in Italian and Portuguese (though German and Russian are both fairly common second languages too). Lots of Croatias know either Portuguese or Russian. The Iberians meanwhile have tried to push a standardised mix of Castillian, Spanish, and Portuguese which has pulled those three languages closer but not quite united them (the Basque are actually the best at the 'Iberian' language as they view it as a fully separate 2nd language to learn not a weird set of vocabulary to add to their own language). Still, the most common second language to learn is Russian, as most of Eastern Europe and much of the Middle East has been closely tied to Moscow these regions first learned it and as these regions have grown richer other areas (such as Germany, France, or China) has seen increasing use of Russian. It's not nearly as dominantas OTL's English, but it's getting there.
China has a sort of spotty democracy. There's voter suppression issues, parties not part of the ruling coalition (which labels itself a 'post partisan consensus' and is more a corrupt power grab) often find themselves disproportionately charged with corruption scandals and the like, but for the average person it's kind of like a richer part of OTL's Indian or a less oppressive version of OTL's South Korea after Park Chung-hee slid into full 'emergency powers' mode. Brazil has by this point built a rather functional democracy, and like their allies in the Latin Democracy League is very big on getting everyone involved so has mandatory voting and ranked ballots. This has led to a lot of centrist or mildly populist governments. Siam is a little less stable, there's still a significant divide between Greater Bangkok (and a few other areas like the Malay Peninsula and a couple larger inland cities) and the rest of the country for living standards which leads to a quite polarised political landscape between rural populists and urban free-trade conservatives (shoes get thrown in the parliament from time to time, and more rarely punches), but elections are mostly fair and represent what the population wants. Also the squabbling has led to a lot of Monarchism as the King is seen as above the mess.
Similar reasons to OTL I would guess, it's not really worth annexing. It's a hill with a town on it.
There's very strong racial lines, one thing that let the USSA push through equality earlier than OTL was a strong position of 'Separate, but Equal', and it's remained that way. So while there's greater equality across races there's probably more separation than OTL, and with all the paranoia going around that's led to lots of distrust.
Most are still around, they are taxed however and so are pretty prone to downplaying their attendence levels, and since it's seen as 'backwards' to attend a church most services are done either very early or very late and most people insist they totally don't go. Some folks have debated the use of masks as a second level of precaution, but considering the religious zeal of the KKK and their traitorous actions during the 9 Years War (and earlier in the revolution) people are weary of anything that could be seen as like them. That would really risk being taken in by the Secret Service (which has expanded to be a national Secret Police and really has little direct continuity with the previous Service, the name just sounded cool).
JOAC stands for Join Occupation and claim, this has been around since the TTL civil war when the winners C.A.S., California, Texas with some British/Canadian support could not divide the U.S.A.'s territory well
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